The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
. One can say the same to you when trump wins and we are all fucked.

There is true irony in that statement ...... @Gunky and others felt that Bernie had no shot of getting anything done if he were elected. The irony is the one thing he could have gotten done that HRC may not .... is winning the election itself.:doh:
 

grokit

well-worn member
Bernie was quite successful as the mayor of burlington,
which launched his distinguished political career.
Like drumpf, killary has zero elected executive experience.
But unless she drops out, she's the only thing that can stop the monster.
I'm not sure she's up to it.

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Gunky

Well-Known Member
There is true irony in that statement ...... @Gunky and others felt that Bernie had no shot of getting anything done if he were elected. The irony is the one thing he could have gotten done that HRC may not .... is winning the election itself.:doh:
Totally disagree. He is the one thing that would allow Trump to squeak through. So glad we didn't go there.
 

Gunky

Well-Known Member
Bernie was quite successful as the mayor of burlington,
which launched his distinguished political career.
Like drumpf, killary has zero elected executive experience.
But unless she drops out, she's the only thing that can stop the monster.
I'm not sure she's up to it.

:myday:
Actually even in Burlington he stiffed the dems. He started making enemies way back then.
 
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Joel W.

Deplorable Basement Dweller
Accessory Maker
The sad thing is when she does win you won't give her credit.
. If she gets elected, she will deserve it and you, her. However, If she would have listened to Powell's advice to just come clean in 2012, this would all have gone away.

She chose another path, at great cost to all imo.

Now, everything she says comes back on her as dishonest. Drip, drip and drip.
 

Gunky

Well-Known Member
The primary was not rigged. There is absolutely zero evidence that it was rigged. Saying it was rigged is part of Trump's post-truth world. Go ahead, lie about it if you wish. It won't help. The fact that you are saying this shit indicates Putin has won a round.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
IMO Bernie had that enthusiasm amongst his supporters. I truly believe that Bernie would have been the better choice. He had won several states. We all have an opinion and I think he would have had a better chance just because he is the more honest person. He is change and that's what the people all looking for.

I'm so surprised that Hillary isn't doing better? It should be almost a landslide with Trump being so crazy and saying the most stupid things. He is unbelievable what he is able to say and get away with.

I'm hoping that the democrats can win against Trump. With Trump being such a polarizing person and Hillary is more of the same type of policies that folks are tired of. Bernie would have been a breath of fresh air. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten everything he was hoping to get. That would have been OK too.
 
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Joel W.

Deplorable Basement Dweller
Accessory Maker
Ohh please.. the Dems were screaming it was rigged long before trump said it.

Look at the emails that discuss it. Look at the whistleblower that is talking about it. Look at Nevada and North Carolina primary's. :disgust:
 

Gunky

Well-Known Member
IMO Bernie had that enthusiasm amongst his supporters. I truly believe that Bernie would have been the better choice. He had won several states. We all have an opinion and I think he would have had a better chance just because he is the more honest person. He is change and that's what the people all looking for.

I'm so surprised that Hillary isn't doing better? It should be almost a landslide with Trump being so crazy and saying the most stupid things. He is unbelievable what he is able to say and get away with.

I'm hoping that the democrats can win against Trump. With Trump being such a polarizing person and Hillary is more of the same type of policies that folks are tired of. Bernie would have been a breath of fresh air. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten everything he was hoping to get. That would have been OK too.
Wait a minute, you mean the same types of policies that increased wages by 5% last year? Those old hat policies that pulled us out of the Great Recession in better shape than vritually any other major country? Please, let us have more of those "same type of policies that folks are tired of". But this time let us have a senate and house that will allow us to go further with those same policies that have been so successful in spite of such determined opposition. These would be the policies of the same Obama you gave a blank check to a page or two back. Now it's away with Obama? Our problem was not Obama / democratic policies; our problem has been congress dominated by repubs and dedicated to stalemate.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I do like Obama and still do. I said people are tired of some of the same policies is all. I said people, I'm generalizing. People as a whole group not just talking about myself. I'm talking about the American people want a change in some of the policies including big business and how much money is spent on elections. Also how folks get their money when running for office.

I'm really sorry that the DNC fucked up with having Debbie Wasserman Schultz as their chairman. She was bias from the get go. I could see it.

I will be voting for a democrat and it will be Hillary unless something changes. We just need some enthusiasm within the democrats.

Bernie hasn't been campaigning much for Hillary. I though he would be working up his base of supporters. Some of his supporterrs won't be voting or are going elsewhere. We need all his support. Maybe it has something to do with the lawsuit I as above.

There is just so much at stake, I fear a Trump presidency. This has nothing to do with loyalty, this has to do with the democrats winning against Trump. Hillary is the only one to vote for IMO. Gary Johnson isn't going to win. You vote your choice whatever it might be.

Edit - but not Trump for Christ sakes.
 
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Msek

Well-Known Member
In democracy your vote counts. In feudalism your count votes.

My WA US house Rep's (noble Count's) response upon our Democratic caucus choosing Bernie at 73% was to inform us (his constituents/serfs) that his allegiance belonged to the Queen and her multi national CEO overlords, and thus would be nullifying all of our votes with his singular vote at the national convention.

I'm pulling the lever for Trump, because fuck you.

In history there have been benevolent rulers, and socialism sounds great, could even be wonderful, but after the government takes over the countries assets sooner or later a strong man will rise to power, and then the populace is screwed. I did not really care for any of our choices, our two party system makes that a default for may voters. I did perceive Bernie as the one who cared about his fellow citizens the most. Trump or Bernie would be held in check by the other two branches of our government, while the Hillary machine is in a position to ride rough shod implementing their will. After Hillary, you come last.

I still hope for a return to a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
 
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Nooky72

Dog Marley
This idiot will be handing out skittles next, you watch.

This little girl is terrified.
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His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
@Gunky - You're not having much luck convincing us that there was no wrong doing where Bernie was concerned. Maybe you'll have better luck trying to convince the New York Times to print a retraction for the following. Pretty sure a political animal like Wasserman-Schultz didn't resign because she and the DNC weren't complicit.

"Democrats arrived at their nominating convention under a cloud of discord as Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the DNC, abruptly said she was resigning after a trove of leaked emails showed party officials conspiring to sabotage the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-wikileaks-emails.html
 

Gunky

Well-Known Member
Ohh please.. the Dems were screaming it was rigged long before trump said it.

Look at the emails that discuss it. Look at the whistleblower that is talking about it. Look at Nevada and North Carolina primary's. :disgust:
Yah, except there is absolutely nothing there. Bernie is suing over some minor matter involving his campaign's theft of data from the Clinton campaign. Yeah that's right they accessed Clinton data and perhaps downloaded masses of data. Then the DNC penalized them by cutting their access to DNC managed data, temporarily. Never mind all the minutiae and byzantine twists of this story - it's a dumb sideshow and sour grapes trying to conceal a popular vote loss by millions of votes. We've been over this a few times now. Nevada, North Carolina - bullshit! Not rigged and you know it. Washington - Bernie got lucky.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Trump Foundation starts to look like a slush fund
09/20/16 12:35 PM—Updated 09/20/16 01:03 PM
By Steve Benen

Just when it seemed the controversy surrounding the Donald J. Trump Foundation couldn’t get any worse, the Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold published new revelations this morning that, if true, suggest serious wrongdoing.

Donald Trump spent more than a quarter-million dollars from his charitable foundation to settle lawsuits that involved the billionaire’s for-profit businesses, according to interviews and a review of legal documents.

Those cases, which together used $258,000 from Trump’s charity, were among four newly documented expenditures in which Trump may have violated laws against “self-dealing” – which prohibit nonprofit leaders from using charity money to benefit themselves or their businesses.​

This is hardly the first controversy surrounding Trump’s charitable foundation, but it may be the most damaging for one straightforward reason: it doesn’t require a lot of explanation.

As Josh Barro put it, the summary fits in a sentence: “Donald Trump took money other people gave his charity and used it to pay his businesses’ fines.”

Not to put too fine a point on this, but what’s being described here sounds an awful lot like a slush fund.

The issue of “self-dealing” came up a bit last week, when we learned that Trump allegedly used foundation money to buy a giant portrait of himself, which was apparently then sent to one of Trump’s golf resorts. As Fahrenthold explained, “If Trump did not give the painting to a charity – or find a way to use it for charitable purposes – he may have violated IRS rules against ‘self-dealing,’ which prohibit nonprofit leaders from spending charity money on themselves.”

But today’s story takes the issue quite a bit further, raising the possibility that Trump routinely used foundation money – funds that often came from other people, intended for charitable purposes – to pay off settlements when his business enterprises faced lawsuits.

The obvious question, of course, is whether or not it was legal for Trump to use charitable money to pay off legal settlements from for-profit businesses. The Post’s report said Trump’s alleged practices “may have violated U.S. tax law and gone against the moral conventions of philanthropy.”

“I represent 700 nonprofits a year, and I’ve never encountered anything so brazen,” said Jeffrey Tenenbaum, who advises charities at the Venable law firm in Washington. After The Post described the details of these Trump Foundation gifts, Tenenbaum described them as “really shocking.”

“If he’s using other people’s money – run through his foundation – to satisfy his personal obligations, then that’s about as blatant an example of self-dealing [as] I’ve seen in a while,” Tenenbaum said.​

For much of the political media, there’s a sense that the Clinton Foundation is a real controversy, despite the fact that there’s no evidence of actual wrongdoing. As it turns out, it’s her rival who has the real scandal.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Trump’s Narrow Path to Victory
by Martin Longman
September 20, 2016 10:52 AM

I’m going to put two things side by side here so you can contemplate them in tandem. First, there’s the memo that Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager Robby Mook sent out “to donors, supporters and top volunteers” yesterday.

“Here’s the story that no poll can tell: Hillary Clinton has many paths to 270 electoral votes, while Donald Trump has very few. Hillary is nearly certain to win 16 ‘blue’ states, including Washington D.C., which will garner her 191 electoral votes. If we add the five states that FiveThirtyEight.com gives Hillary a 70% or greater chance of winning (Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin), Hillary only needs 10 more electoral votes.”

“Mook then runs down the possibilities for Clinton to win the remaining 10 electoral votes: taking Florida’s 29 electoral votes, North Carolina’s 15, Ohio’s 18, or any two of Colorado, New Hampshire, Iowa, or Nevada.”​

I’ll get into those scenarios in a moment, but the math is correct.

Next up is an excerpt from a Sean Trende piece for RealClearPolitics.

“To be sure, Clinton did not want the polls to tighten. At the same time, this was a particularly awful series of news cycles for her, while Trump had managed to go over a month without reprising some of his more polarizing statements, such as his flap with the Khan family, who lost a son in Iraq. We would expect a big swing in the polls, and there was one.”

“But it did not put Trump over the top. A week in, she still leads by 0.7 points in the four-way RCP average, and 0.9 points in the two-way average. She maintains a lead in the Electoral College, and while North Carolina and Nevada appear to be close, her lead in the next-most-Republican state, Virginia (which would put Trump over the 270 mark), is 3.5 points.”

“In other words, a truly terrible news cycle was still not enough to put Trump ahead. In a strange way, that’s good news for Clinton.”

As Mook pointed out, Virginia would be nice for Trump but he can theoretically win without it. It looks like the most likely path is to win in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Nevada. That’ll do it if he can also win either Colorado or New Hampshire.

The bad news for Clinton is that Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight currently has Trump ahead in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Nevada. The bad news for Trump is that Silver is giving Clinton a 63% chance of winning New Hampshire and a 64% chance of winning Colorado.

But, that’s not much of a margin.

Clinton did get modestly encouraging news out of the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll that was released this morning. After shifting to a likely voter screen (since some absentee ballots have already been cast), the survey finds her winning both the two-way race (50%-45%) and the four-way race (45%-40%) by five points. They also find that 56% of voters think she will win compared to only 39% who think Trump will win. As the Los Angeles Times reports, when the election is still a way off, looking at who people expect to win is a comparatively good predictor of who will actually win. Of course, the Los Angeles Times poll is a very-bullish-for-Trump outlier and has been through this whole cycle. They have an unusual methodology that tracks the same 3,000 voters over time and pays a lot of attention to their relative motivation to vote.

Trump’s lead in the Daybreak poll rests in part on support from disaffected, conservative white voters who did not vote in 2012, but say they plan to vote this time. A belief that Trump can win might help motivate those voters to the polls, and his campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, repeatedly has trumpeted the “momentum” on her side.

Overall, however, the Daybreak poll indicates that Clinton probably has the most to gain from expanded turnout. Trump has led among poll respondents who say they are most sure of their decision and most certain to vote. Clinton led until the last week among the larger universe that includes potential voters who are somewhat uncertain about their choice or their likelihood of casting a ballot.

In other words, the L.A. Times poll simply doesn’t believe that Clinton’s voters will turn out, but the perception that she might lose will help her more than it will help Trump.

Intuitively, I think that Clinton does have a little buffer that could save her in the end as people who are considering sitting it out or voting for a protest candidate or voting for Trump as a big middle finger to the Establishment find that they ultimately aren’t prepared to risk an actual Trump presidency.

But this election is now close enough that Trump winning is not a longshot anymore. I wouldn’t bet any money on him, but I wouldn’t have bet any money on the Rams beating the Seahawks on Sunday, either.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Obama: Tolerance, Democracy and Justice Are on the Ballot
by Nancy LeTourneau
September 20, 2016 1:11 PM

Regardless of what you think about President Obama, I suspect that the one thing we can all agree on is that he is not prone to hyperbole. As a matter of fact, over his two terms in office, this President’s critics on the left have often accused him of using rhetoric that is too soft in describing his opponents.

That is why it behooves us to take a moment to think about some of the things he said during his remarks at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s annual dinner.

If you care about our legacy, realize everything we stand for is at stake. All the progress we’ve made is at stake in this election. My name may not be on the ballot, but our progress is on the ballot. Tolerance is on the ballot. Democracy is on the ballot. Justice is on the ballot.​

Those are incredibly strong words for Obama to use. You can rest assured that he doesn’t do so carelessly, or simply to rev up the crowd in the room. He has never done that before and he’s not about to start now.

What has Obama seen that leads him to make such claims?

Tolerance is on the ballot when a candidate for president calls Mexicans rapists, when he wants to ban immigrants based on their religion, when he disparages a federal judge based on his Mexican heritage and a gold star family because they are Muslim.

Democracy is on the ballot when a candidate for president describes “midnight in America” and says, “I alone can fix it.” The same one who, when talking about his plan for defeating ISIS says, “I will give you good results. Don’t worry how I get there, okay?” And the guy who heaps praise on dictators like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un.

Justice is on the ballot when a candidate for president responds to police shootings of unarmed Black men with, “We need to give the police more power.” The same one who dog whistles about being a “law and order” president. And the guy who bemoans the fact that, in this country, even a man who plants explosive devices will get his day in court and, when in prison, be fed and given medical care.

Elections are almost always filled with hyperbole. But President Obama isn’t kidding around and he certainly isn’t overstating his case. When – of all people – he’s the one saying that tolerance, democracy and justice are on the ballot this time, you can take that one to the bank.
 
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