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Yet another VapCap Induction Heater... Using a $2 Wood Box

Discussion in 'DIY' started by MasonJar, Dec 23, 2018.

  1. MasonJar

    MasonJar Well-Known Member

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    I have been lurking for a couple weeks here mainly looking at the threads about DIY Induction Heaters. I finally decided to build one after getting my hands on a $2 wood box I found on the local Dollarama store.

    First of all, thanks to @Pipes for posting lots of info and pics in his Induction Heater thread. I was also able to get ideas/schematics from the /r/vaporents and /r/dynavap subreddits.

    Here is the schematic I followed which was posted on the /u/kent1146 at the /r/vaporents subreddit:
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    The parts... The wood box was from dollarama. Most of the electronics parts excluding the fuse and the fuse holder were from Amazon. The fuse and holder are from a local electronic store. I am using a 15A 30V fuse... I might downgrade this to 12A fuse when I find the time to drop by the electronic store one of these days. I believe 12A is probably the max draw when heating the vapcap.
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    IH in action...

    I decided to use two switches... One toggle switch to activate the Lipo battery and a Momentary switch to activate the IH Circuit.

    The front panel LED lights up when the toggle switch is turned on on the front panel...
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    The top panel LED lights up when the momentary switch is depressed...
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    I must say using this IH is much more convenient than using a torch to heat up the VapCap. It takes anywhere from 6 to 8 seconds to hear the clicks.

    One enhancement I can think of right now is a magnet on the top panel to hold the vapcap. Another is to replace the black panel on top with acrylic so the internals are visible. There are also LED lights that turn on the FET switcher and the IM board when activated.

    Soldering the parts together... My other hobbies require soldering too so I am pretty good at it :)
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    Completed Dollarama IH...
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    I am using an 3S 850MAH 45C Lipo RC battery with an XT30 connector... However I have a bunch of other 3S Lipos with different connectors that I use on my RC Helicopters so I also built an XT30 to Deans/XT60/EC3 adapter so I can power the IH with these Lipos...
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  2. I'm Ron Burgundy?

    I'm Ron Burgundy? I love vape

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    None of your images are showing.
     
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  3. Hackerman

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    Is that a hair tie closure device? LOL

    Very nice. How about a shot of the inside.
     
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  4. MasonJar

    MasonJar Well-Known Member

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    You probably have Adblock turned on... In any case I posted the pictures in an imgur album... Here is the link to the album: https://imgur.com/a/J9webrH

    EDIT: I found the problem with the pics... Hopefully you can see them now.

    Yes it is lol... I thought it was a nice touch for a $2 box.
     
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  5. I'm Ron Burgundy?

    I'm Ron Burgundy? I love vape

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    Imgur doesn’t work in this unfortunately.
     
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  6. Hackerman

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    Nice. You even fused the power line. Very nice.
     
  7. MasonJar

    MasonJar Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! I decided to fuse it after the first IH that I was playing with broke and almost melted the wires on the alligator clips I was using that connected it to the Lipo battery. During the test I was not using the FET Trigger Switch Board and was just connecting the lipo directly to the IH module with alligator clips. That probably contributed to its early demise. However, instead of failing with an open circuit, it shorted out the wires hence the fuse just to be on the safe side. It is rated 15A currently, I will replace it with a 12A and then a 10A so it can blow faster at the event of trouble.
     
  8. Pipes

    Pipes Addicted DIY Enthusiast Accessory Maker

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    Excellent stuff. :science:
    Definitely glad you added a fuse. No protection from batteries capable of delivering 30+ amps can cause lots of fireworks. As you found out, the weakest wire(s) will burn up. Can be pretty scary indeed as can happen so quickly. Gets really fun if no wires are weak... The battery itself will give if nothing else does. A simple fuse will protect from disaster but doesn't give your battery protection from draining too far. You may want to incorporate a 10 amp BMS in place of that fuse. Driving these batteries till they drop off themselves isn't good for them at all and will rob you of charge cycles.
    Play safe and most of all have fun doing it! :nod: Keep us posted.
     
  9. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    I recommend imgbb for image hosting it works very well and images will be displayed here clearly in full-size for all to see and once you have registered and learnt the procedure it's actually very quick and easy much better than imgur I find. Welcome to the forum @MasonJar and the best of luck with your project. :)
     
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  10. Phenix

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    Nice work !
    I intented to build a IH myself and also run into the problem with burning wires (they were too thin). Once I find more free time I will try again.
     
  11. Phenix

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    Can’t edit sorry

    Which kind of LED did you use? Voltage?

    And which voltage should I choose for the power switch?
    These look nice
    http://s.aliexpress.com/AvMfyQb6
     
  12. MasonJar

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    Thanks again Pipes! I definitely will look into the BMS module you linked to... I might need to get and mod a 3S balance wire to get it to work with lipos as it seem you need to connect the individual cells to the module for the regulation/protection to work.

    I am well versed with caring for/respecting lipos as I fly RC helicopters powered by these. I've seen these babies puff or worse when over discharged at a very high rate and/or burn after getting damaged after a crash. For the IH module I am only balance charging the lipos to storage voltage (50% total capacity, or ~3.85 volts per cell or 11.55 volts total). I recharge them as soon as the voltage drops to around 40% capacity. Incidentally, I store all my lipos at storage voltage (~50%, 3.85V per cell) in a lipo bunker... You need to take precautions with these lipos.

    I am using this Lipo checker which gives a fairly accurate reading of the voltage per cell along with the total voltage:
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    Toggling through and one of the modes shows the difference between the lowest voltage and highest voltage among the cells...
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    These cell checkers are available at stores that sell RC helicopters, drones and probably at Amazon, Banggood, or Ali Express too.

    This is a pic of my lipo bunker... You can never be careful enough with these:
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    I bought the momentary switch without LED from Amazon as I needed it delivered asap. The LED I used are rated at 12V DC and have a built in resistor inside them (probably to step down voltage even more)... I got these from a local electronic store.

    The switch you linked to is a "latching" switch as opposed to a "momentary" switch. That switch (latching) is suitable as a toggle switch to enable the battery like the toggle switch I have in the front panel of my build. HOWEVER, I suggest a momentary switch to actually power on the IH Module... The momentary switch only engages the IH via the FET Trigger board when you hold/press on it. It cuts power as soon as you stop depressing it. This ensures you don't forget the IH powered on... Very important for safety reasons IMHO.

    Having the LED built in the switch means you can forgo the individual LEDs like in my build as you can wire the built-in LEDs instead.
     
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  13. MasonJar

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    The display of images above appears to be problematic on certain browsers (IE, FF)... Based on the suggestion of the mods, I have uploaded the images at imgbb and am reposting them below with a brief description...

    Component layout prior to soldering...
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    Completed build...
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    I added a tie wrap to secure the silicone cable and provide strain relief to the + wire screwed and soldered on the toggle switch... The fuse is rated at 15A 30V DC and appears to be "spring" loaded to prevent arcing when it blows.
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    Momentary switch need to be pressed to activate the IH module. It takes anywhere from 6 to 9 seconds to hear the vapcap click(s).
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  14. Phenix

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    Thanks for the detailed expiation and your suggestions @MasonJar ! Made it easy and more clear to understand.
    I am reading this post right now. Cool stuff. Challenging to understand for me cuz too less knowledge.

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapcap-diy-induction-heating-bits-n-pieces.33216/

    This is a option For a battery case (18650s, only unprotected cuz protected is too long)

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.de/ulk/itm/281509252056


    I will try and see how it goes. I have all major parts for the IH. Momemtary push for IH and toggle for battery is indeed the way to go ß
     
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  15. MasonJar

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    Good luck on your project@Phenix. There definitely is a lot of info on this site on how to successfully build an IH for the dynavap.
     
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  16. MasonJar

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    I have been using the IH for a couple of weeks now with absolutely no issues, knock on wood. Recently been using it in combo with the OmniVong XL and a couple of glass pieces... Here is a video I made of the IH in action:

    https://streamable.com/zt6xd

    A few pics of the glasses I am using it with...

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  17. n0rdicblu3

    n0rdicblu3 Deez Nuts!

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    Awesome little box!! If I ever buy a VapCap, I'm definitely building this. So, thanks for posting:)

    Maybe consider adding in a volt meter to measure cell voltage or a voltage cutoff circuit, to protect battery some more.
     
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  18. MasonJar

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    Thanks! I got a smaller box which I now use to house my vapcaps... I also added a sticker and a magnet to the IH. Below is how it looks now... Also shown are the two bongs I mostly use with the vapcaps nowadays. I have also been mostly using Ddavemods Water Wand V2s with Ti Tips... I prefer these to the OmniVong XL especially when used in bongs.

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    Straight Fab with the SOL Perc from CCG, Ddavemods Water Wand V2 with the Ti Tip, Induction Heater... My favorite combo to date:

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    The bigger box definitely has space if you want to add a voltmeter... I have cell checkers that measure voltages of lipos every time I use them, or in this case, before I use them on the IH. These cell checkers shows not only the total voltage of the lipo but also the difference between the max and the min voltages among the various cells. When used on high discharge applications (like on RC drones and helis), it is recommended that the cells be as close in voltages to each other both before and after use... Preferably less than 0.1 volts difference between the highest and lowest cell voltage.

    Lipo cell checker... Total battery voltage... I typically store lipos at around 50% voltage... 46% in this case.
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    Difference between the cell with the Max vs cell with the Min voltage: .009% in this case:
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  19. n0rdicblu3

    n0rdicblu3 Deez Nuts!

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    I fly FPV too, so very familiar with Lipos, charging them and checking voltages. My favorite hobby by far is definitely flying quads

    That's a cool storage box too. You've got some mad skills there to make things look like they're store bought!
     
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  20. MasonJar

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    Thanks! Vaping has become another hobby for me. :) I should have gotten at least another one of those smaller boxes... I went back to the Dollar Store and they are all gone. :( The ZDS induction heater fits on the small box if you put it on its side. When I find the smaller box I will build another IH... for portable use.
     
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  21. n0rdicblu3

    n0rdicblu3 Deez Nuts!

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    Sorry they ran out of the boxes
     
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