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Wow this is just unbelievable...Health Canada shows how much it cares about patients...

Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by Havelock Vetenari, Mar 15, 2014.

  1. Havelock Vetenari

    Havelock Vetenari Patrician

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    http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/...-for-cannabis-medicines-and-patients-in-need/
    "The essence of the press release is that patients who had been growing their own cannabis are now legally obligated to send Health Canada a letter confirming they have destroyed all their home-grown medicine by mixing it with kitty litter, and also killed all of their plants.
    If Health Canada doesn’t get this notice, then they will call the RCMP in an effort to have patients arrested for cultivation."
    Wtf?
    :cuss::disgust:
     
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  2. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    It's spelled "cannabis".

    I have strong doubts that the RCMP will actually jump to do Health Canada's bidding, but who knows. See http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...w-ops-will-not-be-busted-say-mayors-1.2558681.
     
  3. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    this shit is just crazy and wibbly wobbly. WTF are they doing- their irradiated shit weed did nothing for no one while they were shipping it to them and now they act like it did not work so the system must be shut down. irradiated anything should not be in the spectrum of medicine and can only leave people wanting for healthy medicine.
     
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  4. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    Not in the spectrum of natural medicine anyways.
    And that's a big tension, between natural medicines like herbs, meditation and yoga,
    and poisonous conventional treatments like chemo & radiation therapy,
    and synthesized chemical prescription narcotics.
     
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  5. SpruceGruve

    SpruceGruve Bag of sand in hand,Eyeing up the gold statue

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    This has been talked about for like three months on rollitup.org

    The only reason I like that forum is because they are some of the first people to start talking about this CRAP....too much trolling though
     
  6. Snake Plissken

    Snake Plissken Transcendentalist

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    Pretty ridiculous. Kitty litter cause it's used to cleanup oil and other bad stuff? Or do they want you to use scented so that they don't have to smell the flowers? Sounds like they are being dicks cause they don't like their current job description. That sample appeared to be something from the 80's.
     
  7. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member

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    Pretty typical of our wonderful Conservative government! Long live King Harper!
     
  8. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    Dear health canada,

    Here is my form testifying that I mixed my prime homegrown buds with kitty litter,
    so I can enjoy your bullshit schwag dirtweed exclusively from now on.


    Now please leave me the fuck alone.
    :mental:
     
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  9. Caligula

    Caligula Maximus

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    Its the same as what they tell you to do with any drug that you are trying to discard. Mainly its to discourage people from trying to recover the meds that are tossed out.

    This is a viable alternative to flushing things down the toilet since thats how some drugs get into our drinking water (obviously not a huge concern with MJ versus antibiotics or estrogen pills, but id imagine trying to flush a bunch of herb wouldn't make the plumbing happy, lol).

    Maybe they could instruct people to incinerate it instead? ;)
     
  10. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    What i don't get is that if i buy herb from a licensed producer, licensed by HC, and i still have some left by the end of March, then i have to destroy it.
    All good and dandy BUT.... all the producers are only offering meds from 2 months after that date!!
    And a few have already closed registratioon because too many people are signing up!

    So anyone in need of daily meds is screwed for the first two months unless they buy illegally!
    Great work Conservatives!
     
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  11. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member

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    The reality ... is almost no one with just an ATP actually got their meds from Health Canada, most users that did not grow purchased through compassion clubs, which are not legal according to Health Canada (although I've flown within Canada with meds purchased through compassion clubs using my ATP ... so pretty gray area)

    ... that being said, I can sign and send in the form they are requesting (and did), as I am not, nor have I ever been, technically, in possession of cannabis authorized through my ATP, although my ATP has allowed me to carry cannabis procured otherwise, and claim it on my taxes etc.
     
  12. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Salutations Havelock Vetenari,

    Some people called me paranoïd when i commented it was no good idea to put one's name and address on the government's list, a couple years ago. M'well, the late news didn't really come as a surprize to me anyway...

    :peace:
     
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  13. Crumpet

    Crumpet Active Member

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    Really, this isn't true :)

    Several of the new licensed producers do have meds available right now (the ones that were licensed first have had several months to grow now). Most of them list if they have stock available on their websites (yes, some have temporarily closed registration - but many have not). People who have ATPs under the old system shouldn't experience much (if any) delay in getting started with their meds under the new system.

    I was licensed under the old system, and today after speaking with someone from one of the new LPs to confirm they do have stock available, I sent in my registration information to become their client. I'll have my first order from them next week, assuming I've filled in my forms properly.

    edited to make more sense
     
  14. JCat

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    Before I settled on my current compassion club to supply me, I went through many different suppliers, all with there issues. My current compassion club's supplier is getting licensed, its been in the works for a long time, and is expected to come through in May some time. If I registered with another supplier in the meantime, under the new regulations I would have to get another note from my Doctor to provide them with in order to be registered.

    ie. if I register with the currently available producers, than I won't be able to get a continuity of care for my current medication .... so I have to wait ... there will be a gap of 1-2 months anyways where nothing is available and I'm supposed to destroy everything I have and basically suffer for 2 months ... seems in line with what the conservatives want ... make those that don't fit the conservative ideal suffer ...
     
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  15. Crumpet

    Crumpet Active Member

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    So you've already submitted your original ATP somewhere then, and cannot go elsewhere? Or has your ATP expired? Or did you not have an ATP, and were only licensed to possess under the new system with a doctor's note? If you had the ATP document and it hasn't expired and you haven't sent it to one of the new official licensed producers, then you don't need a doctor's note.

    Just trying to get some clarification on your issues and understand why it was easy for me to transition to the new system and it doesn't seem to be for other people - obviously the system isn't perfect.

    Here's how it is for me, in a more broken down way:
    - received my ATP (authorization to possess from Health Canada) last year
    - my current stock of meds will run out next week
    - knowing the program transition was coming up, I've been evaluating the new licensed producers to find one who currently has stock (and has some variety to their stock)
    - contacted the LP I decided on to make sure they do still have stock as their website indicates
    - filled out their registration form and mailed it along with my original ATP document (no doctor's note required as my ATP is still valid)
    - will be able to receive my meds next week

    I am cutting it close, but I won't have any sort of gap in medication.
     
  16. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Salutations Havelock Vetenari,

    Some details came to my attention lately which make me suspect Health Canada and letters are exactly what went wrong that possibly ignited the anti-cannabic war. It turns out i've been hoping to find information as to how "marijuana" was legally banned for a long while, then last night i finally saw details that were there all along and clearly put an identity with a face on this man below, keeping in mind in US it started later:


    « The federal health minister at the time, Henri Beland... »

    Ah ah! Quite frankly i wish i had noticed this most significant passage before:

    Report of the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs (2002)
    Amendments to the Opium and Narcotic Drug Act (1920-1938)

    Many amendments were made to the 1911 Act prior to an in-depth overhaul of the Act in 1938. It was during this period that cannabis was added to the schedule of the Act.



    Amendments to list of substances in schedule: Addition of cannabis

    From 1911 to 1938, many drugs were added to the schedule of the Opium and Narcotic Drug Act. The 1911 Act was introduced to control only four drugs. In 1938, when the Act to amend the Opium and Narcotic Drug Act was enacted, the schedule listed more than 15 drugs, including derivatives or salts, one of which was cannabis, added in 1923.


    During a sitting of the Committee of the Whole in connection with a review of the 1923 Act, Minister of Health Henri-Séverin Béland simply said about the substance that, “ There is a new drug in the schedule.” That is how cannabis ended up in the schedule to the Act. According to Giffen, the circumstances leading to the decision remain obscure because, until 1932, the issue of the effects of cannabis on people’s physical, psychological or mental health had never been raised in Parliament. Giffen described the criminalization of the drug as a solution without a problem.

    The French version mentioned an "annexe", so it seems this individual who practiced medecine as well as being a politician with military and litterary experience just couldn't be bothered to democratically discuss such a decision still hurting so many lives today! So, now i've got to wonder: is it possible it was HC through it minister Henri-Séverin Béland that actually inspired UN's treaty of 1932?? A treaty that spread around the Commonwealth countries where laws have been "harmonized" afterwards?!...

    :worms:

    This could mean not only has Health Cannada been wrong before but it may even have contributed (if not launched) the anti-cannabic war and this guy who did it using an "annexe" was supposed to have scientific objectivity - on top of it! But was it really the result of his action alone or were there other parties involved in the background?

    If that remained misterious for CBC's journalist then i imagine we may never come to understand what prompted such madness neither. Yet at least it might sound like natural justice to read in another paper that this man's grave became forgotten long ago:

    ...lorsqu'il a constaté à quel point le monument de l'ancien sénateur Henri-Séverin Béland, enterré dans le plus vieux cimetière de Saint-Joseph, tombait en désuétude. « Il était sur le point de basculer et le lettrage n'était presque plus visible »

    Approximative translation:

    ...when he noticed how badly former's deputy Henri-Séverin Béland funeral monument, burried in the oldest cemetary of Sain-Joseph (de Beauce) had degraded. « It was about to fall and the lettering had almost vanished »

    Which means the need for repairs wasn't even apparent to anyone before, nowhere at the different government levels anyway...

    :rip:

    M'well, perhaps MiniPET will remember his peer when an opportunity finally shows up, as this political man was with the Liberal party. Wow! Now ain't that some surprizing legacy for Justin who wants to "legalize"!! It sort of sheds a renewed perspective on the bigot MMPR plot, doesn't it?!!

    :peace:
     
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  17. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    There was no 1932 "UN treaty". The UN didn't exist until 1945. In 1932 the US passed the Uniform Narcotic Drug Act which might be what confused you. That act was championed by the infamous Harry Anslinger, who had a personal vendetta against cannabis. Canada's action in 1923 didn't influence any other countries as far as anyone knows.
     
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  18. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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