I'm curious as to why FC seems opposed to them in general. I realize that they lose their potency after 10-20 minutes, but besides that, what are the downsides as opposed to using a bong or whip? Are they less efficient? I haven't used a whip before so I can't comment, but I enjoyed the bag method, it was flavorful and cool. That being said, i've only used a bag vape so I don't know how it compares to the others. I'm thinking of getting a desktop in the future so I figured I'd do some pre-emptive research.