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  1. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    Hello all,
    Long time member with a very noob (rookie) question......

    I have been a combuster/vaper of THC flower for many, many. many years (over 25 years) and been through all the toys and accessories. so i consider myself pretty knowledgeable on the flower aspect. i never had to learn anything else cause it was never available here. Very recently a relative of mine told me about a friend of his that could get THC Oil and that friend uses a e-cig device to get medicated from it. so my relative got one and i am still waiting for him to show it to me and try it out BUT he did tell me a one thing. its a "Joytech Ego- T or C" e-cig. other than that i know NOTHING else.

    I was hoping some experts here could school me on THC Oil since i have never heard of it before. can someone help me out??

    1) this joytech device - is it the best device for this type of thing?? just cause this other guy uses it does not mean it's the best tool for the job. i would love some suggestions on good devices to use for THC Oil

    2) is there a learning curve i need to be aware of

    3) what is the medicated feeling like compared to flower medicine? is it the same feeling? last the same amount of hours??

    4) is the consumption rate better or worse? what i mean how much oil is the same as dry weight of herbal medicine (i.e. grams)

    I hope i asked everything, since this is so new to me, i am sure there are other things i am supposed to ask. so if there are any guru's out there that can school a rookie to oil, i would very much appreciate it.

    Thanks in advance
  2. deadc0ffee

    deadc0ffee Inquisitive vaporist

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    Do you have a name more specific than "THC oil?"
    And I'm guessing the delta9 omicron and thermovape dart would be good choices just going by what I assume you mean, but you're also talking about e-cigs? Is the THC oil a vegetable glycerine/propylene glycol mixture or an oil? Oils won't work in normal e-cigs.

    2) depends on the device.

    3) It should be about the same as herbal vaporization.

    4) It should be better, assuming you have a concentrate.
  3. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    Actually I'm afraid I do not know. I haven't seen anything up close and personal yet :( I am just going by what has been told to me so far. And since I know nothing about anything except actual flower herbs and hash I'm clueless. Sorry to not be able to offer up much more. I hope to go see my brother in law soon and see and test for real.
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  5. OF

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    First off, I assume 'THC Oil' is really hash oil or similar extract. It might range from 50% to maybe 80% THC. Against an average top shelf bud of say 16 or 18% you're looking at maybe four times? There's as much goodness in a gram as an 1/8 ounce of bud?

    The e-cig 'battery' you're looking at is OK in lots of cases, but it does have some drawbacks relative to similar units made for hash oil expressly. We're looking for longer hits to get bigger doses of heavier stuff vaporized. E-cig stuff generally has a safety time out (typically maybe 8 seconds) that will cut you off. You can 'double tap' and go again, but it's a hassle. Likewise, the longer times can lead to heating problems not normally seen with nicotine 'juice'. Units like the THC and TV ones don't time out and are built to deliver higher power without overheating. Another nice feature is having a battery you can replace easily. Sooner or later the sucker will die on you mid hit, if you've a spare in your pocket you're up again in a half a minute, otherwise you're looking for an outlet and something to do while it charges.

    I'd start by thinking through were you're going to get the oil. If you will have to make it, plan that out too. Then seriously consider getting either THC's Omicron or TV's Revolution/DART carts as they're built for the duty not 'make do' schemes. There are a bunch (like a dozen?) failed companies who came out with 'revolutionary new' stuff based on e-cig gear. Some are trying now. So far they've all been plagued by poor performance and even poorer Customer Support (who can blame them when the complaint come rolling in?). Some guys go through 2 or 3 replacements, some move on. I don't know this one, but if it flies it'll be a first.

    The owner of THC started this way (loading e-cig carts with 'watered down' oil). The results were so bad he set out on the quest to make a better cart and published the 'secrets' of the industry (because they were so obsolete):
    https://www.stickyguide.com/forums/196

    You might want to check out this thread:
    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/various-e-cig-based-vaporizers.5179/

    Good luck.

    OF
  6. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    Thanks OF for the VERY informative post. I learned a lot from it. I first want to see what my brother in law got. Then I want find out more about this "oil" and see how good his supplier is. It sounds like he may be the only supplier of this oil. If so, that will most likely scare me off from buying. I would hate to drop $$$$ on more gear that could become useless if this oil guy runs out and does not get more or simply disappears.
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  7. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You're welcome, glad to help if I can.

    A couple of other thoughts for you? First off, there's noting wrong with e-cig 'batteries' at some levels. In fact right now I'm using one of those very Ego-T supplies with an thread adapter to drive a 2.4 Ohm Omicron cart filled with some lovely Northern Lights extract. It's working great! I just know from personal experience and reading about others most attempts to use e-cig carts are marginal at best, and always seem to cost some lost concentrate in the process. I suggest you be careful in that area. OTOH, Omicron and Revolution/DART are known good performers with huge following in their own threads 'on the other side' of this Forum.

    Secondly, making your own concentrates is not out of the question. Lots of guys do a good job of it. The two major ways are "Iso (Isopropal alcohol) Quick Wash" and BHO. In the first, you quickly rinse the herb in chilled Iso (like 30 seconds) since it's also pulling chlorophyll and other stuff you don't want as well before filtering it through a coffee filter. The Butane Hash Oil (BHO) process involved dumping a can of lighter fuel (pure brands recommended....) through the herb (as liquid). In either case, hot water and other techniques are used to evaporate the solvents off. Caution is needed of course, lest you burn the joint down....or blow it up with Butane fumes. Both are popular things for sloppy guys to do. Lots of good instructions around. The first is done in jars usually, the second in glass or PVC (I'd avoid that) rigs sold on line for the use or in stainless steel turkey basters.

    The problem with making your own is yield. You might need a quarter ounce of herb to get a gram! More if the grade is low. The extraction isn't perfect, some THC is left behind. The real advantage is with trim and other 'waste' from commercial bud growing. Here I can buy first rate oils and waxes for $35 to $50 a gram, almost all of it from trim so folks I know don't make it themselves.

    One thing sure, it is a treat. A couple hits and you're covered. A minute or two at most. Mind you some guys use the increased potency to run their tolerance clear off the carts, but if you keep it under control it's a neat system for medicating on the fly.

    Good luck.

    OF
  8. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    Thanks again OF for all your helpful insight on the issue. I saw my brother in law yesterday and got to see the e-cig and take it for a test run. so here is what i have learned and mind you i am still a noob when it comes to this.....

    1) the joytech device is cool looking and small. about the size of a pen. it is charged by USB and has a 5 click on and 5 click off system (read about that feature on other units too and i like it)

    2) i unscrewed it atone point but did not fully take it apart so i do not know too much about the catridge but i did not see any "cotton" but again it may have been in another part

    3) i turned it on and after the 5 click, you have to hold the button and draw from it, after like 10 seconds the light turns off and that "hit" is done. i did not taste the hit on the draw but on exhale i did get a cloud and the taste was very similar to the taste of hash (i liked it)

    4) i took 4 hits in under two minutes and was back to the family party and was feeling medicated already. i felt good, not overly medicated, but really good feeling

    so after talking with my brother in law i also learned that the supplier is selling pre-filled carts. my brother in law (who is a pretty heavy smoker cause he works from home) says he got a weeks worth of hits from a single cart (in this week he did not smoke from his bong at all so all he used was this device for a week) which to me sounds pretty incredible. i am a heavy user myself but i am do not work from home so there is an 8 hour time block that i most of the time do not vape in (i do get to sometimes and would more with this device). he seems to think the supply is not going to "disappear" soon and thinks he is getting it from somewhere it's legal to get this medicinally (NY is not a MMJ state) like canada.

    after the 4 puffs i took on it, i really like the device. i am sure some "Pros" on this board would rip this joytech device apart (and i would love to hear them so i can learn) but i really see no reason (other than my empty budget) for me not to buy this and use it in situations when i can't use my other vapes. i do not see this becoming my daily driver, but could see it as an excellent travel companion or something i could use at work to take the "edge" off. like i said the cart are being sold pre-filled at this time and i did not look at the cart when i had the device (my bad ) so i still have questions about carts like what is ohm when carts are listed like "2.4ohm"?? to me ohm is a electrical term like talking about speakers and amps. i noticed there are different "ohm" sizes when it comes to carts.

    Thanks again OF for all your help so far and i am sure you have further to say on what i just posted. i also welcome other "pros" to help me out as well in this new adventure for me.

    Thanks again
  9. StickyShisha

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    i'm not a fan of pre-filled carts (for my Omi). The ones i have tried had poorly made oil, imho.
  10. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    i appreciate that opinion and if there were other options in the area i would most likely agree with you. but i have been "medicating" for 25+ years and the only choice has always flowers with an occasional showing of hash. this is the first time in that many years anything like this has been in my area. so the dude sort of has a "monopoly" so to speak on the oil business. and pre-filled carts are the only thing i can find.
  11. OF

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    Howdy. First off you're very welcome, glad to help if I can. Since you said 'thanks' 3 times, do I owe you two more 'you're welcomes'? I'm not good of the fine points, just remembering to say please and thank you is about all I can be counted on to handle.....

    Great to hear you've got a (at least fairly) stable source. While I agree with Lady SS (the prefilled carts I've tried have been kind of sub standard oils) we have the luxury of wide choice. Given your situation, I'd say 'go for it'. While options are nice, something is better than noting.

    As I said before, I see noting really wrong with Joyetech (the correct spelling I think?), in fact I use several of their models from time to time. Low cost, well enough made, and thus far reliable. I suggest you look into Ego T Pass Through (basically what I think you're looking at) but in the 'upgrade' version. With that one, when it's locked out (five pushes) you can hold the button down for five seconds and it changes from regulated mode (about 3.4 Volts out) to unregulated (as much as the battery can give, starts at 4.2 or so and drops down to 3.5 or so before you have to recharge. Kind of like a 'turbo mode'. Nice to have in case you're in the mood for a little heavier hit (like that's not going to happen a lot.....) and when the cart is nearing the end of it's life. I bought my last one from these guys, the upgrade version is a dollar more:
    http://www.liberty-flights.com/product.asp?id=49

    Be sure to check the 'discounts' link center top of the page, it's got a 20% off code that basically covers your shipping.

    Best of luck, I agree it's a great resource. Neat technology. Not an every day thing for most folks perhaps, but mighty handy to have around.

    OF
  12. VapoRoor

    VapoRoor DAB-a-DAB I'll dooooo

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    I've got a vape suggestion for ya. You say you've known flowers for some time yet hash oil is new ground?
    Well this medical device called VapeWise can vape hash oil, brick hash, earwax, all concentrates and it vapes flowers as well.
    I've only seen this online and was thinkin if the oil guy drops off the radar well you've still got a badass toy to vape flowers so this product may not see any shelf time.
    Check it out at
    www.VapeWise.com
  13. notmyrealUSERname

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    Hahahha!

    Sorry to disappoint you but Canada is not a state! also, marijuana is illegal in Canada (except for mmar patients - Medical Marijuana Access Regulations). Although, I am not 100% sure, I would guess that any mmar card carrying Canadian would not be allowed to bring their prescription into the USA.

    Ok, as far as the best way to vape concentrates I would have to say go with the eclipse h2o. Its the most efficient, effective, quick, method with the least amount of wasted product, and a method to adjust the actual vape temp. What temp do vape pens operate at?

    I found the vape pen carts always had some product stuck to the sides when the cart was finished. They are hard to draw on, and priming always seemed to be an issue. Also, it never seemed to satisfy like a dab from a dome or curve. Curves and domes are often harsh because of the extremely high temps that are used in order to ensure complete vaporization (otherwise the hit will smolder forever).
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  14. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    ummmmmm i never stated that Canada was a "state". i am 38 (soon to be 39) and have graduated High School with a diploma... now i know i am not the smartest dude in the world but i do know enough geography to know Canada is a country, our neighbor to the north. and yes i know its illegal there too except for card carying patients (and Vancouver, BC where it is illegal but coffee shops like in Amsterdam do exist). and i never suggested a card carrying patient would risk bringing it in. there is a thing called smuggling.... they do it in Mexico all the time. so why couldnt medical grade MMJ be smuggled from Canada?? is there a rule saying only drig smuggling happens in Mexico??
  15. notmyrealUSERname

    notmyrealUSERname Notmy Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if I came off a little dickish there, I was trying to imply (not very clearly though) that you might be better off learning how to make your own, then dealing with all the extra risk associated with can/us relations. If you get into concentrates as your main method of medication you will probably end up making your own anyway - its the only way to know exactly what your getting, and you can tailor the end result to get exactly what you want, sap, budder, oil. For not much effort you could eliminate a lot of risk from your life.

    Btw, I heard there are some vapor lounges in toronto now!
  16. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    its all good, no worries my friend. i would love to learn how to make my own concentrates but since i am so new, i am fearful of wasting meds i paid good $$$ for. i am reading and watching videos and trying to learn. the question i am trying to figure out now is..... after watching so many videos about QWISO i see it comes out as a thick gooey material. my brother is law gets these pre filled cartrigdes for his Joye Ego-t and the carts have a liquid in it that tastes like hash when you hit it and gets you pretty damn medicated off a few puffs. i am trying to figure out what that "liquid" is sive QWISO is more thicker and gooey (best way i can describe it now).

    i really want to learn about concentrates and have been reading whatever material i can find and watching youtube videos as well. if i can figure out how to make them where it does not cost me more than i am already paying for my precious flower meds i will be quite happy to try it
  17. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    so i went out and bought a Joyetech Ego-C with the the upgraded pass-through batteries that you can change the voltage to. i got this one becuse currently my brother in law can get the tanks pre-filled with what i am guess by the taste is hash oil. after doing some reading on other forums it seems this how they do it in the dispensaries in MMJ states. in one place its called the rem pen or something like that and the poster on that forum says he goes back and just buys the pre-filled tanks now. he said the rem pen is just an Ego-C.

    so after discussing with my brother in law, we have decided we need to figure out how to make the oil ourselves and fill our own tanks. After watching a boatload of videos on how to make QWISO hash oil (i like this method over BHO as i feel safer with this method) i think i know the process and am willing to do a test run soon. But here is my BIG question..... after watching the videos everyones finished product is a dark gooey thick oil and when i look at these prefilled tanks it is more liquified and not so thick and gooey. there does appear to be some thicker stuff in the tank as well but there is definitely a liquid too it too. i assume that this is supposed to be that way so it "drips" to the atomizer. so my question is why is the stuff in the prefilled tanks kinda liquified and the end product from the videos is thicker and gooier?? am i watching the wrong how to make videos???
  18. OF

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    Without being able to look at what you are, I'm betting the thinner stuff is 'watered down' with VG or PG to feed (just like Nicotine is with e-cigs). You can do the same thing and use e-cig carts or similar or use the pure concentrate in Omicron carts (or TV Revolution/DART) for stronger hits with less loss of concentrate.

    If you decide to follow the first path, here's an excellent thread started by "G" the owner/inventor of Omicron on the subject. After a couple years of doing it the same old way he came up with a MUCH BETTER scheme (Omicron) so he published his 'secrets' as they were no longer as useful:
    https://www.stickyguide.com/forums/196

    BTW, I think the 'hemp oil' idea is a fun one. I actually bought all the stuff for it, but find Omicron and Revolution work so well with pure oil I've never tried it.

    Also BTW, I agree with you, butane is scary dangerous. Guys who think they have it under control seem to blow themselves up and/or burn the joint down with regularity. Also remember ISO will wash chlorophyll and other stuff you don't want out as well, quick is the important part of QISO, seconds count. Expect something like 1:7 for a yield from good bud. A gram from a 1/4 ounce?

    Good luck.

    OF
  19. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    gracias for the info OF!! i was wondering something else... since the break down as you say is close to a gram of oil per 1/4 ounce, does the gram last as long as the 1/4 ounce would if i didn't make the oil?? i know it sounds like a silly question but i was just curious to what you and others think. if i had a 1/4 ounce of good bud and use it the way i normally would it would last me anywhere from 9 to 14 days. that is my normal... obviously stressful weeks it may not last as long. do you think a gram of oil has a chance to last that long?? i know the oil in "concentrated" but i am curious anyways
  20. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Excellent question, but very hard to answer in the general case I think since it's so subjective?

    In real terms (whatever reality turns out to be....) a fair bit of the THC in the bud gets left behind. Both AVB and the 'washed out bud' have residual, you don't get it all. OTOH, you tend to vape oil completely away, all the THC in there makes it to vapor.

    So take a MFLB trench. I load .125 grams (1/8 gram) at a time. Assuming it's say 16% 'top shelf' bud that's (125 X .16) or 20 mg of THC. Let's say 3/4 of that gets vaped out (AVB is still 4%), 15 mg to vapor, half that absorbed, 7.5 mg. Twice the commonly given threshold. A reasonable session. If, instead, we converted to 70% oil at 1:7 we'd have (125/7) 18 mg of oil containing (17 X .70) 12.5 mg of THC, all of which goes to vapor. So it's about a push at that point. However, I believe you 'get off better' (absorb a higher percentage) of the more potent vapor from the oil. On a mg of THC basis I find I use about 2/3 the amount via oil.

    Then again I know 'nail heads' that vape up a dabs that would last me several days. And they do that several times a day.

    I also think there's a real advantage to an 'oil vape' that gets the job done in a few quick tokes that's an individual call as well. I suspect you'll come to like the system for that reason alone? The real cost advantage comes from commercial processors using trim and 'sugar leaves' as source (cheap relative to bud) so you can buy grams of nice concentrate at $35 per. Too bad you can't get in on that, but IMO 'rolling your own' has it's place.

    Good luck in your adventures.

    OF
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