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What makes cannabis medical?

Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by C No Ego, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    just curious as to what everyone has learned about cannabis in regards to it being healthy or medical... personal opinions, science, all of it! Please feel free to post here about IT!

    for myself personally in the last 7 years I have encountered a few really observable medical benefits when I focused on adding cannabis into a steady daily/weekly regime...

    first off- body weight.... once I started using cannabis regularly my weight balanced out to what I would deem optimally correct for my size... I think a few things lead to that... I would use cannabis in place of a meal every now and then but I am not sure that over all that is what dropped the weight as it was sporadic at best...
    after researching " what makes cannabis do that?" I learned that the molecules in cannabis act as metabolic adjustment structures that inform cellular surfaces what to trigger/toggle and what not to trigger... so, micro adjustments if you were. it all works through lipid coating that form the cell walls and how we consume/burn fat through those coatings... more later, time now for the no internet time... Peace
     
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  2. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    THC stimulates the immune system, so THC is immunotherapy - works to boost the immune system to cure melanoma, at least.

    i made a Rick Simpson type extraction for my gf to use as oral treatment - i think it reversed her malignant melanoma into an in situ melanoma over about a 6 week period ... daily dose was about .3g, working up to the Simpson dose of 1g per day. there was a surgical re-excision to remove the melanoma and that seems to be the end of it.

    Cure is not a word i hear from the medical profession - "treat" is their go-to modality.
     
  3. killick

    killick But I like it!

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  4. howie105

    howie105 Well-Known Member

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    All I can attest to is what I see happen in my daily life. MJ moderates the pain I have from my crappy back and a couple of quick hits before bed helps with sleep. So to me that makes it a medical drug as well as a recreational one.
     
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  5. psychonaut

    psychonaut High as fuck

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    Reduces pain, relieves anxiety and depression, assists with sleep. I've shared CBD isolate with family members who do not consume THC and they have reported pain relief. Even hemp is competing with drug cultivars in this space. IMO, medicine makes you feel better when you're not feeling well through symptom relief. When the cannabanoids are stripped off of the plant, infused into a carrier and packaged up in a pill---to me it seems just like traditional medicine (pop the 00 cannacoco-oil capsule with 20mg, wait 30 mins and enjoy relief)
     
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  6. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    mainstream medical is to treat symptoms only not heal a disease... they call it treated not healed which would be correct in that we only heal after being treated... thankfully people are treating themselves with cannabis! or, directing a molecular mass ( cannabinoids) in a way that benefits our cellular structuring by maintaining pro-homeostasis

    indeed, when multiple people are all doing the exact same thing yet proclaiming their actions comparatively are different somehow?!?.... we are stuck in a perpetual delusion that what is happening is not real and disguised even while we are living it!

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    So, another few direct @ the moment health benefits I have found with cannabis use..

    in 2013 I was working on a historical 1920 downtown Raleigh project in the summer ( carpentry).... I was hot as hell and one day I over did it and had the chills and heat head ache etc.... well after work I break out the da vinci vaporizer loaded with cannabis and start to inhale vapors.... after a while of that I noticed all the symptoms seemed to vanish and go away and I felt fine and dandy! a direct and literal in my face example of the curative properties from the plant..

    Another time a few years ago.... I decided I am drinking some Beer with buddies! well after about 5 beers I was not feeling well at all( I am a serious light weight drinker)... after vomiting up some of the beer that night ( Yuk!) I went to sleep.... the next day I had the worst feeling hangover, it sucked... well break out the vape and start to inhale... ( I am not a morning vaporist and choose to wait at least till lunch) but not this day... after a few minutes of inhaling vapor I start to notice I am feeling like myself and after two bowls I was good as new perked up and attentive... another direct example to the noggin of affirming positive health promoting qualities in the plant..

    these are just random strains too I had available at the time and no specific ratios of this and that just plain whats available and a vaporizer.... smoking seems to not be as good of relief as vaping by any means... the relief is (more cleanly?) realized with a vape compared to smoking the same cannabis...

    I've got more direct on the spot examples too as well as long term benefit, more later... Peace
     
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  7. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    few years ago over on GC (grasscity) I was posting with a guy who was just grinding cannabis up to a fine grind to put in some gel caps and ingest them... he got rid of some type of serious stomach problem doing that after a few months and was posting everywhere to promote it to others! seems simple and he did not even decarboxylate it though said it was last years crop so a little old... one guy he gave them to saw Angels, another had a massive bowel movement LOL
     
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  8. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    May be it is the user what makes it medical. If a subject manages to overcome a health issue with its help,then it had served that purpose ,if one is using purely for fun,then effects are recreational with the bonus of it serving as a health hazard prevention,just like many other herbs do - garlic ,ginseng,ginger,aloe vera.. etc..
     
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  9. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    that completely explains how it is a medical act regardless of the condition of the user at the time of use... every person will have a preventive medicinal effect with use... cannabis is preventive medicine at most because of anti oxidant potential
     
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  10. C No Ego

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    Flush/ Cleanse/ Exit strategy and cannabis....

    Ok, years back I decided I am trying edibles... a friend gave me a huge amount of shake from his last grow... I got a no pudge brownie mix that only requires yogurt added to make it... I used a mesh strainer to sift the shake through to get it at some type of consistency... with this sifted consistent shake I added a huge amount into the brownie mix and mixed it all up and made the brownies... I ate two of them... wow, what a way to introduce myself! all day long floating/freeing and just Wow!

    next day though I had a massive cleanse out (exit strategy) that was just so refreshing and rejuvenating... I did not take any of the fiber out of the edible by straining the weed particles etc but left it all in the edible... honestly that cleanse was better than the whole day trip the day before as getting the gunk (gross!) out mattered more!
    anytime you see people recommended filtering ten times the material consider all that lost fiber... just be sure and have a liquid base to mingle that fiber in so the little tiny hairs on the shake is not as irritant to you..

    another advantage to edibles is urinary flow... I have had edibles that made it like a three beer pee that just cleansed and cleansed... I guess in this respect cannabis is a diuretic that I've never seen mentioned in any articles etc....

    I have done a few intense whole body cleanses and anything that helps facilitate cleansing in our dirty polluted societal paradigm is a blessing for us all! cannabis helps clean out the gunk
     
  11. C No Ego

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    More..........

    Pain... I have been actively pushing the envelope from the very first steps as a baby boy... I ran instead of walk etc... well, that has caught up to me now as in a few bodily pains that get recognized every now and then and some more major broken stuff that just gets noticed to much!

    Then a dear loved one re-introduced cannabis to me about 7 to 8 years back after I had abstained from it for about 15 or 20 years since being a teen.... I rolled one with the cannabis ( I knew how to roll from being a teen and learning it) and we smoked on that joint.... my first reaction was to go walk around the block to test my feet functioning normally as the pain just seemed to be not there! I broke both heels from a fall when I was 21.... I was just full of tears and joy as all those years I suffered with my feet hurting and I was not subjecting my body to harmful pharmaceuticals and was trying to go it el natural...
    For a few months I did a lot of soul searching after finding that natural plant relief to my feet pain that had been a part of my life all those years... I questioned legalities (Still do!) and others opinions etc.... I had to come to a conclusion and just say Fuck it, Fuck anyone standing in my way and Fuck ignorance! If you are not learning how to be better and to be a better person then stay the Fuck out of my way and keep your ignorance to yourself!

    please forgive that last bit, so frustrating and it shows!
     
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  12. Used2use

    Used2use Landrace racer

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    that's a question i am also wondering about - how much real scientific/clinical studys on humans are there?
    i was told by a friend that most research till now is either on animals or on the 'cellular system' level (sry if it's a wrong therm i'm a real noob in that metier)
    somehow most bases on personal experience eg a placebo test study with RSO would be interresting
     
  13. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    It depends what Country you find the studies from .. Isreal has real human studies... our studies in America were stalled when Nixon swept under the Parliament rug the findings from

    " The Shafer Commission, formally known as the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, was appointed by U.S. President Richard Nixon in the early 1970s. Its chairman was former Pennsylvania Governor Raymond P. Shafer"

    they found that testing cannabis molecules on cells resulted in less carcinogenic cancers and they found the molecules were very highly biocative

    keep in mind too, all tests since 1972 in America for cannabis were to find harms so that schedule one status can be maintained... look it up, the tests were paid for and if results/findings did not show detrimental harm then the test did not qualify to the stipulations set forth in the test
     
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  14. Used2use

    Used2use Landrace racer

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    yeah, that's real bad that science gets hold up by such crap:mad:
    The thing i'm wondering about the most, that a doctor can prescribe cannabis to cure things without the backup of clinical studies. Not even a base for the optimal dosage...
     
  15. C No Ego

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    cannabis actually has more studies than any other substance! there are 0ver 100 @ pubmed and ncbi.... only one of those studies are needed to qualify a pharma med! and cannabis is pushing over one hundred even though it is still illegal federally...

    doctors are simply waiting for a re-producible formulation to prescribe.... they cannot prescribe a plant with all of its variances, it's why known amounts ( milligrams) are needed etc before they feel safe prescribing it. at this point it is user observed relief that is hit and miss depending on availability etc...if the docotrs were not getting kick backs for meds sold then they would jump on a med like cannabis that can treat so many different ailments... see a patient tell them to go home and self medicate! ha ha
     
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  16. Ohmie

    Ohmie Govrnmnt fund adult circumcision & frenuloplasty!

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    Mary just cured my hangover symptoms from the hella drinking I did last night..on the rocks, no chasers
     
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  17. VaPurrDo

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    parmaceutics could simply make large batches of canna-coco capsules for each strain. the % should average pretty much to the same if its always a large harvest of the same strain

    but they have to document the effects of each terpene ... maybe it would still vary too much from capsule to capsule i dunno how it would mix...
     
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  18. C No Ego

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    standardized consistent formulations are achievable just not practical through pharmacological means at this time... what is required is millions of $$$ to test one compound at a time from the cannabis plant... cannabis has more molecular compounds than any other plant in existence ( 118 active molecules with 560 plus total constituent parts!) .. they all need testing which is unfortunately still mostly illegal to do in America... then once consistency is attained the pharma bros want to prescribe that one tested compound only! as in single compound therapy... from a plant that naturally produces so much take out the one part and prescribe it! I see the problem and it is lack based medicine that lacks the full bevy of molecular capability from whole plant therapy...
     
  19. Ohmie

    Ohmie Govrnmnt fund adult circumcision & frenuloplasty!

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    after my first hit of my second bowl of the day i still had a minor diarrhetic episode but my stomach didn't hurt much at all and the vom bomb was deactivated..had to come out one end or the other..btw I'm an infrequent but can be heavy when I do drinker #likethesavage
     
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  20. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    All cannabis is considered medical. Some folks are looking for higher CBD and THC levels to treat their illness. Cannabis medical grade or not helps many diseases and illnesses. I've started to take RSO with high CBD levels as well as THC, trying to cover all bases. I'm only taking a rice size amount a few times a day. I don't notice any extra high.
     
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  21. nicelytoasted

    nicelytoasted Vaked Chemist

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    I've always thought that all cannabis and cannabis by-products should be considered medical.

    Personally, I've used it to effectively alleviate my sciatica pains, and also used some oil I made years ago, to shrink a large mole (luckily diagnosed as benign), to a point where you can now barely see it. This originally proved to me that it did indeed work.

    The term, "recreational" is as offending to me as the term "marijuana", as they both infer negative connotations. If you must distinguish between medicinal and recreational, I much prefer the term " responsible adult usage" to "recreational". Even if cannabis isn't being used to alleviate/cure specific health issues, I firmly believe that it is the best preventative medicine in the world, bar none, and I use it this way, on a regular basis.

    In addition, I don't like always seeing that the CBD is the only cannabinoid that is medicine, while the THC is the only cannabinoid that provides the deleterious effects. They both provide key medicinal elements, working together, and with the hundreds of other cannabinoids and terpenes, that work in synergy with each other. Somehow, the deleterious effects have become the bad guy in the plant, but I definitely believe that these effects are also part of the overall medicinal outcome, provided by this amazing plant.

    You can tell that anti-cannabis types are becoming more & more desperate to cling on to their antiquated beliefs, as time goes on, and they are slowly losing this ridiculous war on cannabis. These nomenclature "semantics" are just another lame excuse, imo.
     
  22. howie105

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    When looking at MJ as a medical herb its easy to cue off the cultures and times where it was in the medical role over the last few thousand years. However many folks want modern studies for modern times, or not :)
     
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  23. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    Cannabis was used for pain before pain relieving medicines came along. Our ancestors knew how important the cannabis plant was to them.

    Thanks to our politicians back in the mid 1900s wanted to give cannabis a bad reputation in lieu of drug company profits. With all the reefer madness propaganda and the stupid films that grade school children were forced to watch back in the 1960s. I saw all kinds of anti cannabis films back in the 5th and 6th grade. Showing young people smoking a joint then going directly to injecting heroin needles.
     
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  24. Ohmie

    Ohmie Govrnmnt fund adult circumcision & frenuloplasty!

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    This entire cannabis situation is just documented proof that there is no god, and all thats left to be is the bad guy. Anything is medicinal like quality air, drinking water and cooked food.. I can do anything healthily..they don't make bulletproof and child proof lids on pepper dispensers so why start doing it with something less powerful..is Jesus medicinal? Nope, he represents death, hallucinations and sacrificial slaughter but he's the drug they're selling. I thought I could be anything within reason but all folk want is the twisted fantasy..I use for my anxiety and you're telling me thats illegal
     
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  25. MinnBobber

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    X2 @nicelytoasted ,
    like you, I hate the demeaning terms "marijuana" and "recreational use".

    I like the term "therapeutic" as it covers traditional medical (treat the issue after it has blossomed into a disease) and also covers 99% of adult responsible use.
    Cannabis is the best preventative medicine , bar none, as you stated. Nothing comes close as it tunes up our innate endocannabinoid system to do its job better, keep all our systems in balance.

    THC does get a bad rap, cuz it makes folks feel good. People spend billions on anti-depressants and what's the opposite of depressed.....feeling good. It's the puritanical influence where anything that makes you feel good must be the work of the devil....

    It is really sad that medical cannabis programs focus on fixing the disease rather than preventing it.
    Like they say, a milligram of prevention is worth 1000 kilograms of cure, or something like that :)
    Cannabis should be legal for therapeutic use, as the ultimate preventative medicine.

    I just petitioned our state to add "Endocannabinoid Deficiency Syndrome" as a covered med condition. I expect it will be rejected and will not go on to the next phase of public input
     

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