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What is your strategy to counteract your high, when U R 2 high

Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by Kosherbubba, Feb 22, 2018.

  1. uncanni

    uncanni Well-Known Member

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    I would not consider that a good way to counter a panic attack in response to Cannabis. That only cements the fear that it will happen again worse, as well as adding a pharmaceutical drug that I wouldnt want to play around with. I would want to try to assist someone learn how to navegate back into safer "high" waters, relax and ride with the high, embrace it. If that didn't happen and the situation was getting worse, though, I would try an Atavan rather than a sleeping pill.
     
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  2. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    I think the best approach is our own inner dialogue. It is arguably panic which sets in and creates the "problem". Staying calm is vital, but in a panic we have gone past that point. The seat belt has been undone and we just need to collect ourselves and realise that the situation is probably not as bad as we think.
    Self coaching and self-assurance is important here, as we tell ourselves it's ok it's not as bad as I think it will pass it will get better and I will definitely be ok 100% I just have to ride out a little bit of discomfort first and all will be well again.

    You can become disempowered in these situations and I believe that sense of disempowerment is what causes the panic but when we reassert to ourselves and realise that we do have this power this can change everything in an instant. As soon as you can begin to step back from the panic state of mind things rapidly improve even if you are still enduring the same degree of physical discomfort.

    I don't ever have such an experience with being too high from cannabis as such in this sense although I have been using much more than is good for me due to my many health conditions.

    I am currently reducing my usage and trying to adapt to this to make it work better for me in life although it can take an adjustment period where you can feel more depressed and anxious for a while as you get used to using less. And besides my weed is not anything like the high THC top shelf stuff which is another level in terms of this type of experience, so I'm not exactly qualified to comment here really.

    However when my tolerance was much lower in 2017 I did twice actually overdose on vapor. The amount I had on those two occasions I could knock back in a seconds now without any adverse reaction but these two times were the most intense reaction I have ever had to any substance and I have consumed many very powerful ones beside cannabis in huge quantities doing harm to my foolish self on countless occasions.

    On these two overdosing occasions my nervous system I believe went into shock and I was violently spasming and shaking every single muscle in my body uncontrollably for over an hour each time it was incredibly severe and uncontrollable all I could do was lie down and tense my entire body up with all of my strength to try and control the shaking, it took everything I had to focus on breathing and to keep breathing I literally felt like it was do or die.

    I have never experienced anything like that on any other drug or cannabis beforehand or ever since it was really unusual, and related to my low tolerance and my nervous system being extremely sensitive and delicate due to long-term Lyme disease damage.

    On both occasions I was shaken but remarkably relieved when I finally felt ok and the reaction bypassed.

    Recently I have began exploring psychedelic compounds again after many years break, in the name of mental and emotional therapy and healing for a great deal of trauma I have incurred over recent years.
    My recent Lsd experiences have been extremely difficult for me due to my physical condition, as well as my nervous system being very sensitive. It has taken great mental strength and resilience to ride out the intense come ups and keep myself from entering a bad trip.

    Physically it was as difficult to endure as pretty much anything but I did an astonishingly good job with my own inner mental dialogue and self coaching and assurance to keep panic firmly and solidly at bay, literally just passing a second at a time then a minute and eventually an hour constantly reassuring myself that you just have to make it to the next milestone in time and sooner or later and gradually things will get easier and easier and lighter and lighter.

    And just keep telling yourself this and reminding yourself your survival is pretty much guaranteed, just focus on that approaching time when you will begin feeling increasingly comfortable and relaxed again.

    Of course it is much easier said than done but we are actually much stronger than we kid ourselves I believe and it does take challenges in life for us to realise and recognise this.

    I have not tripped again since 3 weeks ago because I am waiting until I am in a much better physical condition first I don't want to go through that intensity again, so focus is on healing first. I'm actually making progress and my three LSD trips have been a catalyst for paving the way forward now for me to improve many aspects and areas of my life which I'm already seeing progress in.

    Damn, can't wait though! :2c::)
     
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  3. uncanni

    uncanni Well-Known Member

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    I think we are talking about a wide variety of experiences, and of course, there's no "one size fits all" remedy for getting too high.

    I look at the issue from a spiritual and psychoanalytic perspective, because I believe that Cannabis is Mother Nature's best gift to humans, and she has been with us for tens of thousands of years. I believe that if we allow ourselves to go where she leads us, it will always be good for us. Don't get me wrong: I've had some experiences being too high, but I rode it out without crashing and burning, and the result was a much surer sense of myself. And a much closer bond to Cannabis.

    That's now: I'm 65. I had no idea of how to handle panic-inducing drug experiences when I was 18 or 20. Makes me feel I growed up a little over the past 45 years...
     
  4. analytika

    analytika Well-Known Member

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    Some of the best sleeping pills are anti-anxiety powerhouses. Restoril for one.
     
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  5. Madri-Gal

    Madri-Gal Child Of The Revolution

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    I can't say I panicked. I've never been super fond of the high from edibles, and it was that effect magnified. Madri-Guy was a bit anxious initially, but we discussed what would help, and we're real clear it was the dosage being too high, and just sat and talked, keeping the lights low, petting the dogs and cuddling the cats. We went through the hints to help we heard, but figured we'd just feel sick for awhile. We knew we weren't dying or being poisoned, though we went through the usual history of where we had been, what we had eaten and drank, and what we touched to make sure. That's just being careful.
    Now the plan is to be extremely cautious with edibles. I'm not convinced I enjoy them overall, but sometimes you have cannabis and ABV to get rid of, and I might end up liking them. Might be an acquired taste.
     
  6. Swan

    Swan New Member

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    I haven't had any luck with peppercorns. I drink Gatorade to prevent dehydration and to dilute the effects. I also lie down under a blanket to prevent getting chills.
     
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  7. Krazy

    Krazy Well-Known Member

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    Massive amounts of psychedelic hallucinogens will knock that bad buzz right out of you.





    *but don't.
     
  8. -dab8-

    -dab8- Dyna-saur

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    Tried this. Strongly don’t recommend.
     
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  9. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Try moderate amounts? But I can't recommend edibles on an Lsd trip however. I made an error on my last trip and took a standard coconut oil dose about 4 hours in just as the comeup was settling into a really wonderful, relaxed and fun trip.

    The edible killed the headspace completely, and immediately submerged the visual effects- tracers, sparks, general magnificence. It made me heavy and groggy and unable to keep my head and foot active and happy. It also practically blocked the beneficial introspective side of the experience at the time and in terms of what I was able to extract from it.

    Hence my needs to return for some more in a work minus this era which I won't be making again.

    Vaping is okay at during and throughout a trip, it just massively enhances the psychedelia, for some days afterwards as well every time I vape I instantly have the most incredible, purely happy and free uplifted high, where everything in the world seems brand new.
     

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