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Discussion in 'The Vapor Lounge' started by NYC5IKH5jabi, Feb 23, 2014.

  1. NYC5IKH5jabi

    NYC5IKH5jabi Well-Known Member

    I want to start a new type of thread. after being around here for almost a year I feel like a part of this family. I don't even consider it a community anymore. I have always been very introspective and a deep thinker. a lot of it has to do with undiagnosed ocd and anxiety/depression issues I had growing up in a family where my parents were exhausted just putting food on the table while I had to juggle a foreign nation and language while also coming home from kindergarden to once again learn my mother tongue. either way though I feel those lonely days and helpless desire to share and connect with my peers or teachers or parents has led to my ability to truly be able to think outside of the self. weed was the final additive to my life which then led to me finding out those many truths not only about myself but about others.

    I am more convinced then ever that we as human beings are being forced to live the lives we live. All human behavior is learned except for our natural animal instincts. we learn from the world we live in, so what people grew up into 50 years ago was the cause of their behavior. however, what if just like carl jung theorized, the only way to transcend life itself was to accept ones role in the archtype of the universe.

    it is my feeling that the only thing we humans need to return to the archtype and reestablish the correct way of life that should be passed on to the next gen, is to follow and accept the truth as more important then ones own ego. truths are impartial. they don't pick sides. they are absolute, applicable to all. 2+2 has been 4 even before the earth or stars were created. slavery was wrong even before it began. etc. etc. it is in this manner that I believe that the archtype exists indefinitely and by living as and following the archtype we can also transcend life whilst still alive. in order to do so we must first find out what we do and why we do it. do impartial uncorrupt truths form the motive behind all of your karma(karma in this context is the sum of every word, thought, and action that makes up your collective life)? or is your ego behind your karma?

    I have chosen to experiment on myself for the entirety of my life. every piece of my karma is devoted to the archtypical self as opposed to ego. I would like to share a list of what truths drive me and I would love for you all to share.

    the end result I hope to achieve is to bring us all closer by proving that beyond our ego and the desire to maintain it, we are inherently the same just as carl jung hypothesized. therefore we must all in the end accept that we are meant to live the same also. if something isn't good enough for me, then how could it be okay for you? if something was wrong for you its also not for me.

    truths that govern and motivate all the karma in my life

    I love cars but I can only drive one

    I love clothing but I can only wear one outfit at a time

    nothing material beyond food and water can sustain me all else is unnecessary

    my parents, if everthing goes to plan, should be the first of my close family to be deceased. and so my life should revolve around them just as theirs has always revolved around me

    my brother and sister beyond all other friends or peers are the only ones incapable of sabotaging or wishing ill on my life

    good human beings are born in every corner of the world, into every race and creed

    bad human beings are born in every corner of the world, into every race and creed

    the only life that every human being can follow simultaneously is the life of the householder therefore it the key to humanities next golden age.

    if every family just took care of their own, nearly the entire world would be taken care of.

    if every human just took care of their own neighborhood, nearly the entire world would be taken care of

    if every human being just took care of their city/town, all the towns would be taken care of

    if every human being just took responsibility for the care of their own country, every country would be taken care of

    if every human who chose to put on a religious label (for non spiritual reasons like politics/ego)were then punished if they did not make an effort to actually follow the truths contained within that religion then the children would not lose faith in god.

    if athiests and believers shared the uncorruptable undenieable undebunkable truths that they build their lives around, both sides would benefit indefinitely.

    the life of the king, beggar, priest, homosexual, soldier can not be equally followed by all of society

    please add to this list. I will also add more, theres too many for me to recall at once
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2014
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  2. Vicki

    Vicki Herbal Alchemist

    Honestly, I'm not sure what drives me anymore.
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  3. NYC5IKH5jabi

    NYC5IKH5jabi Well-Known Member

    as a friend I would urge you to please try to find out. you don't want to end up like the old geezers who have nothing left in their life so they go around from casino to casino trying to live a little.
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  4. syrupy

    syrupy Authorized Buyer

    Mom's minivan.
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  5. NYC5IKH5jabi

    NYC5IKH5jabi Well-Known Member

    it really is amazing the love parents shower on children. all the more I cringe when I read about child neglect or even worse. I die a little when I think about how I could have just as easily been born into such a situation.

    all the more reason we need to share and empower in order to make our lives worth it in the end.:smug:
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  6. FrogBoy138

    FrogBoy138 Well-Known Member

    Nice thread I like the idea but as a poker player casinos are a big part of what drives me. What drives me is to better myself not with wealth and material possessions. Beating my mental illness's overcoming manipulation learned from childhood killing my ego, mastering sociology, body language. Learning anything I can daily being nice to my friends and family. My love for animals and nature riding my electric bicycle.
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  7. NYC5IKH5jabi

    NYC5IKH5jabi Well-Known Member

    oh definitely. a little time at the casino wont derail your life, but I was talking about old people who I have literally sat next to or observed at casinos who basically don't seem like theres much going on for them. otherwise why would they be there? I think its amazing to be able to run card games. my mind isn't all that clever for poker. I did however enjoy chess as a kid lol
    I should probably add that I live literally 1 mile away from resorts world casino in nyc. I have lost soo much money that now I only go there to hang out lol they have a great bar and lounge

    have you ever felt like nature was trying to send you a message but it was literally right in front of your eyes 24/7? you just had to "see it"

    the beauty of this list I want to form is that it expresses those truths that we have found on our own. because these truths are not taught by schools or governments. they come from within and nobody can challenge them. the truth really can set one free. living for something other than wealth or materials puts the onus completely on your soul and its link with the other souls you share this world with.
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  8. Vicki

    Vicki Herbal Alchemist

    That won't happen to me, trust me.
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  9. djonkoman

    djonkoman Well-Known Member

    what drives me? fun, pleasure and the experience of life.

    I don't believe life has a meaning or a goal, I don't believe in any supernatural entities. I believe that when I die, my body disintegrates, and I'm gone.
    so therefor I enjoy this oppurtunity that I have to experience things, and have fun. but even when it's not fun for a moment it can still be a good experience, a moment to retell in stories.

    even truth I don't really believe in. ofcourse in my daily life I don't doubt everything, but if I really think about it, there is no guarantuee that anything is real(I think descartes had a very good point here with 'dubito ergo sum', I doubt therefor I know that at least I exist, but his later conclusions I don't agree with)

    I also don't believe in free will btw, since I'm deterministic. that doesn't take anything away from the experience of life though, IMO. the experience is still the same, and it's still awesome
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  10. crawdad

    crawdad floatin

    potano territory
    along the way of my path id say different things have an effect on my direction and they come and go but ultimately the one driving force that i have within my conscious realm would be my children. through my own experiences growing up and later on self enlightenment i have a strong sense that i need to leave this world giving more into it than was given or taken and for me i can think of none better than to give my kids all the things i wish i had and what they deserve to give them a better start than i had, i hope they do the same.

    life, the ultimate trip.
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  11. NYC5IKH5jabi

    NYC5IKH5jabi Well-Known Member

    what if I told you your soul is the supernatural entity? and your soul is what every religion is trying to get you to experience? what if long before Sigmund freud was able to let us know about the ego, religion was teaching us that beyond our ego there is a second part of our conscience, the part that we all at one point or another can feel.

    I never liked the idea of god as portrayed by the media. they just dumb it down to a level where its pretty ridiculous to believe in it. they teach that religions believe in the same type of physical god. but that is inherently untrue. its all about your understanding of the word. for example, think about how humanity came about to begin with. how we end up where we are. anthropology wants you to believe we just one day decided to ask a question, and that is the point where we ceased to be animals and it was from then on that a desire to question and share feelings that led to all we are. however, prior to development of any communication skills, no science has been able to provide the basic causation that led to this important change. so long as you possess the ability to contemplate infinity or anything that can not be truly understood, indirectly you are aware of god(remember god is just a word, just like every other word humans learned to share to share their feelings with each other) you can take out the word god, and put in the word nature. does it really change what I am feeling in my mind?
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  12. djonkoman

    djonkoman Well-Known Member

    well, that is what I mean. I don't believe in any supernatural entity, and that includes the soul. I also can't prove/know for sure that there is no soul, but I see no reason to believe in a soul, no evidence, and not needed to explain things that happen.

    I also don't believe in the division between humans and animals, I believe we are just one species of animal, not superior nor inferior to others, just different. we just view the world from a human viewpoint, so we attach value to the traits humans have/are specialised in(I also wrote a paper on this once for my philosophyclass in highschool, it was my favorite subject).
    if I go a little beyond the basic doubt(everything I see, feel or hear is happening in my brain, so I can never know for sure anything is real), wich in day-to-day lifde serves no purpose, I think that because we are just a species of animal and part of the ecosystem(therefor we depend on it), we should accept our place in nature. live together with animals and plants, adapt our society to be completely sustainable and recycling, and not in a way where we just replace oil with solar panels, but in a way where you could walk trough a city and it looks like walking trough nature, welcoming plants and animals into our living space and managing the ecosystems to suit us, but with a balance where we see the other members of the ecosystem as equal partners, instead of tools to suit us. but that's just my view of utopia, and I don't think I will ever see it realised. but if it is, I would be really excited. (btw, with that I'm not implying anything like mass vegetarianism, I actually don't really understand vegetarianism, I grew up around animals, dying, eating and being eaten is just a part of nature, without it the balance would be lost. I think that is one of the faults in human society right now, we place so much value on human life while still breeding uncontrolled(except the attempt at birthcontrol in china), we have no predators above us, only desease and scarcity controls our numbers and we do our best to eradicate those)
  13. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

    The Evergreen State
    For me, it is to cause no harm to people and animals.
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  14. NYC5IKH5jabi

    NYC5IKH5jabi Well-Known Member

    "As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter." --Max Planck in 1944, indicating that he believed in God.
    Planck regarded the scientist as a man of imagination and faith, "faith" interpreted as being similar to "having a working hypothesis". For example the causality principle isn't true or false, it is an act of faith. Thereby Planck may have indicated a view that points toward Imre Lakatos' research programs process descriptions, where falsification is mostly tolerable, in faith of its future removal.[20] He also said: "Both Religion and science require a belief in God. For believers, God is in the beginning, and for physicists He is at the end of all considerations… To the former He is the foundation, to the latter, the crown of the edifice of every generalized world view"
  15. Philreal187

    Philreal187 Well-Known Member

    To leave this world a little better then how it was for me. I realize we as a human beings think we are king of this world. to me we all live in harmony as one. I think we are over fishing the oceans, factory farming is a modern day holocaust. GMO.... we cant be GOD.. and a general lack of compassion on a whole. people only care for there own greedy needs anymore it seems. Even family treat each other as enemies. We are the product of a world gone wrong. How can we take the turn and start a more natural wholesome life and share this earth as it was intended to be..?? It starts with the image in the mirror. I believe that leading by example will show people how to take the steps to do what is right instead of how to make a 1000 excuses. There is no short cuts in life, to me its plain like black and white. You can do what is right or do what is wrong based of your knowledge you have gained through life. Those that do wrong and are ignorant to the fact will learn, those that do wrong and know its wrong well all you can do is hope they come to there senses before something comes there way. What goes around comes around there is an important balance to life and we are tipping the scale toward the dark negative ways. If we don't change soon I'm afraid we will be victims of our own demise. So everyday its important to try and do what is right ALL the time not just when convenient.
    No one person can do everything, But everyone can do something.

    Peace and Much Love
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