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Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by Magic9, Mar 25, 2016.

  1. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    I am against "per se" limits for all drugs/alcohol for the very reasons you mention. Look into the history of the development of a per se limit on alcohol (and breath testing of it) sometime and all the assumptions, roundings and kinda-abouts in developing the limit. Don't worry, only a few people will be statistically convicted of a crime they shouldn't have.
    Of course, when ANY amount is illegal (Drivers under 21 having zero tolerance statute.), we're not talking about if a person has been impaired but if the measuring is accurate within statistical error.
     
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  2. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Sonoma County supervisors to debate neighbors’ concerns about marijuana
    A high-stakes debate about where legal marijuana should be grown in Sonoma County comes before the Board of Supervisors Tuesday in a discussion about rewriting local rules for cannabis cultivation amid pressure from rural neighbors who want pot kept away from their homes.

    Some residents have banded together to protest cannabis cultivation in their areas, saying they are becoming unwilling neighbors to a plant that still attracts violent criminals looking for the high-dollar crop. Cannabis industry leaders warn tougher regulations would harm those trying to follow the laws, and could force growers into the black market, exacerbating public safety and environmental problems.
     
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  3. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v4.0a (unstable) Staff Member

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    I just deleted three posts that were not about the topic, but the same old political head-butting. Political discussion in this thread is fine if it is about Californians and the AUMA but these posts were just general sniping between left and right.
     
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  4. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    Get your (temporary) permits updated!

    https://mjbizdaily.com/california-reminds-marijuana-firms-temporary-licenses-set-to-expire/

    California cannabis regulators are alerting marijuana companies that temporary business permits that took effect at the start of the year will begin expiring at the end of April.

    Regulators issued the temporary permits during the state’s transition into a new marijuana regulatory system.

    The permits took effect beginning New Year’s Day and were valid for 120 days, depending on when they were issued.

    They will begin lapsing April 30, according to notices sent out by the three agencies that oversee the industry.

    Regulators are also telling temporary license holders they have the option to renew the temporary permits for an additional 90 days if they need more time to submit permanent license applications.

    The California Department of Food and Agriculture – which licenses growers – began sending out reminder notices April 3.

    The Department of Public Health, which oversees manufacturers, and the Bureau of Cannabis Control, which oversees all other types of plant-touching companies, soon followed suit with their own notices.

    More information on licensing can be found at the state’s Cannabis Portal.​
     
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    dabonem Member

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  6. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Marijuana is part of its religion, says California church fighting to stay open

    An Inland church that uses marijuana to worship is embroiled in a bitter dispute with Jurupa Valley, which alleges the Vault Church of Open Faith is primarily a pot store and has been trying to shut it down for more than a year.

    An association representing the church and about 15 others like it fired back Friday, April 13, filing a claim against the city seeking $1.2 million in damages and alleging harassment and discrimination. Church leaders say they smoke marijuana or eat edibles as part of spiritual meditation as a religious sacrament, but city officials say they’re using religion as a front for selling pot.
     
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  7. grampa_herb

    grampa_herb CO2 oil bigot

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    which is.....a holy activity....
     
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  8. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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  9. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    GOP candidate for California governor: Marijuana users should be hospitalized

    Businessman John Cox of Rancho Santa Fe, a Republican running for California governor, says that marijuana users should be hospitalized.

    He said that California should implement a system akin to the one in Portugal, where people who are found with small amounts of drugs can receive mandatory medical treatment but aren’t charged with a crime.
     
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  10. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    WTF! cannabis users are already treated... it's why they medicate - what in the Hell man
     
  11. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    California pot shops about to be on the hook for steep state fees, background checks
    California sought to jump-start its marijuana industry in January by giving businesses temporary, 120-day permits that briefly waived big fees and other costly requirements, but that grace period is ending and many say the expense and red tape of getting a regular license is a headache.Some pot shops face fees of $73,000 before they can get a regular annual license from the state Bureau of Cannabis Control. Costly upgrades to security and product testing also kick in soon, and sellers and growers will have to pass a background check that could disqualify anyone with serious criminal records.


     
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  12. OldNewbie

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    But, at least they're trying to extend things because of their own misfeasance:
    https://www.ocregister.com/2018/04/30/state-gives-marijuana-businesses-more-time-for-compliance/
    The transition to a fully regulated cannabis industry is taking California a bit longer than anticipated.

    While state regulators scramble to extend temporary marijuana business licenses, they’re also considering whether to extend a grace period that gives operators extra time to comply with strict new industry standards.

    As of Monday, a tenth of the 6,000 temporary cannabis licenses state regulators have issued were set to expire by May 1, which marks the four-month anniversary of the start of legal recreational marijuana sales in California. A third of all existing licenses were due to lapse by the start of June.

    The state hasn’t issued any full annual licenses yet. And the first approvals are likely still at least four weeks out.

    Instead, regulators are extending provisional permits for another 90 days while businesses deal with complex regulations, backlogs in getting local approval and, it seems, their own procrastination....​
     
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  13. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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  14. Silver420Surfer

    Silver420Surfer Well-Known Member

    I promise you there is such a thing a too dank lol. I hate to admit, there are times when you're working with hundreds+ flowering plants and the smell(to me a cannabis lover) can really overwhelm to the point of a bit sickening/nauseous. I can imagine that not being pleasant to those who aren't cannabis users. But when compared to all the malodorous scents(many of which are actually dangerous to humans/atmosphere/etc) from the meat processing plants, gas stations, steel/coke/refineries, other industries, vehicle pollution,etc., suck it up and deal with it Carpinterians at least its not gonna kill you. In fact your property values will probably go up there.

    I'll trade them my 2nd worst air quality in the whole US(Fuck You to those who say having a USS coke plant a mile from ur home is no cause for worry, nothing but abnormal cancer and asthma rates from the yellow-grey plumes you leak into our town...end rant sorry)
     
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  15. looney2nz

    looney2nz Research Geek, Mad Scientist

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    but there IS something to be said for using blackout greenhouses (sun during the day, blackout panels and lights all night) with air control... this will become even more important and common as time moves on, folks with a Hemp Forest nearby (coming soon to your area <we HOPE!>) could ruin EVERYTHING for a recreational grower. Now imagining a NOT accidental, more nefarious uses... yikes!
    Yeah, secure property/building, air control, positive pressure threshold, etc.
    More polite to whatever neighbors there might be nearby. Better pest control too, no?
     
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  16. Silver420Surfer

    Silver420Surfer Well-Known Member

    The article states "Virtually all of Carpinteria's licenses are for small, "mixed-light" facilities, which essentially means greenhouses.", but when comparing to outdoor, open air grow, I pretty much agree with your sentiments.
     
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  17. looney2nz

    looney2nz Research Geek, Mad Scientist

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    and even for individuals, if they can make an indoor grow tent that does air control (get your activated carbon here!!!), they should be able to make an outdoor setup for the home enthusiast as well (not to mention the DIY crowd prolly has already done it!) :)
     
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  18. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Silicon Valley’s latest big idea is Tupperware parties for marijuana

    On the premiere episode of Converge, Houseparty co-founder and chief operating officer Sima Sistani comes on to tell us about her big idea: Tupperware parties for marijuana — or, as she puts it, “Stella & Dot for pot.” With weed becoming legal in more states, people are curious about what they might enjoy. If you don’t feel comfortable visiting a dispensary, maybe you’d prefer to bring an expert to your house, along with some samples for you and your friends?
     
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  20. OldNewbie

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    Does cannabis cause cancer? Science says no. California says yes. Dispensary fined for not warning consumers about the cancerous weed.
    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8358890-181/santa-rosa-cannabis-dispensary-fined?sba=AAS
    Santa Rosa cannabis dispensary Sonoma Patient Group has agreed to pay $40,000 in fines and civil penalties for not providing sufficient state-mandated warning information about potentially cancer-causing substances in products at its Cleveland Avenue retail store, Sonoma County District Attorney officials said.

    In a settlement reached with prosecutors May 10, the dispensary also will hold an educational event to ensure other cannabis businesses in the county understand how to comply with the California’s Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, commonly known as Proposition 65, which requires businesses provide clear warnings to consumers about substances that could cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm.

    The case started in 2017 with a complaint from the Sacramento-based Center for Advanced Public Awareness, a private consumer safety company that looks for Proposition 65 violations.

    Sonoma Patient Group founder and owner John Sugg said the dispensary had consumer warnings posted on-site which he believed complied with state law. Once they were notified about the complaint, they changed the wording, he said.

    Founded in 2007, Sonoma Patient Group is the longest-running dispensary in Santa Rosa.

    Sugg said in a statement that many studies have shown cannabis smoke does not cause cancer, but he noted that California in 2009 added cannabis to a list of chemicals requiring consumer warnings due to Proposition 65.

    Prop. 65 warnings ensure people can make informed decisions about the products they consume, District Attorney Jill Ravitch said.
    At least the feds will help with the state's tax police even though all the other policing services they provide are not wanted.
    https://mjbizdaily.com/feds-team-with-california-officials-to-combat-illegal-marijuana-grows/
    One of California’s U.S. attorneys is joining forces with the state attorney general in a renewed effort to crack down on illegal cannabis growers while allowing licensed marijuana companies to continue doing business as usual.

    McGregor Scott, the U.S. attorney for the eastern district of California, announced this week that his office will be bringing $2.5 million in federal funds to the state fight against unlicensed MJ cultivators, which he said are still the priority and not licensed companies working within California’s newly regulated cannabis market.

    “The reality of the situation is there is so much black-market marijuana in California that we could use all of our resources going after just the black market and never get there,” Scott said.
    “For right now, our priorities are to focus on what have been historically our federal law enforcement priorities: interstate trafficking, organized crime and the federal public lands.”

    The news is the latest development in an ongoing atmosphere of uncertainty for legal cannabis companies that are struggling to compete with businesses that continue to sell marijuana without paying the taxes and fees incurred by law-abiding firms.

    It also emphasizes that, at least for now, federal authorities will continue to let states take the lead in overseeing their own marijuana markets, despite the plant’s federal status as a Schedule 1 controlled substance.
    It seems they stomped down any talk of reducing the excise tax to compete with grey and black market cannabis. Pity. But, some good laws are still possible if acted upon by June 1.
    https://mjbizdaily.com/key-california-marijuana-bills-face-june-1-hurdle-at-state-capitol/
     
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  21. Adobewan

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    One of the most frustrating things about this era of "alternate facts" is that science and truth can be blatantly ignored. How can any politician get away with saying there is no medical use when the US government has had the patent on it FOR medicinal use for many years?
    Hope I wake up soon.
     
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  22. OldNewbie

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    The cool thing will be, those who violated previous cannabis laws are supposed to have convictions removed. (At least for minor offenses.) But, now that we're talking government gravy cannabis laws, there will be no sanctuary.

    https://mjbizdaily.com/142-people-charged-los-angeles-crackdown-illegal-marijuana-businesses/
    Prosecutors brought the first criminal charges against 142 people as they aim to tamp down the illegal marijuana market in Los Angeles after the state legalized recreational use in January.

    The charges involve employees of 32 commercial cannabis companies and a business that delivers marijuana, City Attorney Mike Feuer said.

    Recreational cannabis businesses must be licensed by both the city and state. So far, only 147 city licenses have been issued to sell recreational marijuana in Los Angeles.
    Since the beginning of the year, officers targeting illegal marijuana businesses have served 54 search warrants and arrested 160 people, which includes the 142 people charged by the city attorney, said Lt. Stacy Spell of the LAPD’s Gang and Narcotics Division.

    Investigators have prioritized going after shops that cause crime and generate complaints from the community, he said.

    “We’ve tried to be very responsible with taxpayer money, understanding that we have limited resources and are not able to necessarily address all of the locations,” Spell said.

    In addition to the misdemeanor criminal charges, the city attorney’s office will send cease-and-desist letters to other illegal cannabis businesses identified by prosecutors, Feuer said. He declined to say how many letters would be sent.

    Earlier this year, state regulators sent similar letters to roughly 1,000 marijuana businesses they said were operating illegally statewide.
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    On a different topic, some are suspicious of the fed's help in eliminating illegal cannabis mentioned a couple of posts ago:
    https://mjbizdaily.com/week-in-revi...regon-halts-licensing-michigans-mmj-travails/
    Federal ‘Trojan horse’?

    A cannabis industry insider is suspicious after one of California’s U.S. attorneys announced plans to add $2.5 million in federal money to the state’s enforcement efforts against illegal cannabis growers.

    “There’s a Trojan horse component to this that keeps coming into my mind,” said Menaka Mahajan, a San Francisco marijuana consultant.
    “Is this a way for the federal government, for the Justice Department, to increase its enforcement in California in the short term as a way of potentially taking some different action in the long term?”

    Mahajan said repeatedly she’s “skeptical” of the combined enforcement effort, mostly because U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions revoked the Cole Memo in January.

    She also noted the U.S. attorney who made the announcement – McGregor Scott – is a Trump administration appointee.

    “If they’re really just trying to help California enforce its state laws, without imposing federal law … you could put that under the umbrella of the federal government deciding to subsidize state efforts for (MJ) legalization that it doesn’t support,” Mahajan said. “It just doesn’t make sense to me.”

    If federal and state officials continue targeting only illegal businesses – which Scott said is his plan – the move could benefit legal companies, Mahajan said.

    “I think the regulated industry will appreciate the action taken on the unregulated industry,” she said. “(The black market is) clearly undercutting their ability, because compliance costs are such a heavy lift for businesses that are trying to enter that regulated market.

    “But in the long term, I just don’t know. If the Cole Memo had not been revoked earlier this year, I might feel very differently.”​
     
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  23. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    I live in WA state. Many folks with cannabis felonies were let go but other folks have been arrested and had to spend a lot of money in court fees. The state wasn’t fair when they gave out cannabis licenses. They lied to the mom and pop medical stores that they would be grandfathered in if they had been paying their taxes. Well that didn’t happen.

    One of my fave medical shop was given until the end of the month to close down, like 2 years ago. The sheriff didn’t want the cannabis on the streets to be sold illegally. Then a week later they were raided. Treated very unfairly a husband and wife that has a family. They had a daughter that had been treated with cannabis for cancer just a few years before. They would give out free cannabis to the folks on limited incomes, many elderly and disables. The owners of the med cannabis shop was left with thousands of dollars in legal bills.

    There will be cannabis shops in CA that will probably deal with some of the same issues.

    We don’t have medical cannabis stores any longer. Basically its “recreational.” There isn’t the medical information that patients were able to get from bud tenders and the store owners. Most of the bud tenders are 22 year old stoners. There is no more medibles at prices patients can afford. Be careful what you wish for.

    I hope CA can do a better job than WA state for their medical patients. Also the medical clinic that I went to, to get my medical authorization has gone out of business. They are under investigation from the state. If I want a medical authorization I need to go 30 mi to get one. The clinic that I went to had all my medical info in their files. Where the hell did all of that go? As you can tell I’m pissed. So right now I have no med cannabis card. I have Kaiser Permanente through my work medical insurance and they don’t give out cannabis authorizations. They prefer pharmaceuticals.
     
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  24. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    Yeah recreational/retail cannabis freakin' sucks, compared to medical dispensaries.
    I suppose the pharma lobbyists are even stronger than the liquor lobbyists :uhh:

    :myday:
     
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