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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by Chinggwow, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. 420democrat

    420democrat Well-Known Member

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    As long as the mix is heavy in dilutant I haven't had any separation, when there isn't enough dilutant it'll separate into two layers

    Distillate doesn't need dilution, you add terpenes load and get loaded... what I do for shatter batter is make 30ml bottles at a time
    So like there's a watermelon and an original on my desk pre made I load m/refill my ecig as needed

    Discovering shatter batter was cool, eliminated portable vapes from my daily routines, so much more discreet and so much easier
    Click vape and vape and continue on with your day nobody knowing you just medicated

    I had to convince a coworker I was sick once cuz he wanted to try my juice...lol
     
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  2. Chinggwow

    Chinggwow New Member

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    I think it has to with your concentrate. As far as whats in how it was made. Yayaya. Will determine how well the liquidzer works and separates imo. Just my 2cents.
     
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  3. maxymods

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    Thanks guys! I’ll probablg give it a go. Is the flavor/harshness bad? Would it be comparable to a normal ejuice(with nic or no nic)
     
  4. Kharnics

    Kharnics Member

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    @420democrat

    Awesome, I will give those terp companies a try. Delta9 seems like the same kind of thing, Strain specific but not derived, we shall see about quality. I will start low like you suggested, I planned on using the Terps for flavor more than anything so I'll try a drop or two. Got another question in the tanks you use. I assume you are using a cotton coil or the RBA section for the Smok tank & CCell coils for the Veco? My question is why use cotton at all? Do you think vg/pg/PEG dilutants perform better in a cotton wicked coil? I ask because I'd rather stick to CCell all around. I plan on using the veco with a pg/PEG/vg dilutant. I'm not new to vaping, just vaping concentrates. I rebuild all my own atomizers and kinda despise cotton coils! Any incite will help! Thanks!
     
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  5. Kharnics

    Kharnics Member

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    @maxymods

    I've used wax liquidizer and have never had separation issues. Also have used Vapeur extracts Clear and that has not separated yet either, going on about 4 days. And like @Chinggwow said it really depends on the "state" and quality of the extract.
     
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  6. Silver420Surfer

    Silver420Surfer Well-Known Member

    Garbage in, garbage out.
    Quality in, quality out.

    :2c:


    (also, according to WL's website, they say to heat and stir again if it seperates.)
     
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  7. 420democrat

    420democrat Well-Known Member

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    i Tried doing wickless but honestly ejuice tanks just hit so much better and give a much more satisfying vapors. I was giving myself a head rush sucking little pens chasing hits I wanted. Wickless is fine with distillate but for the ejuice mixes I strongly prefer ejuice tanks
     
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  8. Kharnics

    Kharnics Member

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    @420democrat & @Chinggwow


    I tried a more diluted mix with much better results. This mixture of .6 to 3ml of VE w/ .2ml of gorilla glue terps is vaping much better. Not getting dark as the mixture goes down in the tank. I over terped this a bit, and needed to let it sit in the sun for a minute and it was a little too powerful for quarter of the tank until the coil got a little dirty. This was all out of a Veco tank, .5 ceramic coils @ around 20 watts. So experiment pretty much successful. Thanks guys!
     
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  9. 420democrat

    420democrat Well-Known Member

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    Awesome man!! Glad it worked out and enjoy!!!
     
  10. Kharnics

    Kharnics Member

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    @420democrat

    I'm with you on trying to make the little ceramic carts work, not too stealthy when you gotta hit the MF ten times ;) My concern with ceramic vs. Cotton wicks is that the cotton will get nasty faster than the ceramic and will need changing more often. This is soley based off using ceramic coils for ejuice after using cotton coils for ejuice for a long time. The flavor just lasts longer in terms of flavor. How long are the Smok coils lasting you? In the ejuice world they are not known for there longevity.
     
  11. Outbound

    Outbound New Member

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    Finally posting after referencing these posts for about a year, and thought it was time to dump some experience/observations in here to help others.

    I started using the Vaporesso tanks back early in the summer, also diluting shatter with Wax Liquidizer (I've tried Holy Terps and some others too, came back to Wax Liquidizer for now).

    So far I've extensively used the Guardian and both Veco's - the 2ml and 4ml plus. I have found that the Veco hands down worked better than the Guardian in terms of quality of hit and duration of coil. The primary advantages of the Guardian - leak proof, more damage resistant - have not been issues with my Veco either, so I have completely stopped using the Guardian with no regrets.

    I also found that the 4ml Veco Plus works much better than the 2ml version - larger hits, richer hits, longer duration of coil, and fewer nasty/burnt hits. If I had to speculate, I'd say the larger chamber and wider gaps between the middle chimney and outer glass allow for a more favorable flow of concentrate into the coil. If you've played with this stuff enough, you've witnessed your concentrate sort of magnetically sticking in those smaller gaps even though its completely liquid. It's sort of like a suction effect that the 4ml tank is less prone to.

    I'm using a temp control mod - the VooPoo Drag. I tweak my settings a lot - usually the TC setting I run is 1400, but I've rolled it back to about 1380 recently. Temperate setting generally sits at 425F, but I roll around 420-435 often depending on temperate/the coil, etc. It's a lot of feel at this point. Wattage sat on 33W for months (it never reaches this in TC mode anyway), but I've rolled back to 25W lately because I've recently been killing coils much quicker.

    Speaking of Coils, I used the .5ohm ceramic EUCs. I found these had larger holes than the .3s, which is why I've rolled with them. I haven't ever seen one read at .5, however. In fact, over the months they've gotten lower-and-lower, recently usually around the .430-.445 range. I'm just chalking this up to shoddiness in the manufacturing process?

    In terms of prepping/priming coils, I've begun the practice of constantly having my next coil soaking in a small vial of concentrate. I used to go maybe 4-5 days between coils, but recently its been about every two days (I do have a lot of friends using it in social situations, so amateur hands likely help burn them out faster). I understand this is a luxury, since I generally have a good supply and thus spare product to just let these soak in, and not everyone could practice this.

    Now all that being said, while i feel like the Veco Plus 4ml is the best thing I've come across, I'm not 100% satisfied - I'm still looking for that better tank.

    I've noticed the new Cascade tank on their site - I'm back and forth about trying. That quad-coil looks like it could do a better job of soaking up concentrate for nice rich hits. Also, I find the Veco burns coils out from the top, and my hunch is that the concentrate is coming from beneath that point, so it's not always making the climb up against gravity. The cascade seems like it would eliminate that issue since it's all spilling down from above the coils? But those tiny holes are sort of concerning. Also I know people don't like bottom airflow due to leaks - I've had mixed experiences there. Anyone tried it?
     
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  12. Chinggwow

    Chinggwow New Member

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    Funny you bring up the cascade. Ive been looking at it too! But here is my rant on what ive been looking at. Vaperesso seems to be a good brand of choice. But for me i think im miss led. All the rant is ccell. Seems to be a good answer to our thicker juice. Im a big fan of indoortokers and the dab spot on utube.
    They and others say ccell is the way to go. But if you look at a real ccell cartridge there is no cotton an them at all. As u might notice the ecu ccell coil has cotton around it,why if its a ccell. The veco and cascade have the ecu ccell. However vaperesso does have a real ccell with no cotton and its gold in color.

    https://www.vaporesso.com/vape-atomizers-vape-tanks-gemini-vape-tank

    This is the tank ive been thinking about trying because it uses from what ive found is a real ccell. From my understandings is any ceramic coil is a ccell. But a real ccell has no cotton.

    The cascade is a real good looking tank but i want to try ccell with no cotton.

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  13. Chinggwow

    Chinggwow New Member

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    The cascade comes with the attachment to use the smok and other coils. But im wondering if that attachment will take the gold ccell?
     
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  14. Kharnics

    Kharnics Member

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    @Chinggwow


    Per Vaporesso's website.
    "-Does the CCELL contain any cotton at all?
    The CCELL heating element is completely wickless. But there is a piece of organic cotton around outside of the ceramic, but not against the heating wire. It acts as a gasket to protect the ceramic and ensure a tight seal between the ceramic and the metal shell and prevent leakage. The heating process is happened within the ceramic cylinder."


    Also look here: http://ccell.com/


    I'm pretty sure that ccell company and vaporesso have nothing to do with each other or they do and it's an behind closed doors deals and they don't make it known. They are very similar products, but are different slightly in design. Ccell prolly holds a cannabis delivery system patent and vaporesso holds a nicotine one so they are able to both have the name in their different markets.
     
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  15. Chinggwow

    Chinggwow New Member

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    @Kharnics yes you are correct. And i shouldn't of posted the ccell vid link. Im more talking the link to vaperesso if you look at it the gold"ccell" say no burnt cotton but the ecu ccell have cotton.
     
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  16. 420democrat

    420democrat Well-Known Member

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    Imo ccell just means ceramic coil and cotton not touching the wire
    I've seen the term used more and more

    The veco really shines with uncut concentrate like terp+ shatter or distillate
    Same as the ccell little carts
     
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  17. Chinggwow

    Chinggwow New Member

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    Any hoot anyone got there hands on the cascase
     
  18. DTLA

    DTLA New Member

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    I can't find any veco plus or devil's without ordering from Hong Kong - and I want now - or from ebay which I dont trust to be legit.

    I'm now looking at the cascade. I have no experience though. What makes it or any bottom flow leak?
     
  19. Chinggwow

    Chinggwow New Member

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    I had the same problem with my veco. The mod kit vaperesso nano comes with veco tank. You might be able to find at a local shop
     
  20. maxymods

    maxymods Well-Known Member

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    Have you tried yours with terp+shatter or only shatter+shatter batter?
     
  21. 420democrat

    420democrat Well-Known Member

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    Yes I have a veco running just dissalate + terp
    Have not played with shatter much lately as I stockpiled distalate jars

    And have 2 30ml bottles of shatter batter i premade ages ago
     
  22. DTLA

    DTLA New Member

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    Is shatter batter better than liquid wax?
     
  23. DTLA

    DTLA New Member

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    Thanks. All the Nanos I found either had an NRG tank or the 2ml veco.

    BUT...I searched a list. on Reddit
    https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/wiki/supplier_list

    And found the Vaporesso Nebula kit had the 4ml+ at a shop in Miami.
    https://fugginvapor.com/products/nebula-kit?variant=36365396487

    Now I'm trying to decide on Clapton or ceramic coils and ohms, which I have to order elsewhere.

    I.am still trying to decide.between liquid.wax and shatter batter though.
     
  24. Kharnics

    Kharnics Member

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    @DTLA

    I use the 2ml Veco and it works great. I haven't tried the NRG but it looks like it's gonna be a juice hog, as it will take a bit of juice just to saturate the coils. It may vape ok, but it's a sub-ohm tank made for big clouds. I'm not sure it's the right gear for the application. The lower the ohm on the coil the more watts you will have to push to the coil to make vapor. So low ohms means high wats to get desirable results. Something to think about. I would go with ceramic coils either way. As for WL or Shatter Batter, I have tried WL and love it. Have not tried shatter batter but have some waiting to be tried. I've gathered from some reviews shatter batter is a bit more stealthy with its flavoring and added VG for cloudage, making it appear more nicotine vaping. WL does have the flavored stuff too but no added VG for cloud. just my 2 cents!
     
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  25. Kharnics

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    www.elementvape.com

    Has the Veco one starter kit for 25 and the Tarot Nano for 49.

    I'm not sure you could ever buy the Veco tank by itself in the states. Maybe the 4ml version at one time.

    This wasn't a terribly popular tank in the nicotine world.

    I own the Nano kit. It's a great little mod.
     
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