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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by stonemonkey55, Nov 12, 2008.

  1. Acolyte of Zinglon

    Acolyte of Zinglon Wizard-Ninja

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    personally im trying to decide between the vhw and e for my next vape... the herbalaire is also a vape of interest but i dont know much of anything about it other than snippets ive read here
    leaning towards the vhw, but id need to get a larger bong than i have, which would be more dfficult to hide

    not a decision ill be making for a while but everybody knows how obsessive and indecisive i can be :lol: :uhoh:
    i try to keep it mostly to myself this time though ;)
     
  2. captainwolf

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    Considering the herbalair has a teflon mouth peice, I would pass on that. However, they do claim the intake air does not flow directly over the element, so that is a plus.
     
  3. max

    max Bingo Coordinator Staff Member

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    Considering you think anything in the vapor path but glass is toxic, big surprise. :rolleyes:
     
  4. captainwolf

    captainwolf Well-Known Member

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    Your entitled to your opinion, but I'm going to base my judgement on research findings. I recommend to anyone that they investigate a product and its components before purchasing. And yes teflon is toxic. If it doesn't flake off its probably not a problem, but I wouldn't take the risk since it would go right in my lung... I'm not trying to fight with you, I just err on the side of caution and recommend the same to anyone regardless of whether they want to follow that advice or not. :/
     
  5. marcuss

    marcuss above the clouds

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    It's about 3 years that periodically i can see someone talking like you. It is nice to see that you are concerned about this issue and please when you finish with researches let us know if you still breathe or if you need a hiperbaric room like Micheal Jackson :D

    We all try to avoid the crap out there.....this is THE target for this forum...so help us keep the target but please do not create useless fears without facts!
     
  6. stonemonkey55

    stonemonkey55 Chief Vapor Officer Manufacturer

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    The good news is, the silicone sleeve is removeable, so if you have any concerns about it, you can always use it without it. Personally, I think it adds enough functionality to the VHW where I will choose to keep mine on, but prior to having the sleeve, this thing still kicked ass. Happy turkey day everyone!
     
  7. max

    max Bingo Coordinator Staff Member

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    the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says that ingesting small particles of Teflon flaked off into food is not known to cause any health maladies.
    http://environment.about.com/od/healthenvironment/a/safecookware.htm

    Obviously there's no consensus, so your claim amounts to an opinion.

    If your standard approach is to join a forum and immediately state that pretty much all the equipment that the members are using is toxic, without providing any evidence to support your claims, I think it's safe to say that you're gonna rub a lot of people the wrong way. If you choose to use only vapes with an all glass vapor path, feel free, but if you continue to denigrate the vapes that other members use, without providing any evidence for your viewpoint, expect to be challenged. In fact, I suggest you read the forum rules if you haven't done so already. I also suggest you interpret the 'no harrassment' rule to include not slamming most of the popular vapes as toxic. We have people posting on forums (with certainty) that the Volcano isn't safe because it uses an aluminum block heat exchanger. I'd say testing by the University of Leiden that gives it the safety stamp is more believeable than forum rumors that people read and propagate as fact. Your conviction that high quality stainless steel isn't safe to use in a vape already puts your credibility at ground level.

    You've already made your position clear. Talk all you want about your preferences in a vape, but in the future I suggest you keep your unsubstantiated claims of toxicity to yourself, unless you make it clear that it's just your opinion and you have no evidence to support it. You can consider my suggestion to be an official forum warning. We're not going to allow this forum to contribute to the spreading of unfounded rumors.
     
  8. captainwolf

    captainwolf Well-Known Member

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    Teflon is a highly controversial chemical, and yes there is evidence that it causes cancer, but nothing is 100% conclusion:

    "Studies show these chemicals can migrate into food directly from the packaging, especially when heated. PFOS and PFOA have been found in more than 98 percent of Americans? blood, and an Environmental Working Group study detected the chemicals in the umbilical cord blood of 10 of 10 newborn babies. PFOA and PFOS never break down, persisting in the environment indefinitely."

    "PFOA is considered by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency?s Science Advisory Board to be a likely carcinogen and a chemical that induces breast tumors in animals. In addition, PFOA and PFOS have been linked to problem pregnancies and developmental complications."

    http://www.news-medical.net/?id=11441

    And yes Teflon does offgas, it actually poses problems for birds living in your home (as they are more sensitive to air toxins, hence why carnaries were used in mines to detect gas leaks).
    http://www.ewg.org/node/8305

    I'm not arguing with you anymore Max, my beleifs are based on evidence I have looked at. Is it controversial? Yes, so is the aluminum/Alzheimer's connection. But yes, I am going to err on the side of caution and will recommend anyone else to. All they have to do is compare studies and make a decision for themselves.
     
  9. stickstones

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    Thanks for posting those links, captainwolf. After reading those, I'd say one should at least consider these articles when making a decision regarding teflon.

    If you continue to post your concerns about health with that kind of support, I don't think you will have any problems around here.

    Anyone care to debunk these articles? And, if so, please do it in the herbalaire thread.
     
  10. stonemonkey55

    stonemonkey55 Chief Vapor Officer Manufacturer

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    Captainwolf, those are very interesting articles. I really think at the end of the day, it is always better to err on the side of caution. My i-inhale for example, is supposed to be made from all these FDA approved plastics and while I appreciate the R&D that went into the choosing of these materials, I still don't feel 100% safe using it. It doesn't take a genius for you to find numerous examples of substances that were once considered safe by the FDA but were later found to be toxic. My point is, even if they say something is 100% safe, I think it would be foolish to be into it 100%. As long as we continue to question, to do additional research, you will get closer to the truth. In the meantime, you can always stick to all glass set ups like the one that I'm using in this thread.
     
  11. vtac

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    Actually please make a new thread for discussing the safety of materials. Doing it in these model threads amounts to pissing people off and derailing the thread.
     
  12. captainwolf

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    monkey, when is the wand going to be available? Is he setting a limit on how many you can purchase for the bro-sale?
     
  13. stonemonkey55

    stonemonkey55 Chief Vapor Officer Manufacturer

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    he said that he might be able to begin fulfilling orders next tuesday. I think you can purhase as many as you would like at the bro price. Email him at info@vriptech.com and I'm sure he can work somethi g out for you. You wouldn't believe how popular the vhw has been over the holidays. The Vaporfection got a little bit of love but the vhw was almost in consistent rotation. It was very interesting to see some peoplle gravitate towards the pd, Vaporfection and the vhw. I found that the people that liked the pd seemed to favor blunts and joints while the bong folks preferred the vhw. People were extremely pleased with the performance , convenience, and taste and might have even converted a few folks over to vaporizing. It's really interesting to see how one simple change can change people's perspective on whether or not they would use a vaporizer. Being able to mimic the lighter to the bong ritual seemed to go over really well with the guests. Def made for an even happier thanksgiving
     
  14. captainwolf

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    Is he on vacation or is he actively responding to emails over the holidays?
    Is there a warranty on the VHW?
     
  15. stonemonkey55

    stonemonkey55 Chief Vapor Officer Manufacturer

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    Not sure what the warranty is, I'm sure everything is covered except the glass itself. I can try and find out. Not sure if he is actively returnng emails over the holidays, pretty much a one persn shop. Emailing him would be the only way to find out. In the meantime, I will take a morning vape for the holidays.
     
  16. captainwolf

    captainwolf Well-Known Member

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    Monkey, is it possible to turn the VHW into a hands free device similar to the Herborizer? I was thinking some how maybe using a lab stand to hold the wand and using a glass piece similar in design and shape as the Sphere Herborizer and just hang the wand over the bowl. What you think?
     
  17. captainwolf

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    Also, how can you tell if your water pieces are 9.5 mm or 12mm for the VCB?
    I know there is nothing wrong with stainless steel, but you never really know if the screens are "pure" stainless steel or a composite. So my second question is: is there a way to use the VCB with a glass screen?
     
  18. stonemonkey55

    stonemonkey55 Chief Vapor Officer Manufacturer

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    I think with some work you can get it to be hands free. I have talked to Mark requesting for a hands free version, so maybe some time in the future. I don't think it would take too much to create something that you could prop the VHW up against to get it to function more like the Herborizer, just a little trial and error

    As far as figuring out whether or not you have a 9.5 or 12mm stem, I'm not too sure how you would measure that but I am guess, most of the newer pieces use a 12mm stem. You can probably find an online dealer to get pure stainless steel screens and I have not ever seen a glass screen before but if you have one, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use it with your VCB.

    I think you will be happy with the fact that even the heating element is encapsulated in glass, so the air never comes in contact with the ceramic. Herbo looks a little cleaner and offers the hands free. The VHW offers a more modular design and induces the venturi effect for more efficient vaping. You can't go wrong with whatever you choose.
     
  19. captainwolf

    captainwolf Well-Known Member

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    I have some older pieces and would like to know before I order a VCB. Glass screens are more like a plug that air can pass through the sides. They are very small and they look nothing like a metal screen. If the VCB has a big intake hole then the glass screen won't fit. However, I have heard of perforated glass screens sorta similar to glass screens, but I've never found them.
     
  20. Acolyte of Zinglon

    Acolyte of Zinglon Wizard-Ninja

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    glass screens
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    does the vhw work with standard bowls or is the special bowl a must?
     
  21. stonemonkey55

    stonemonkey55 Chief Vapor Officer Manufacturer

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    I think the vhw will work fine with the glass screen, that is very interesting indeed. You could probably get the VHW to work without the lower intake bowl but I think you will lose a bit of efficiency that way. I am going to send Mark an email tonite asking if he can just bundle the VHW and the intake as a special to the folks that are pre-ordering on the forums. I guess a good analogy to use would be, would you buy a ferrari and stick some generic tires on there? Sure the ferrari will still function, but it won't be the bad ass machine it is meant to be. Now apply that same thing to the VHW...

    Wolf, try measuring the inside diameter of your stem, that should give you an idea if you need 9 or 12 mm siZe
     
  22. Honey Bear

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    As an ex-VRIP die-hard who simply got sick of the damn heatgun, this is very intriguing!
    It also begs a few questions:
    1. How long does the element take to fully heat up?
    2. Sorry if this has been addressed already, but is it variable temperature or just one heat setting?
    3. How long does it take to cool down before you feel safe laying it on the table after use?
    Also, am I correct in assuming that it makes no noise?

    Thanks for getting back to me!
     
  23. captainwolf

    captainwolf Well-Known Member

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    That's a good point about the bowl. Monkey could you try it with a standard bowl and see if it even works without the VCB and let us know? I think I am getting it regardless for efficiency, but some may not order it if the VCB is a $50 must...
     
  24. stonemonkey55

    stonemonkey55 Chief Vapor Officer Manufacturer

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    Honeybeat, yes the VHW has variable temperature and takes about 45 seconds to heat up but takes 2-3 minutes for optimal vaping temperature. The glass that is used is fairly thick and I like to get the glass as well as the heating element both at the proper temperature before vaping. As far as cooling down goes, I would say within 2-3 minutes, it would be cool enough to touch without getting burned. I have always been a huge fan of the Steinel guns and never really got deterred at how cumbersome it actually was but now that I have the VHW, the heat gun will be used for it's intended purposes. The VHW is silent so adds a bit of stealthiness versus the fan assisted heat gun.

    Captainwolf, I tried using the heat gun without the lower intake and I was able to get some vapor but since there was no seal, the vapor to air ratio was lost. Mark does not intend to build a GG connection for the VHW but with the silicon sleeve, it makes a pretty tight seal and the resulting hits are dense, crisp, and potent. I'll update everyone tomorrow to see what progress the glass blower has made.
     
  25. Honey Bear

    Honey Bear Well-Known Member

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    Thanks my monkey friend for the excellent response! I do have one more important question that I forgot earlier.
    How hot is the vapor as you inhale it? One thing I disliked about the heatgun setup was that, given the high heat being used in combination with the fans blowing and the small amount of space between the heatgun nozzle and the mouthpiece of the bong, the air was too hot for my tastes, even when using water and ice.
    Obviously it depends on the size of the bong being used, but does the absence of fans create for a less hot feel? Do you notice it being very hot when hit through a vripmaster loaded with water and ice?
    Thank you very much for your thoughtful answers.
     

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