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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by Volcano South, Oct 10, 2008.

  1. Nicola

    Nicola Member

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    The amount of the vegetable material is the same? The same temperature? This two elements are very important to have dense vapor
     
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  2. Vapinmofo

    Vapinmofo Well-Known Member

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    Folks. Too much herb in a volcano chamber will make for harsh vapor.
    Too much heat will do the same thing.

    When you are starting out try heating with the knob just past 12 oclock and use about 1/4 teaspoon herbs.

    The vapor should be some what whispy very flavorful and super smoth. Take things up and more or less from there.

    Good luck.
     
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  3. arb

    arb Active Member

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    I usually fill to the bevel and set at 6 on the dial for full flavorful bags.
    Conservation is meaningless my focus is full medical effects and for me that way seems to be the best balance.
    When I use a bubbler I turn it up to seven for flower and all the way for oil.........love it.
     
  4. Mr. Gusto Himself

    Mr. Gusto Himself 010003

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    This is a factor to consider.



    Are you using stock, 2ft Bags?? Or a custom sized smaller one??

    In my experience using the stock, EZ Bag (2ft) the first bag is always whispy but the 2nd and 3rd are always a nice color. They don’t tend to get too much denser from there.

    Using the reducer with the same 2’ Bags I get denser vapor on the first bag and even denser vapor on the 2nd. I will sometimes run a (whispy) 3rd one, but that depends on how fresh my nug is.

    There was a time when I was going to get the Herbalizer instead of my Volcano.. how else do they compare? Vapor quality and Water Pipe Attachments specifically.
     
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  5. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    I can load .3 g in an easy valve, crank my Digit up to 446 F, and milk two bags.

    I hate to say this, but perhaps your unit or your herb????

    Also, let it heat sink for a while. If you look inside a Volcano, the heater is in a big ass aluminum heat sink. I find all vapes of that type work better if you let them warm up and then sit for a bit.

    Cheers
     
  6. arthritisbites

    arthritisbites Member

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    You beat me to it, I was going to say that “preheating“ has made the biggest difference in density of vapor for me. I put about a third of a gram in the easy valve and put it on top of the heated up volcano and let her sit for 10 minutes before turning the fan on. It is a night and day difference in vapor quality.

    Ok, I received this yesterday and I kid you not, my quality of life has just vastly increased. This holds the easy valve balloon onto my water pipe perfectly. The glass is smooth and looks to be of the highest quality. I am so thrilled!
     
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  7. matey

    matey Member

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    I used about double the amount I normally use with herbalizer. and got about half the vapor. Then I changed my technique from only using max to stepping up from 390 then 420 then max. that was better. I think the herbalizer is at least twice as efficient, maybe more. One herbalizer bowl of say .15g will rocket ship a thick thick dense brew if your veggies are nice and dry and ground. Double that amount in the digicano was middling with my always-use-max technique (clearly stepping is the way to go, but poo I thought volcano was puff the densest brew, but it didn't meet my expectations. It will be interesting to see if herbalizer will extract anything from volcano ABV. I'll try it before it exits house - going to leave it at a friend's place as soon as my warranty'd herbi arrives back to me. I am using the easy valve standard bag - it came with five of them. I love the valve - very clever design. Still have no experience with the solid valve. Perhaps some advice from the longer-time owners - should I get the capsule or the reducer if I'm trying to increase efficiency?
     
  8. matey

    matey Member

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    THIS!! Thank you!! Makes me think about my first vaporizer - that one also worked much better after it warmed up a bit (friend gave it to me called the Cloud 9. It was a little copper disc heating element. The switch was in-line on the black electrical cord and next to the heating element was an old school christmas tree light to indicate that it was turned on. The heating element/copper plate was inside a round ceramic base and had a glass dome fishbowl that went on top to capture the vapor. Then a rubber hose from the ceramic base to a mouthpiece. Worked pretty well for a crude early design. circa 1996.)
     
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  9. Nicola

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    Yeah, i think the same, and in my experience 2nd bag has denser vapor to the first, maybe because is more heated. But i'm confused, because i read everywhere that to heat vegetables is no good, because they deteriotates...and cano's istructions talk about only pre-heat for 4/5 seconds vegetable with the fan on before vaporize..and when i warm vegetables up for 10 minutes or so with fan off before vaporize, i can smell terpenoids and flavonoids in my room, so i think that a part of my vegetable is gone....can you convince me what is the right method? And when you filled the first bag, you leave the chamber on top of cano for further bag or not?
    Thanx
     
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  10. Jack_72

    Jack_72 Active Member

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    Nvm it does qwork perfectly with a bag. Just was very curious about how you feel almost nothing with your bare hand.

    Thx for your reply.
     
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  11. matey

    matey Member

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    My thought is the second bag is denser because the first run dries everything out. I've found that if you just keep your veggies in a ziploc bag and let them dry out naturally over a few weeks, the first bag can be the most potent. There's an easy test you might be able to try right now: load bowl with very dry fine shake and run it at 390F (or about 6.5 on the dial) and see what happens. I bet you'll get a huge bag on the first go if the material is dry enough. The "heat soaking" technique seems effective at getting the bowl up to temp so no heat is wasted when it fills the bag. It probably also dries out the veggies. With nice sticky wet veggies out of a boveda environment, I bet the whole first bag serves merely to "prime" the bowl by drying it out completely. Then the second bag is showtime.
     
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  12. arb

    arb Active Member

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    Wet cannabis pisses me off.
     
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  13. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    No, I wasn't clear enough. Let the unit heat sink without the chamber on it and with the fan OFF. Just let the sucker sit there for a bit.

    Now, I do run the fan for a few seconds before popping the chamber/bag on, particularly for the first bag, as I find this helps eliminate any diluting air before the herb heats up and starts producing vapor.
     
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  14. arthritisbites

    arthritisbites Member

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    I have no idea if what I’m doing is the right way or not, maybe others with more experience could chime in.

    While I can smell the aroma while preheating - which, like you said, would indicate some loss of product - for me the improvement in vapor production is worth whatever loss is happening from the preheating. I seem to be getting more out of the same amount of material by preheating because the vapor production is so dramatically improved. If I preheat the volcano without the chamber on it and then just put the chamber on top, the vapor is just really weak in comparison.

    I actually tend to get a more dense vapor on my first bag and less dense on the second. I grind very fine and do both bags back to back at 410°F. While I could get a wispy third bag, it tends to be too harsh for me so I just collect the ABV for extraction for edibles later on.

    My goal is to get as medicated as possible, as quickly as possible. If anyone has any suggestions as to how I could speed things up, that would be great. Half the time I don’t even get to the second bag before the vapor settles and it’s a waste (it irritates my lungs too much if I breathe it in fast). Idealy I would extract everything in one bag, but I always am able to collect more vapor in a second bag - I just can’t get complete extraction in one bag.
     
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  15. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    What I do is just put the "cold" loaded chamber on the (pre-heated) 'cano and turn the fan on to warm everything up nice and quickly. When the vapor starts coming out like it should, I attach the bag. It makes for a denser, less airy first bag IME. :2c:

    :peace:
     
  16. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    More dense second bags would indicate more THC vaporizing versus just decarboxylating. If you look up the old Volcano studies they found that on lower settings, much of the THC was becoming activated but not actually vaporizing until further amounts of bags were blown or until higher temperatures were used. (7-9 on a Classic)
     
  17. arb

    arb Active Member

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    I use this technique also.
     
  18. matey

    matey Member

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    (apologies in advance if post sounds rude! I don't mean to come in here and say anything negative about the volcano, which I am loving so far)

    I have the same goal as you in that I want to completely vaporize the whole bowl into a single, normal sized bag. I don't think it's going to happen with the volcano. I get a bit closer with the herbalizer: technique
     
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  19. Rollingstoned

    Rollingstoned Member

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    I pack an almost full bowl and start at 383 degrees then Increment 7 degrees every bag until i reach 425 degrees
    I usually get 6-8 bags out of one bowl
    Why do i keep reading people only getting 2-3 bags? Are you microdosing? Am i doing something wrong?
     
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  20. arb

    arb Active Member

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    I get a half dozen or so bags a bowl myself...........lolz.
     
  21. Nicola

    Nicola Member

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    The same for me. But when i do this, i do less bag, so it's worth if you want medicate rapidly, and also works reducer chamber with liquid pad on top for me.

    Already tried a bong or the magma?
     
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  22. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Well, cause I run from 446 F to start from a well pre-heated Cano.

    As said, depends on what you are going for. Me, its sedation and pain relief at night prior to going to bed. I want fast complete extraction as quick as possible.

    I get two thick bags with .3 g in the chamber this way. I could squeeze a third bag out but its often not worth it.

    We all vape slightly differently (and in some cases very differently LOL).

    Cheers
     
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  23. arb

    arb Active Member

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    Indeed my lungs can't take flower at that temp it is way too harsh.
    Oils all good in that range though.....really good.


    Scissor hash all the way up is exceptionally tasty..........like crush up a marble sized piece on that mesh pad and have at it.
     
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  24. arthritisbites

    arthritisbites Member

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    Per your advice, I reduced my flower by a third to .2 g. I then added a little concentrate and the combination seems to do well for me without being too harsh. I can always get to the second bag now. Thanks for beating us over the head with it! Some of us have really thick skulls:goon:

    So, I was going to come back all proud to say I followed your instructions and they worked, and I just realized I misread your post. But it ended up being a happy accident.

    I let the volcano heat up without the chamber on top as you said, but then I put the chamber on top and started the fan without the bag on and let it run for a couple of seconds until I started to see vapor. I then popped the bag on and my two bags are much more opaque now and I feel like I’m getting full extraction. If I try to put a third bag on I really get nothing. And I’m very willing to accept the loss of the small amount of vapor that escapes capture in exchange for the denser bags I get.
     
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  25. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure I understand the difference between my suggestion and what you did??
     
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