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Vaporizing Tobacco (not e-cigs)

Discussion in 'Vaporizables' started by vtac, Apr 11, 2008.

  1. galumar

    galumar New Member

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    Thank you @Xelatsok i'll try exactly with an Oriental one. I've purchased some leaves, can't wait the delivery!

    P.S. oily means that producing some good clouds too?
     
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  2. Xelatsok

    Xelatsok vapes tobacco modding the vapes

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    Yes, Orientals produce more vapor comparing to Virginia and Burley.
     
  3. galumar

    galumar New Member

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    Thanks @Xelatsok, i've already ordered some oriental leaves.
     
  4. galumar

    galumar New Member

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    After a week of daily huge usage i can take some conclusions and i would to share with everyone can be interested:

    1) it's fucking good, it works! I don't touch a sigarette from the time in which i start using my vaporizer with tobacco;
    2) i didn't had nicotine issues, using light tobaccos as American Spirit Yellow and an organic Oriental in leaves bought online; just one time, trying different tobaccos and vaping 2/3 times in a few minutes, i felt a light head spinning, but nothing of boring;
    3) about temperature: i've read a lot of different info about tobacco vaporizing temp, from 120° to 190° Celsius. Very different recommendations on it, in my experience the best range is between 160° to 185° intended as the lower and the higher. Under 160° it's really hard taking some flavor and vapor. Usually i start vaping at 165/170° and finishing at 180/185° and i found it perfect for the pleasure, but overall the tobacco after the session looks perfectly dried with any burning traces.
    4) flavor is good, vapor amount a little less. I tried to add some drop of vegetable glycerin mixed with distilled water at 5/10% and it's all another thing. Very good clouds and seems it doesn't affect flavor in any way; it works great and from all the scientific informations i found it's totally safe at this temperature range. I've added just about 10 drops on 15g of tobacco and it makes the difference;
    5) i have a lot of organic peppermint and tried to use it too. Vaping it alone it's really a fresh flavor experience, so good. It has the problem of the vapor amount, it's possible to do the same glycerin process described. But for me the best, at the moment, is mixing it with tobacco. I've got some crazy good and tasty minty tobacco that is absolutely my favorite one, i can vape it all the time! Fresh, rich of flavor, a perfect pair. Peppermint it's less than 20% of the mix, since it's strong this percentage is good for feel it good without covering the tobacco flavor. The mix works perfectly because the temperature range is the same for the two herbs;
    6) i guess that nicotine amount delivered is really big, because i'm noticing that a single vaping session is much satisfying. If i usually smoked 10 cigarettes in a day, now i'm vaping 6/7 times in a day or less. After a session i don't feel the needing of vaping again for quite a good time, compared with cigarettes it's a huge difference.

    So, that's all for the moment. I strongly recommend this way for everyone that want to quit smoke and doesn't like liquid based e-cigs. Vaping it's a very good way for.
    And don't waste money or time with devices like iQos or Glo. Are just a fraud, if you want to heat tobacco it's not needed putting it inside a "cigarette". The cigarette was designed with that shape for be burned. It's only a way for selling you cigarettes forever an ever.
    Next steps will be trying two new flavors for mixing with tobacco, organic licorice and organic vanilla beans.
    In both of the two herbs i guess that a very small amount added to the tobacco (around 5%) it's enough for feeling the flavor. With vanilla beans it's possible trying some different ways for flavoring tobacco without heating it directly in the vaporizer, but i will talk about it in the future. Let's see it!
    I'm still waiting to try another organic tobacco in leaves (a Virginia), and the Toque Snuff product, both ordered and on the way for delivering. Again, i have some organic mediterranean sage on my garden that is still drying at the sun, i'll try it too, but i think is not possible use it with tobacco due to the difference of temperature, sage needs a very high one, close to the MJ range.

    Thanks to everyone that wrote on this thread, it was such a great help.
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2018
  5. rmayers

    rmayers New Member

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    I am happy to hear that! To be honest for me the key was money. I spent all my money on cigarets because I smoked a lot. But later I have found an useful article https://www.migvapor.com/ecig-news/smokers-save-money-switching-vaping/ about saving my money moving to vaporizing. So I am happy you did the same thing!
    best
     
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  6. karotene

    karotene Well-Known Member

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    I suspect that the glycerin dissolves some of the nicotine (among other things), then when vaped atomizes it at lower temps than straight tobacco.
     
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  7. Xelatsok

    Xelatsok vapes tobacco modding the vapes

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    From my experience, this is PG who extracts things from the tobacco, while VG makes clouds. VG extracts too but less compared to PG. Pipe tobacco vendors use up to 20% of PG in aromatic blends. VG is used for clouds in shisha “tobaccos”.
     
  8. karotene

    karotene Well-Known Member

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    I tend to use a bit of pg in there too cause 'why not'. Solubility beyond basic chem (polar, non-polar) is beyond me. The glycering has alcohol groups, so afaik is mildly polar.
    Anywhoo
    I love the smell of fresh glycerine-pipe-tobacco in the morning!
    [​IMG]
    (note, this is too 'wet' still, more tobacco will be added)
     
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  9. dr_no

    dr_no New Member

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    one observation about glycerin (mixed with 10% alc) i made recently: warming it up from room temperature to something like 50C will make it possible to spray it properly. Just put it in a microwave for 5 seconds or under hot water.

    Another completely different observation i made in the last months: switching from cigarettes to a vaporizer kinda made the tobacco craving disappear for me. I rarely use the vaporizer these days anymore. I'm actually almost a bit disappointed. After finally figuring out a great way to consume tobacco I'm not really that much into it anymore.

    My theory is that i was addicted to several things in the cigarette smoke at once and the vaporizer gave me some of them when I wanted all so i was able to wean off of them slowly. Now, while it's still pleasant to vapo tobacco, I don't have my decade-old reaction of "oh, a drink! now i want to smoke" anymore.
     
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  10. Tupolev

    Tupolev New Member

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    [QUOTE = "galumar, post: 1328595, member: 41061"] Après une semaine d'usages quotidiens énormes, je peux en tirer quelques conclusions et les partager avec tout le monde peut être intéressé:

    1) c'est bon, ça marche ! Je ne touche pas une cigarette depuis le moment où je commence à utiliser mon vaporisateur à tabac;
    2) je n'avais pas de problèmes de nicotine , j'utilisais des tabacs légers comme American Spirit Jaune et un bio dans les feuilles achetées en ligne; Juste une fois, en essayant différents tabacs et vapotant 2/3 fois en quelques minutes, je me sentais bien, mais rien d'ennuyeux;
    3) on the temperature : j'ai lu beaucoup d'informations sur la vaporisation du tabac, de 120 ° à 190 ° Celsius. The Recommendations is different to this sujet, selon mon expérience, la meilleure plage se situe entre 160 ° et 185 °, dans la limite inférieure et supérieure. En dessous de 160 ° C, il est très difficile de prendre goût et vapeur. Habituellement, je commence à vapoter à 165/170 pour finir à 180/185 et je l'ai trouvé parfait pour le plaisir, mais dans l'ensemble, le tabac après la session, l'air parfait avec les traces de brûlure .
    4) la saveur est bonne, la quantité de vapeur un peu moins. J'ai essayé de boire de la glycérine mélangée à l'eau distillée à 5/10% et c'est tout autre choisi. Très bons nuages et il semble que cela n'affecte pas la saveur; cela fonctionne très bien et d'après toutes les informations scientifiques, j'ai trouvé que c'était totalement sûr à cette plage de température. J'ai ajouté à peu près 10 gouttes sur 15 g de tabac et cela fait toute la différence.
    5) J'ai beaucoup de pensée poivrée bio et j'ai essayé de l'avenir aussi. Vaping seul, c'est vraiment une expérience de saveur fraîche, tout va bien. Il y a un problème de quantité de vapeur, il est possible de faire le même processus de glycérine décrite. Mais pour moi, le meilleur, pour le moment, c'est le mélanger au tabac. A tabac à la menthe bon et savoureux qui est absolument mon préféré, je peux tout faire! Frais, riche en saveurs, un couple parfait. La menthe poivrée représente moins de 20% du mélange, car elle est forte, ce pourcentage est bon pour se sentir bien sans couvrir le saveur du tabac. Le mélange fonctionne parfaitement avec la plage de température.
    6) Je suppose que la quantité de nicotine est vraiment importante. Si je fumais 10 cigarettes par jour, je vais maintenant vapoter 6/7 fois par jour ou moins. Après une séance, je ressens plus le besoin de vapoter pendant un bon moment. Comparativement aux cigarettes, la différence est énorme.

    Donc, c'est tout pour le moment. This is fortement with a m personne method. Vaping c'est un très bon moyen pour.
    Et ne perdez pas d'argent ou de temps avec des appareils comme iQos ou Glo . Si vous voulez chauffer du tabac, il n'est pas nécessaire de le mettre dans une "cigarette". La cigarette a été conçue avec cette forme pour être brûlée . Ce n'est qu'un moyen de vendre des cigarettes pour toujours et à jamais.
    Les prochaines étapes consisteront à essayer deux nouvelles saveurs à tabac, de réglisse biologique et de gousses de vanille biologiques.
    Dans les deux herbes, je suppose qu'une très petite quantité a été ajoutée au tabac (environ 5%). Avec les gousses de vanille, il est possible d'essayer différentes manières d'aromatiser le tabac sans chauffeur directement dans le vaporisateur, mais j'en parle dans le futur. Voyons ça!
    To Be Snuff, Commanded and Act of Delivery. Encore une fois, j'ai un peu de sauce méditerranéenne bio sur mon jardin qui sèche encore au soleil, je vais aussi, mais je pense qu'il n'est pas possible de le faire avec tabac en raison de la différence de température, le besoin de température très élevé, proche de la gamme MJ.

    Merci à tous ceux qui ont écrit sur le fil de discussion, fut un aide précieuse. [/ CITATION
    Bonjour. Merci pour votre témoignage ☿ donne moi de l'espoir. Pouvez vous nous indiquer quel est votre matériel pour vaporiser le tabac ? Merci
     
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  11. Tupolev

    Tupolev New Member

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    [QUOTE = "karotene, post: 1346519, member: 28591"] J'ai tendance à utiliser un peu de pg là aussi parce que "pourquoi pas". La solubilité au-delà de la chimie de base (polaire, non polaire) me dépasse. La glycering a des groupes d'alcool, donc autant que je sache est légèrement polaire.
    Anywhoo
    J'aime l'odeur de tabac à pipe à la glycérine fraîche le matin!
    [​IMG]
    (note, c'est trop 'humide' encore, plus de tabac sera ajouté) [/ QUOTE]
     
  12. Tupolev

    Tupolev New Member

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    [QUOTE = "Tupolev, post: 1402410, member: 48058"] [QUOTE = "karotene, post: 1346519, member: 28591"] J'ai tendance à utiliser un peu de pg il y a aussi parce que "pourquoi pas". La solubilité au-delà de la chimie de base (polaire, non polaire) me dépasse. The glycering to a liqued of liquor, donc autant que je sache est légèrement polaire.
    Anywhoo
    J'aime l'odeur de tabac à pipe à la glycérine fraîche le matin!
    [​IMG]
    (note, c'est trop humide encore, sera ajouté) [/ QUOTE] [/ QUOTE]
    Bonsoir. Je souhaite essayer de vaporiser du tabac (J'utilise une cigarette électronique mais cela même satisfait pas) . Pourriez vous me dire si cela remplace bien la cigarette ? Quel type de tabac utilisez vous ? Comment l'humidifiez vous ? Peut on vaporiser du tabac sans l'humidifier ? Et puis aussi quel vaporisateur est le meilleur pour vaporiser du tabac. Merci d'avance !!!
     
  13. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Here my story about vaping tobacco.

    I didn't read that thread and tried to vape tobacco for cigarettes (hand rolled) mixed with flowers at 390°F but taste was very bad and very harsh on the throat... I read that thread and tried the same at lower temp but it wasn't satisfying. After I tried to get better pipe tobacco, mixed it with some VG/PG blend... it was slightly better but I never appreciated the idea to vape that shitty glycerin and it wasn't possible to vape flowers in the same time since that tobacco prefers very low temp (320°F).

    I like to grow things... and have a lot of rooms to do it, so I tried to grow a mexican strain of tobacco which doesn't need any water wash to remove excess nicotine. After some weeks of curing (it took some time to dry them well enough) I was able to slice some leaves and tried it mixed with a low quality weed in a basic conduction vape with the temp set at 390°F... mmmh my friend i never enjoyed so much the tobacco's taste slightly spiced by the local sativa i used along with some pretty good clouds,no harshness at all but a bit harsher while I jumped temp at 410°F but still manageable.

    I can't say if harshness of tobaccos you find in shops is caused by nicotine, by products or strain difference but I can say my homegrown tobacco is the best I ever used for vaping purpose, smooth and tasty!

    n.b: I'll try to ask to the friend who gave me the seeds which strain is it. For records I'll have some seeds soon
     
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  14. KingMoonracer

    KingMoonracer Member

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    Hi, First time posting! I love this forum and I really love this thread!

    Have dabbled in vaping tobacco, and enjoy it now that I have it more dialed in.

    Been smoking organic rollie tobacco for a LONG time. Have been smoking/vaping ecig 40/60 since starting to taper off combustion. Ecig vaping is a bridge to gain an understanding of my preferential nic levels, but goal is to vape tobacco leaf full time, possibly tapering off nic with other herbs at some point (not today!!).

    With the recent news about people landing in the hospital with lung problems, even perishing, CDC recommends folks stop using ecigs until they find the actual cause (all cases have various kinds of vaping as the common link). I think that the tobacco vapers who use regular dry herb vaporizers (not just the HnB crowd) are going to grow in numbers.

    So, really just posting to say YAY! Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread, it has been and continues to be a source of support and inspiration to me.
     
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