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Vaporbrothers Vaporizer

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by eLiguL, Jan 16, 2009.

  1. reloader

    reloader Well-Known Member

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    I started out with an original Vapor brothers back in early 2003, and have been very satisfied ,it lasted all these years and still works fine and I still have it today. I know you can send the older version in for 90 bucks and they will upgrade it for you, but it would take about three weeks.

    Since it was my only vaporizer I really didn't want to be without it for that long so I found a used newer version on E-bay minus the whip for about $100, seems to work the same but I like the blue glow of the newer element. I am going to purchase a hydrator for it now. I have been vaping pretty much exclusively for several years and it has been a total life changer no harsh taste or burnt throat, and virtually no respiratory effect. I wont combust anymore, I still have friends who use a pipe sucking in a butane flame inhaling harsh smoke when it isn't necessary::lol:
  2. reloader

    reloader Well-Known Member

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    After reading some other post on this thread i wanted to say that after you experiment with the vaporizer you will be able to manipulate the settimngs for your desired effect. All bud is different so if you bud is damp you will need a little hotter temp.
    i also think a good grinder is very important so your weed will vape. i suggest an aluminum grinder with a kief box. Then as kief accumulates you can sprinkle it over your bowl for an awesome effect.

    Many people dont know how to vaporize correctly, you have to have patience and start your draw slow and steady after about 5 to 8 secs you should start feeling s strong hit, you have to have strong lungs for this style vaporizer because you need to hold a fairly strong inhale for several seconds. One of the biggest mistakes i see is people not inhaling long enough. It is not like smoking where your hit is instant you have to have a steady draw and wait a few secs for hit to kick in, again it takes practice and dedication.
    If done just right there is a very satisfying hit exhaling a thick clould of vapor.
  3. VB-MFLB

    VB-MFLB Well-Known Member

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    So, Ive been using the EZ change whip for a few weeks now and I'm not liking the new screens that much. Its allowing small particles to still pull through but get stuck on the walls of the wand. Its not a big deal, but one Id rather cleaner vape-oil than having little pieces of bud throughout it, plus it gets dirtier quicker. I think I may just switch back to using the SS screens. I will keep the ceramic (which I am using one on each end of the whip) in for a few more weeks to give it a full run through. Another thing is that oil and particles are gathering quickly on the ceramic screen and even blocking a few holes. I know that I could just pop the screen out and clean it, but I want to give it a full run through, if you wanna call it that. Luckily the oil and pieces to help to keep other small pieces from going through and it doesn't seem to effect my draws or the vape experience.

    with much peace and love vape brothers and sisters
  4. reloader

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    Wow 10 hits off 1 bowel, I take about 2 hits per bowel with the dial around 12:00, usually do about 2 bowels per session.
  5. Beezleb

    Beezleb Well-Known Member

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    Reloader,

    I suspect your temperature is too high or you are putting in a super small amount or something is odd. 2 draws off of one bowl is extremely low for any vaporizer I think.

    Generally on analog style vaporizers the temperature settings are not wholly identical from unit to unit so 12 oclock on your vape might be a higher or lower value on another but I have not heard much of this issue with the VB and I have a few people I know who have VB and I am not aware of any real difference in temp numbers. Due to this potentially it could be a malfunctioning vape.

    Something does not seem right or some info is left out, perhaps these may help.
    Do you vape regular size bowl or smaller?
    Are you stopping at 2 draws on your own or are you unable to get more out of it?
    Have you tried turning up the temp a bit after taking your last draw?
    Describe your ABV.

    Perhaps even contacting VB and talking with them. Something is just odd for 2 draws per bowl.
  6. VB-MFLB

    VB-MFLB Well-Known Member

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    When I use my mini whip, I will place just enough to cover the screen and that delivers about 2-3 hits, depending on how slow I inhale. I place my dial around 11-12 to get these numbers. If i start out around 9-10 I can get 4-6. When the dial is at 12 I can produce a medium thick vapor, in comparison to a volcano which would be a large thick vapor. When down around 9-10 I get only faint clouds of vapor. Another factor to all of these numbers is the type of bud you are using, dry, wet, large or smaller grind.

    There are alot of variables that can affect the amount of draws, thickness of vapor and quality of taste.

    Also, I stop vaping after I stop seeing vapor. This for me has proven to be the perfect time, as after that the AVB can turn very dark brown. Each time I finish the AVB is a light brown color, with spots of dark brown (me experimenting with different temps, length and power of draws and pushing limits) At this is the point in where if I continue vaping I get the burnt taste as well and no longer the sweet taste of wonderful vapor.
  7. Beezleb

    Beezleb Well-Known Member

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    Very cool. I am sure your explanation on how you use small amounts with it will appeal to those looking to more economical with it. Thanks for sharing and explaining.
    Happy Vaping!
  8. reloader

    reloader Well-Known Member

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    This is all similar for me except I like the dial around 12:00 but I just put in a small amount (probably about the equivalent of 1 or 2 hits if you were smoking it) but for the best vapor hits I like to pack it down lightly in my whip, and I get about 2 good tasting hits, I might try one more but I would prefer not to taste spent weed, I enjoy the first couple hits of fresh and then discard it. My used vapor is light to medium brown.
  9. PurpleHaggis

    PurpleHaggis Well-Known Member

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    I've run into some similar issues, but I've mitigated it by using stainless steel screens in conjunction with the ceramic ones, and I'm actually really happy with the result.

    I'm using two metal screens, 5/8" diameter 316 stainless steel (bought them for my VaporGenies)... and they're inserted into the EZ Change Whip in the following fashion:

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    I've found that my silicone grip has a slightly narrower end and a wider end. I put into the wide end, in order, the ceramic screen, a stainless screen (which flares slightly at the edges but doesn't make a dome shape), and then the bowl piece. Into the narrow end, I place another stainless screen, which deforms and makes a dome up into the whip grip, and the remaining section of the handpiece.

    The upper stainless screen serves two purposes:

    a) Filter the first layer of particulates and create a good resin "filter" quickly.
    b) Protect the ceramic underneath from chips and scratches, allowing the use of pointy tools without catching in the large ceramic filter holes.

    The ceramic filter acts to do two things also:

    a) Provide a rigid backing to the upper metal screen to support stirring/mashing of herbs without deforming.
    b) Another resin accumulation surface to filter more particulates.

    The bottom screen acts as a final stop, and catches any remaining small particles before they enter the whip handle. Some small bits of kief will still pass through, but it's less than an original VB whip lets through.

    Important note: I first tried this by sandwiching the ceramic screen directly between the two metal screens. This didn't work well, as particulate built up rapidly between the ceramic screen and the lower metal screen, and it clogged in only a few days. This layout, by leaving an additional air gap before the bottom screen, provides much higher flow, an easier draw, and can collect a lot more particulate before clogging. I expect that after some period of use, a small ball of hash-like resinous kief will build up in this gap.

    -ph
  10. VB-MFLB

    VB-MFLB Well-Known Member

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    First off .... GRRRR to this stupid site logging me out before I submitted a nice and long post, thus loosing everything. And I am not one to be able to replicate somethign perfect twice... so Ill just have to give it my best once again.

    -reloader- much agreed on getting just the nice tasting vapor and then stopping. I figure, I get gooood and toasty of those nice tasting ones and the rest of the stuff thats left over will just go to making good green butter anyways. I am please with the high, so why push it into untastey land (personal preference)

    ph- Thank you for the indepth, detailed post with picture; I love it! Its great when people take some time to contribute worth wild posts that provide information that can be used and benefited from. Let me encourage you to continue these great posts. Now for my questions. This is but a thought and not an attacking statement, but I'm thinking that all those screens may be a bit overkill. I say this as like I mentioned above I use a mini whip in rotation with my ezchange and it sports the classic setup of using a single ss screen. I have also previously used a regular sized classic whip and with both I have never had issues with sucking particles into my mouth. I am sure that some tiny pieces do get through, as you can see a few on the wall of the wand, but I never realize them being inhaled. I can see the logic behind your setup, just like one would use bubble bags; ensuring that in the end, you are getting only the best product, in our case NO particles. Have you done varying tests in screen combinations; ie. 1 ss, 2 ss, 1 ss 1 ceramic, 2 ceramic? If you have, what were your outcomes? I also have a inquire to the types of screens you are using, as under bullet point b. of the ceramic statements, you mention giving the screen some rigidness. I currently use the ss screens sent with VB products and they are pretty sturdy and I have never had issues with bending out of place or anything. This may also be in part that the screens I am using are chosen by VB to be used with VB. Another aspect that I may suggest that you look into is the size of your screen. VB sells mini screens that are suppose to fit the ez change, as well as the mini whip. I purchased these but haven't tried out how they fit yet, but I am assuming that since VB sells them, they prolly fit perfectly or closer to it that another companies. I do not have access to my VB and stuff, as my mother is visiting right now and I don't partake when shes around, out of respect to her. I am interested in your thoughts on this.

    p.s I am very glad to see this thread getting a bit more attention from people. As you can tell I love my VB and love discussing aspects of it. Let us all please continue sharing and reviewing and discussing out comings and goings with the VB... though I may say that maybe this thread doesn't get as much attention as others as the VB is simple to use, very little issues to go wrong and overall a great product... (this is my opinion and I am not looking to start stuff with what vapes are the best and better, etc...)

    p.s all my posts can be worth exactly what you pay for them.... nothing
  11. PurpleHaggis

    PurpleHaggis Well-Known Member

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    Glad you like them! I love sharing knowledge with others, and it seems that the best techniques for vaporization are still evolving. I even have a bit of a skunk works project going on to create the next generation of vaporization technology, but it's still in the early concept stages. :)

    Thanks for prefacing your statement, but I'm always a fan of constructive criticism.

    In a way, you're right, this is definitely overkill. I'm very, very sensitive to particulate pass-through, as my reactive airways will often trigger major coughing fits from even small amounts of inhaled particulate matter. I can't stand cigarette smoke, dust, strong cleaners, etc. Cannabis smoke was a necessary evil, but between my VB and my VaporGenies, I only combust the occasional joint, hash, or oil.

    My standard VB whip (with a single stainless screen), after only a few days of use, had a heavy layer of fine particulate built up all over the inside of the glass handpiece, and a decent amount spread throughout the rest of the whip. I could only vaporize to about 60% of my normal temperature, as anything higher needs a finer grind, and was pulling through enough that it really hurt my throat.

    In my VaporGenie, I use three stainless screens layered right on top of one another, each one rotated slightly to catch even smaller bits.

    There's a substantial downside to this fastidious technique, however... any such scheme is bound to clog up sooner, which requires increased draw strength, and sometimes causing herb combustion (if the draw speed is forced too low). As a result, you have to clean a lot more often.

    This compromise is reasonable for me, but probably not for most users... but if you're sensitive to the particulates, there's not really a choice... you could use a hydrator or other water piece, but I really like the flavor of straight vapor and the control it gives you when pushing close to the upper edge on temperature.

    I have, and I'm still experimenting. The setup described above is clogging faster than I would have expected, so I'm going to do some more experiments and see if anything else works better. In some ways, the smaller screen diameter of the EZ Change Whip (and corresponding smaller surface area) makes the screens work more efficiently, but they inherently clog faster (since there's less surface for the air to "get around" clogged pores in the screen).

    From looking at the screen in the standard hands-free VB whip, it appears to have a coarse weave with a relatively large wire diameter when compared against other screens. This thicker wire is much stiffer than the wire used in finer mesh screens, and resists bending... which is why they're such a pain to work with. :)

    I didn't know that the mini-whip screens are the same size as the EZ change whip... I'll have to order a few of the mini screens when I do my next order (my LHS doesn't carry most of the VB accessories). I might try a simple 2 or 3 layered stainless screen in the EZ Change without any ceramic at all and see how it works... that's the sort of configuration I use in all of my VGs, and suspect that it'll meet my needs here too.

    Glad to be part of the Vapor Brothers family. :cool:

    -ph
  12. stinkmeaner

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    I hate when that happens but I last time when that happened to me I just hit the back browser and it takes me back to the post reply and then I copy it so I can paste when I log in again.
  13. VB-MFLB

    VB-MFLB Well-Known Member

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    ph- thanks for all the responses and such. I can see where you are coming from with the throat irritation and trying to filter as much out as possible. I also like the smaller diameter of the wand for the mini and ez. I feel it makes things more efficient. The diameter of the wand is more to the size of the heaters hole, making it so the whole bowl is getting heat, instead of a greater focus on the middle of a bowl. When using the mini I still like to rotate it a bit on the heater, which is more of a "I was raised that way, so thats the way I like it" having an original vb back in 2005. I use the hands free on the ezchange and I do enjoy it, but there is always something about nostalic ways of doing it the way I did it the first time.

    Another factor I just thought about after reading the post a few more times, is the grind size that you are using or anyone uses for that matter, with the option of using multiple screens. I currently grind with a 4 pc Large titanium space case. It produces a medium size grind, from my opinion I guess. I also only mix my stuff around in the wand, I don't crush it into a finer particle, but small pieces do break off when stirring sometimes.

    I've been intrigued by the hydrators or even hooking up a bong to it. I wonder as well to how much, if any, taste was lost through water filtration. You would probably benefit, with your throat, from using some sort of filtration system. One interesting tip I heard someone using, which there is a post in these forums if your interested, about people filling bongs with hot water, not boiling, but as hot as you can get out of the faucet, and vaping through those. Multiple people commented on how much smoother it was, as the hot water and steam I am assuming, gave the vapor a wet feeling. Very itneresting, as well as some people claimed it gets you higher or higher faster.

    Well its off to bed for work.

    With much peace and love vapor brothers and sister
  14. reloader

    reloader Well-Known Member

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  15. elmomuzz

    elmomuzz That just happened...

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    I have the precision glass hydrator. I would not use my VB without it. It's awesome.
  16. PurpleHaggis

    PurpleHaggis Well-Known Member

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    Anyone know if it's safe (thermally speaking) to mount a Vapor Brothers box upside down?

    -ph
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    max This space available Staff Member

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    Upside down, on its side-doesn't matter.
  18. VB-MFLB

    VB-MFLB Well-Known Member

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    I wonder a bit about the hydrators as well, in terms of any degradation of taste or high. I also like the precision glass one.

    Ive also been considering adding a bong to my collection, with its main purpose being used for vaporization. Any one have any experience with both and want to chime in. Thanks

    How simple to flip it over and now have a downward angled heater, i never really thought about that. But I also don't have any problems with bud really falling out except for a tiny piece here and there and only with the hands free. But I still will try this out, lay it down on one of those grippy but not sticky pads.

    I officially gave up on the ceramic screens today and have reverted back to a single ss.

    With much peace and love vapor brothers and sisters
  19. NorCalSivart

    NorCalSivart Well-Known Member

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    Just recently bought a bong and have been hooking my vaporbros up to it and I love it. I would highly recommend it.
  20. elmomuzz

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    You don't lose any taste through the hydrator. Just debris and temperature.
  21. VB-MFLB

    VB-MFLB Well-Known Member

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    awesome, thanks for the input. maybe a bong will be found some day in my collection.
  22. purpleberry

    purpleberry Well-Known Member

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    I wanted to thank everyone for your help in trying to figure out why I'm having problems with my Vapor Brothers. I think the heating element might not be working right so I'll contact customer service Monday.

    I wanted to apologize for my smart a## comments. I don't want to be disrespectful towards anyone.

    I'm having a very difficult time adjusting to my illness, trying to make peace with dying, adjusting to the chemo, etc... My earlier remarks were made on a day that I was having a particularly bad time so I apologize.

    I'm also sorry for waving the doctor flag but I don't appreciate the comment knocking the fact that I said it.

    I've been reading this board for a long time before deciding which vaporizer to purchase. I don't see other very sick patients on here. Maybe that explains some of the sarcasm I got back. Regardless, I hope that in the future some people will be a bit more compassionate when it comes to those of us on chemo and not used to smoking, vaporizing, how to do it, etc...it's all a bit confusing.

    Many thanks to the people who offered great suggestions.

    I wish you all the best and god forbid any of you has to go through this. It's truly a nightmare I wouldn't wish on anyone.
  23. hemp;)goofy8cheerio

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  24. VB-MFLB

    VB-MFLB Well-Known Member

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    thanks purpleberry, thats very respectful of you to say that. I do hope everything works out with your ailment , as well as with your vape. VB makes a great product and when something goes wrong that are generally willing to help get you what you need, sometimes for free, sometimes for a price; but its always good stuff and worth it. If you have any more issues or questions about the vb vaporizer, ask away here. Those of us that want to help will help and those who treat the forums like a middle school boys or girls locker room is going to, just play along like we do life. glad to have you to the forums.

    much peace and love vapor brothers and sisters
  25. rusty

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    Hi reloader, I got the VB precision hydrator with my vape about a month ago-- new to vapeing. I am inexperienced with all the weed tools and thought it would be the easiest way for me to try a vape and a waterpipe.

    Using it I find is a little complicated because -- I am still getting the hang of the vape and it is a little harder to draw from and there are 2 glass on glass connections; it can be a little tippy if you place it on a table in between hits. I worry about breaking it.

    Still it is a useful tool if I want to moisturize the vapor. I also prefer the silicone tubing with the precision bubbler because it is more flexible -- less awkward than the stiffer standard clear tubing.

    hope this info is helpful.

    Stephanie

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