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Vaporblunt 2.0 & VB 2.0 DLX

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by TherealVaporblunt, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    For sure nothing negative there, I'm 'splining how I see it. Each guy gets to choose I guess.

    I think I follow you but I guess disagree with the term? How about heat transfer? The issue is we have to provide heat to the herb as it's used up evaporating all that goodness off. We want a constant temperature with a changing (heat) load meaning we need to transfer heat in from outside. In this case it's hampered I think because of the screen, the body of the heater no doubt stays in regulation (the metal doesn't change temperature much) with lots of air, the herb just cools off faster than heat can seep back in. It's a rate issue, it won't make vapor fast enough. This is a bigger problem because of the small volume of the load, if it was twice the size we'd have half the problem.

    Looked at another way, BDV can milk up a glass piece with a MFLB on batteries like nobody's business. Just slowly. I bet he could do the same here.

    But IMO guys looking for huge clouds in a hurry are probably not going to find true love here. I think they're better advised to go with other systems with larger loads. Something based on Bender, for instance, might do it? There you not only get a lot more weed producing (like six times as much....) but due to the heater scheme heat can be very rapidly transfered into the load keeping the volume up.

    One thing this guy does have in his favor for 'power users' is it's really easy to reload. Perhaps the easiest of any vape I can think of. Even 'working hot'. Unscrew the cap, dump out the duff (usually falls out, but if not a quick poke or tap clears it if wedged in. Then a pinch of herb on top of the 'funnel' around the open bowl, poke it in the bowl (shake off what's too much if needed) and screw the cap back on. Maybe 20 seconds? And there's vapor there when you get back to the other end to suck.

    My plans for the next week or two include loaning it out to a friend who has both solo and Cloud for some 'ghost testing' on that very point. I don't know any PAX people. The offer to test the free PAX is still open, however?

    OF
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  2. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    I am confused how you are trying to compare a conduction vape with convection or combo vapes. To me if this is conduction it can be compared with a pax. I do agree so far from what I am reading it can't make the clouds the pax does but leaving the wt out for the moment it seems like it is not up to the task.

    Isn't the cloud a convection vape? So this conduction vape can't be a mini cloud or a solo or any of the others. If I am wrong please explain so I can learn.
  3. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member

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    The Solo is arguably a large part conduction as well. I would argue that for a lot of vaporizers, conduction plays apart, if not in the direct vaporization, then in the maintenance of vaping temperature. I don't think it's that black and white ... it's either convection or conduction and that's it. I would argue that even the most convection based vaporizer uses some conduction, and the most conduction based one uses some convection (ie. the air is moving across an element and herb and the air is heating presumably, at least some, which is why on more conduction based vaporizers, a slower draw will benefit). Just some rambling thoughts :)
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  4. Pcpvapors

    Pcpvapors Well-Known Member

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    The original VB produced great clouds with a slow draw through the nose and the micro hit MFLB technqiue, I don't believe the micro hit technique would work with the WT but the nose inhale may.
  5. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    I agree which is why I used the word combo which most are. But it seems like from what was said this is largely conduction which the pax is as well. I don't think the DV or the solo are largely conduction. I would lean combo on both units with leaning convection.
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  6. green2brown

    green2brown Well-Known Member

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    I think the Solo is mostly conduction. Pack the stem, turn it on, and it'll vape away in a matter of minutes if you just let it sit there. The airflow is so minimal too, when you inhale it's more like you're trying to pull the vapor out of the stem rather than keep a steady stream of air for convection.
  7. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    Very true
  8. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    I disagree with this because of where the herb chamber is located. You can leave a bowl in there and watch it cook if you want to, but you can do that on almost any vape...the E will cook your stuff if left there long enough, but it is not a conduction vape. With the Solo, the herb is at the end of the air heating system, meaning that when you draw you are sucking hot air through the herb, thus vaping with convection. It appears that the VB2 works more like a PAX, with the herb chamber at the beginning of the airpath. In this setup, the herb gets cooler air flowing over it, so you need to let the conduction take place before sucking up a little vapor. I thought this unit was going to work more like a Solo, where the air is heated and then blown/sucked over the herb, but apparently not from what I am reading here.

    If we are right about the design, then I think cds will be right and this unit will have a hard time producing big clouds with the WT...we'll see. I'm still not clear not having held one yet.
  9. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    IMO you're right about the configuration, and therefore probably right about the 'big clouds with the WT' test, when someone gets there.

    IMO it's straight out conduction (with SS screen in the path) therefore slow to recover from cool air being introduced. In exchange, however, we get some mighty impressive battery times. We're looking at vaping 1.5 to 2 grams per charge (or maybe even a little more) in a dozen or so bowls. Convection isn't going to do that I think.

    OF
  10. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    Ok so I did have my definitions correct the first time. Thanks sticks. I had thought the solo was more convection but new the herb sat in the hot ss chamber so then I got confused duh what a surprise.:shrug:
  11. TherealVaporblunt

    TherealVaporblunt Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Great reviews, thanks for the hard work guys!! Most of these problems that you guys are having is going to be fixed. The threading issues and button issues have been corrected. What isn't going to be corrected is the cloud size. That is the cutting edge of portable tech, it just o's what it is. It produces a solid, medium sized hit IMO. Stu is 100 % correct I'm the fact that it doesn't build vapor like the cloud, and sticks will confirm I told him about my concerns or cloud comparisons being I don't have the luxury of a cord. So I pose this question, where does this rank in portable Vapeing expierences W/ water? Based on what's on the market currently of course, or past units including those that we "MacGyvered" to incorporate water? Those are the comparisons I hoped for the 2.0 dlx. As for tge standard 2.0, I think you guys have accurately placed it in its proper place.

    On a sad note, I will be away for the next week on an unexpected family Emercency, and I will not be available as much as I would like to be for a minute. I'll check in when I can, and pcp and sticks units are still going out as scheduled on Monday. I would say that is enough to keep everyone busy in my absence. Happy Turkey day to all and safe travels.
  12. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    best wishes with your family...you're in our thoughts.
  13. TherealVaporblunt

    TherealVaporblunt Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    I really appreciate that.
  14. lookhigh

    lookhigh Well-Known Member

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    Duno if anyone mentioned this before but this thing looks like the body of ther starship enterprise
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  15. elevation

    elevation Well-Known Member

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    I enjoy the fast growth of this thread since the units shipped in for testing.
    This unit has my particular interest.
    As long as it gets me medicated, and the hydratube does a great job with cooling down the vapor, i don't care about the medium hits.

    I hope more portable vaporizers will add moisture to their vapor, so this could be a real gamechanger.
    The battery life is a great thing too. I don't think there is any portable vape that uses a battery as energy source that can make it to a dozen bowls?
  16. Pcpvapors

    Pcpvapors Well-Known Member

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    When it comes down to it, I really think the deciding factor will be the Dry use of the VB vs the solo.
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  17. JCat

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    I don't know ... it's ability to be used well with a water tool of some sort is of extreme importance to me as well ... (I'm sure I can't be the only one who wants a portable--not discrete--that can filter through water)
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  18. Pcpvapors

    Pcpvapors Well-Known Member

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    I understand this I'm not saying that the WT aspect is not important but the preliminary WT use reviews show that it has no trouble medicating but as far as cloud chasing may not satisfy those. When I receive my unit ill try every draw technique I can think of to try and get a full milk.
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    JCat Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good! Anxiously await your reviews.
  20. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    The ZapBubbler was my favorite device that could be adapted to portable use. I used it with every portable (and Non portable)I owned.
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    I do not care for using my portables with water, as this seemed to reverse the portable aspect, and keep me near water source, sink, and supplies.
    For those hard to figure portables, the patients around here use Inline Bubblers.
    The VB2 seems nice, as it comes with its own bubbler so that patients seeking a water tool do not have to use all of these many other options~
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  21. Pcpvapors

    Pcpvapors Well-Known Member

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    I do appreciate the need for some for water or even the preference, and I hate to down play this unit without trying it but there are much more efficient designs for the water tool aspect particularly the LSV while although not free from an outlet I cannot see myself enjoying a walk and using the water tool. I understand its nice to be able to walk around the house but 200$ falling and shattering doesn't sound enjoyable in the slightest.
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  22. Tweek

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    This thread needs more video. With a touch of cowbell. :smug:

    I do agree about the glass pieces though...definitely couldn't see myself strolling around the house with one of these attached. I already feel enough of a dork sucking out of a volcano bag.
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  23. elevation

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    For me this is not a battle against the Solo since i have one, and have no problem with the way i hits.
    However, it can get me a sore thoat when used multiple times a day, which i often do.
    I use a small bong with it to attempt to cool down the vapor but it isn't cutting it. It actually gets that burn deeper into my lungs it seems.

    I can't really find quality bongs out here, and i like the idea of a Hydratube.
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  24. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    :peace:
  25. Tweek

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    Stu you are the man! :tup: Got my vid AND a lil cowbell too! You rock, thanks man! :rockon:

    Looks like it's satisfying to hit...what temp would that be at?
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