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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by stinkmeaner, May 20, 2010.

  1. LaunchBox420

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    hey everyone!

    Thought i should report on my Vapocane!
    First of all it was a bit better than i expected. It produced very tasty thick vapour, any one that likes water filtration should highly consider picking one of these up. i like how it all packs away into a "marker" it makes it easier to sneak!

    I got unexpectedly vaked off of the vapocane and i was definitely very pleased by this! I want to get a video up asap and plan on doing so! I just have to get my computer figured out because there is somthing that is preventing me to upload videos, so as soon as this is fixed i will post a video review.
     
  2. charliedontsurf

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    It's a pretty nice vape, all in all. I would of happily opted for the German made model if I knew that was the distinction between the two, but this was not really clear at all in my opinion, and the Chinese-made bowl has very poor welds.

    But the design is legit, a worthy competitor to the glass Vapobowl with some real advantages, including the ability to be 100% clean for travel. Very, very few other vapes can claim that. Both designs are better than the generic box-vape to 18mm adaptor to the same given piece, but I haven't had the pleasure of using a DBV or SSV or similar higher-end designs, and can't give quality control opinions on that.

    Unless you have a tremendous flame, place the screen in the upper 14mm female joint, near the bottom of its length. This is where the screen need to be for best vaporization IMO.]
     
  3. reece

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    Charliedontsurf, where did you purchase your Vapocane? How can you tell the difference between the two versions before purchase?


    Quick recap on my vapocane ordeal.

    Ordered from place in Amsterdam (hope this means I get the German made model). One month later a vapbong arrived (works ok, about what I expected. I would never pay for one unless desperate).

    There were many apologies for the mix up. I was told I could keep the Vapbong and a Vapocane was being sent.

    One month later I get an email saying the Vapocane arrived back at the store with no explanation. They have now sent it again with a different carrier.

    This better be one of the best vapes ever. ;)
     
  4. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Glassblower

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    Grasscity. I think vapocane b indicates the shit model.
     
  5. jackmormon

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    I just received a vabocane b or the shit model. The weld on my lower bowl is pretty clean. The glass is fairly thin (2-3mm?) but it looks good. I followed the advice and placed the screen at the bottom of the upper joint. Packed a pinch........

    Tried the "direct inhaled" method with a torch lighter and....nothing. Tried it with a larger torch lighter...again nothing. Tried it with a Solder-It 500 torch (used to use with a supreme) and OMFG. The largest, densest vapor bonghit I have ever had. Two large bongloads killed the bowl with no combustion. The vapor was so dense I am glad I used it with a large Helix beaker which thins it out. (The vapor was even denser than with a Vriptech bowl and a Steinel heat gun which I have always considered the gold standard for vapor bonging.)

    Anyway, initial impressions are positive enough I am keeping my eye out for one the German made ones :uhoh:

    Question for anyone else that has used one --- any luck with a normal size torch or did you have to use a very large one?
     
  6. LaunchBox420

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    Yes i use the torch that came with it, its a pretty small lighter compared to most. Your torch lighters may be filled with shitty butane so it burns cooler. Get trippled refined butane it burns hotter and is way cleaner because it has no tracers....will definitely make a big difference!
     
  7. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Glassblower

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    I used a small torch I got for 3 dollars on DX and which has been going for over 8 months.

    The inner flame is roughly one inch long and the outer lighter blue flame is roughly 2.5 inches overall. Like the glass vapobowls metal diffuser, it pays to simply heat the vaporizer before actually inhaling. Just hit the vapocane with 3 or 4 seconds of flame just to get it up to temperature and then begin inhaling, with just the tip of the outer, lighter blue flame. Glad to see you guys are liking your vapocane, it's pretty bitching design but I wish they'd just gone economy of scales with it and produced ALL German models in huge numbers so it would mostly even out the price.

    It's worth noting the bowl is about 60% of the size of the glass vapobowl's, when you use the vapocane's upper 14mm joint as the bowl. It is a perfectly acceptable size and can be packed fairly deeply.
     
  8. reece

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    Hopefully, if mine ever comes, it is the German version since the shop is in Amsterdam. I just looked at their site and it just says Vapocane (no B).

    Have you guys tried heating the Vapocane instead of using as a flame diffuser? If so, how is the performance?
     
  9. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Glassblower

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    Just as I began preferring it over the vapobowl, someone broke the upper portion of mine and now it's completely fubarred. If anyone knows where a replacement for the upper portion can be had, please hit me up.

    The glass was very thin.
     
  10. LaunchBox420

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    contact the Vapocan staff the email is on their website they are pretty quick at responding
     
  11. reece

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    My Vapocane has arrived. It is not the "B" version. I don't have a super critical eye about these things but there ssems to be nothing shoddy about the piece(s).

    It is a lot smaller than I imagined and that is a very good thing.

    I couldn't get it to work using either method at first. I still cannot get vapor when using method A. Nor do I believe I would use it that way at all. It wasn't enjoyable aside from not getting vapor. Felt like I was inhaling the flame. I'm glad I never got one of the flame diffuser vapes if that is a common characteristic. But maybe it isn't.

    Method B wouldn't work either, or so I thought. I was heating it like a Supreme. Heat for a bit, then inhale. Very frustrating. I thought it was the small lighter so I switched to the torch for my Supreme. Still nothing.

    Fuck it. I put it away and hit my Zap...

    A few hours later I tried again. This time, using method B, I inhaled while applying the heat. That did the trick for sure. Awesome.

    I use it with a J-hook, though I do have a bubbler I will use on occasion. The bend in the j-hook is close to the GonG joint so it gets hot while in use. I may have to get another where this isn't an issue. I have dreams of a custom j-hook that looks like an actual pipe but inside the bowl is the female GonG connection. One day.

    I also tried using a glass bead as a screen to have an all glass vapor path. The size I have fits the bowl of the Glass Vape perfectly but is too small for the Vapocane bowl. I just need to find the right size and I'll be ditching the metal screen.

    It will not replace the Zap as my workhorse. But it will get lots of use. It varies the vaping experience. If the Zap is a vehicle with automatic transmission, then the Vapocane is a stick shift (manual transmission). I feel more involved in the process when using the Vapocane.


    It would be nice if both pieces fit inside the "marker."

    I like this vaporizer.
     
  12. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Glassblower

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    Addressing problems getting method A to work:

    Do you have the screen placed 3/4 of the way down the upper 14mm GonG female? This is where it's "supposed" to be unless you have a monster torch. You would think the screen should sit in the expansion-chamber type area but this is too far.

    Try different torches. Some burn far hotter than others despite having similar-looking designs and flame lengths. If it's not whistling, you're missing. I think if you try again you'll find yourself scorching it rather than not being able to get vapor going, and then you can ramp down from there. There's a definite learning curve here.

    Contacted Vapocane people about a replacement, we'll see how that goes.

    Launchbox420, can we hear your thoughts? I was looking forward to another person's review.

    Edit: I'll upgrade my review of the vapocane to an A-, forgiving the low workmanship of my particular unit. My second favorite vape, and a provider of some of the densest vapor I've seen.

    Second edit: a second Vapocane B was purchased for a friend - the bowl has shoddy workmanship again, but worse, the actual vapocane diffuser portion (the upper half) is BENT, clearly badly blown, and should of been thrown in a B stock pile. I thoroughly recommend against buying a Vapocane B - get the European produced model or get another vaporizer. Grasscity was sympathetic, but there is little point in pay 12 bucks to ship back a 25 dollar vaporizer.
     
  13. OhTheAgony

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    Do you guys still use the little thingie that came with it to handle it when hot, or has anyone come up with a better way for that? It looks like it will melt soon from the photo's and video's I saw. I'm kinda used to my tweezers since I use the Vapo Bowl, but I don't think they'll work with the Cane. I may pick up a little piece of thick leather to handle it but I'm curious if anyone else found anything better.

    edit: just went through this thread but can't find the following information; what size screens work best with this one?
     
  14. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Glassblower

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    The vapocane B comes without the pseudo-pen carrying case or the little thing to handle it while hot. I use a pair of ordinary tweezers to handle it when using the retained heat method, and no tweezers are necessary when using the inhaled method. I plan to make a video showing off the Vapocane within a weeks' time so stay tuned.
     
  15. OhTheAgony

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    Ah, I didn't know that. I'm going for the retained methode of course, although I'll probably mix 'm up, but I'll just keep the tweezers ready then. Have you ever tried your Cane with a glass screen btw? I just ordered a few different ones along with a boatload of other small paraphernalia I wanted to pick up for a while now, had to take advantage of the EDIT thanksgiving discount. I was soo tempted to pick up that little Toro bubbler they have, but I just can't afford it right now.

    I also found the Vapocane B on EDIT for 38 euro's (about 50 US$), could that be the one you were thinking of in the GVB thread the other day? It's a little hard to tell from the add that it's the B version & not a Eurocane, but if you look close enough you can tell from the text as well as the photo.

    Looking forward to that video, but I hope to already have some experience with it myself by that time :brow:

    Not sure if you have a script ready or not, but perhaps it's an idea to include the GVB in it as well & make a little comparison?
     
  16. OhTheAgony

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    My Vapocane arrived today. It's an original and it was made in Austria according to the box. It looks nice, good quality glass & joints as far as I can judge as a glass-noob. Perhaps we should both post a picture to compare the regular & the B-version @ CDS?

    It's taller then I thought & the glass is thicker then I expected. Luckily, because hopefully it will not break as easy as I feared now *knocks on wood*

    I played around with it for a while to get familiar with it. Inserted a brass screen just to try it out which was doable, then a SS screen which was a bitch to get in place. The SS screens I have are a little smaller than the brass screens that come with it plus it doesn't bend as easily so it was really hard to get it where I want. Not sure how deep it's suppose to be in, I made mine to fit about half a centimeter below the point the cane insert will go in the GG bowl for a small bowl size to start with. I have to say this is a shitty & lazy design imo. For how it's priced it should have had a nice flat bowl with some pinches to hold the screen like the GVB bowl. If this is a keeper I'll definitely look in to having someone make me a custom bowl for it. After I was done playing I took the screen out to give it the torch treatment & then I soaked everything in my bong cleaning solution with hot water. I guess it's off to the coffeeshop now to make sure I don't run out of weed during my test session & then hit, I'll be back :brow:

    Part two:

    K, got me some really nice Diesel Haze, a little White Widow, and my regular fav miss Angel Dust, lets get steaming :brow:

    I started with the Diesel, the only one of the three I've never had before. The first two hits were tasty, but practically without visible vapor. I got it going on the third one though, wow! The glass wasn't even red hot yet, but I got clouds so thick I feared for combustion. The 0,1 gram I loaded is starting to turn from green to a light gold/brown without any darker spots, so I guess I could have pushed it a little further if I wanted to, nice to know.

    Did anyone ever combust with this thing just using the heat-the-glass-method?

    K, I need way more practice so i"m gonna finish this bowl now & start another one, later guyz :D


    edit: Urm, I guess I'm not going anywhere :lol:


    I'm really loving this so far. I have to factor in the facts that I haven't eaten a lot today & that this is a new strain to me, but I haven't been this high in weeks. Let alone of just 0,1gram. I got about 10 medium to large sized bong hits out of that 0,1 gram and it isn't even that dark yet. I'll probably get another 5 or 6 good hits from it with my Solo at this point. But I want to see how far I can take it with the Cane, if it can get it as dark as my ceramic Solo without coming to close to combustion I have a new daily driver here.

    Some random first observations:

    -Based on above mentioned experience the Vapocane seems extremely effective. At this point I'm at 12 medium sized dense hits & my AVB is now partly medium dark brown with lighter bits so I estimate I'm at about 2/3 of the bowl of where I usually like to take my weed. I did only try a bowl with top quality bud though, next one will have to be with a slightly lesser quality to see how long that lasts.

    -Heating the glass for less then 10 seconds before you start drawing is enough to produce huge dense clouds if you place your screen so the top of the layer of your green is directly underneath the top/heater part of the Vapocane. Heating the entire outer service of the heater evenly with a large flame seems to work best.

    -You basically get instant vapor with the other method with the flame pointed towards opening of the heater. Be careful with your flame distance, I lightly scorched my bowl almost instantly first time I tried.

    -It looks really sweet with my 250ml Ehle with sandblasted logo :p


    Last edit for now: I finally finished my first bowl after it was feeding time. I'm at 16 really good hits of 0,1 gram right now and my AVB is at a dark brown color but not quit black yet. I could stil get a few more visible vapor hits from it but it does take a little longer to heat it at this point & I'm getting impatience with all this weed to try out so I'm dumping it and proceeding :brow:

    Conclusion so far:

    Right now I choose this over the Vapo Bowl for it's cleaner, almost entirely glass air-path (except for the screen, which I like to eliminate at some point with a custom blown bowl with build in glass screen) when using it with induction-convection method. It's easier this way to maintain a constant temperature & my throat feels less hot than after a Vabo Bowl bowl. It's slightly harder to use and will require a little more technique with the torch then the Vapo Bowl or Vapostar, and one should really think about how to handle this vape beforehand to prevent burning yourself because the glass will get extremely hot, even though it cools down relatively fast as well. I already know I'm gonna burn myself at least once on it. Just like I always cut myself when using a new knife, or spill red wine over it when I wear a new shirt. I hope it'll be just once though, I still wear a mark from my glass Vapo Bowl (on my belly for crying out load). I don't like using the rubber gripper that came with the Cane by the way, I prefer to just let it sit & cool down for half a minute or so and then just gently pick it up by the base of the heater with two fingers. Don't insert it to tight & it'll come out easily, it doesn't need a tight twist for a good seal anyways. Talking about the seal of the GG, with my glass Vapo Bowl I often wished I had a tube with a carb hole because the GG fit is really poor on that one. It's not even at the right angle on mine, it only makes contact with the downstem of my tube at the bottom of the GG connection so you have to kinda jam it in there otherwise it wobbles. This made it so unpleasant to clear the tube by pulling out the slide that usually just took of the metal cap & clear the tube through the bowl because of that. It's nice to have a proper one now.

    The case in shape of a marker is ridiculous in my opinion, it only fits half the vape, where do we put the bowl part? They should have provided another slightly larger one for the bowl as well. The Vapocane also came with a cleaning brush, some brass screens and a torch lighter. I threw away the screens & the brush is to large to fit in the heater part but I guess that won't need much cleaning anyway as long as you don't use a regular flame lighter, it's fine for the bowl part. The torch works ok right now although it doesn't seem to be of a too good quality. I didn't plan on using it anyway, I recommend using a either a soldering torch or a crme brle burner with the Vapocane, I use a Iroda PT-220 which I highly recommend because of it's easy one hand operation, which adds a lot towards safety in my experience.
     
  17. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Glassblower

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    I knew you'd like it, Agony! It really is my favorite lighter-based vape at this point, honestly, in a way, I prefer it to my Supreme. There's no woody flavor and less torch time, and the romance of an all glass setup.

    The bowl system, where a screen is just jammed halfway down a female GonG joint, does seem kind of silly at first, but it grew on me after a bit. It allows for great airflow and the screen generally doesn't want to go anywhere - it's also a nice compromise of a bowl size.

    I have never managed to combust or come close when using the retained-heat method. I've had a friend combust with the direct-inhale method though.

    Oddly enough I've just been using the Vapolution+bubbler for a week or so, they're just a nice pair, so the Vapocane has been sitting in its box. Constantly refilling torches can get old, and none of the tips of Power butane mate well to ANY of my hand torches, large or small, so it always wants to spray everywhere. I bought a small container of Colibri, and it has a soft plastic nozzle, just ONE, that works with all my torches! I've also noticed some issues out of lighters filled with Power, although it could be coincidental.

    The marker only contains the top? That's crazy, I didn't know that. The B comes with a plastic box with a soft insert, which honestly is a better storage solution than I originally gave it credit for.
     
  18. OhTheAgony

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    I've been using it for two days now & I only love it more. It's so much fun to use & the taste is so good. Plus I don't burn my throat anymore like I often did with the Vapo Bowls. & you're right, even though I was bitching about the bowl at first it already grew on me. It's actually a big plus as it gives the user a customizable bowl size. I got mine slightly under 0,1gram now which seems to be ideal for me.
    I haven't combusted with mine yet, but I already noticed it's very easy to combust with the direct inhale method. I prefer the other method though, the taste is so clean this way & it's a lot harder to combust. I did came close yesterday at the end of my last bowl though, got a darker scorched spot in the middle so I guess it is possible. Just looking for the limit.

    I switched to Silver Match butane a few weeks ago because it also caries the zero impurities label & it isn't even half the price of what I used before. It also has a plastic nozzle. I think that's better because it won't damage the filler valve of your lighter like with a metal nozzle & it makes a better seal indeed. My cans do have extra nozzles in the cap but I only use one of them to purge my lighters tank in between fillings, the standard nozzle fits all my lighters as well. I just picked up a few extra cans yesterday because I expect to use a little more tane with the Cane. Saves so much heat up time when I put my large torch on high :)

    Hey, as someone with experience with blowing glass, do you think it's possible to damage the Cane if you heat it too long in one place with your Blazer torch? Like melt it I mean, & if so to what color would you need to take the glass before it would collapse by itself? I ask because I can't get the idea out of my head that my Cane has slightly changed shape a bit :lol:

    I found the Vapocane B for 27 euro's btw, thinking about getting a 18mm version & one of these: click me

    to make a cheap alternative for a glass VG. The tube is very large though, perhaps to large to use it on the go like I was considering. I may have to find a smaller J-hook, but they are hard to find over here it seems.

    What kind of piece do you use with your Cane? I really like my 250m Ehle, but I think it's time to expand the collection a little & get something new for Christmas.
     
  19. Abysmal Vapor

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  20. OhTheAgony

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    Yeah, mine came with a bigger brush and a black cap on my marker-case thingie & no SS screens, but otherwise that's the exact same package I've got.
     
  21. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Glassblower

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    It's possible, yes, but unlikely. Just always keep the torch moving, up and down the length of the cane, going from side to side, front to back, just spreading the love around. For your info though, Glass will begin to glow a red/orange as it heats up, which will then eventually turn into a bright, blinding white when it is hot enough to flow and manipulate. Glassblowers actually wear glasses with special didymium coating, so the brightness doesn't injure their eyes. If you didn't see bright orange or red or white, then you're good; still, if you did, and if you thoroughly heated only one side of the vapocane while allowing the other side to remain relatively cool, there is a remote chance the cane could of "slumped" over in the direction which was hotter, but I doubt you did that, that kind of heat would be well past combustion I think.

    99% of the time at home, I'm using the showerhead bubbler seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zc6FN9W1hY which I got off an awesome forum member at a great price, thanks so much you-know-who-you-are. I'm kind of "done" with bongs at this point, I much prefer bubbler type setups for a number of reasons. All my old tubes just sit there, except the occasional hit out of the inline.
     
  22. OhTheAgony

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    Good info on the glass melting, thanks! It must have been just in my mind then, I sometimes get a little orange/red glow on it, but that's about as far as I take it.

    Been getting to know this little devil quit well the last few days, haven't used anything else since I've got it. The taste & efficiency keep amazing me. I'm even considering selling the Solo, lol.

    How come you prefer the bubblers so much? Are it the esthetics's, the ergonomics, or is it more the diffusion you like better?

    I've been lusting after bubblers for a while now. But or I don't know where to look, or they really aren't very popular over here. Getting one out of the USA doesn't seem like a good idea unless I find a used one I like since the prices are already so high, let alone with added custom-, shipping- & taxes fees. I think I'm gonna take some pictures of bubs I like to a local glass blower and see if he can make something like that for a more reasonable price.
     
  23. canadianlive

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    Hi I have got a Vapocane set from planetvape.ca a week ago. I kind of disliked it and found using it, a chore which I am not interested in taking on. I also bought a Vapo-Bowl at the same time and started using it. Vapo-Bowl was quick and neat I liked it. A day or 2 later I started to feel that Vapo-Bowl vapor is not as tasty as Vapocane's and how ever I tried to eliminate the butane taste and smell it is still there with Vapo-Bowl.

    The problem was the torch that came along with Vapocane set. It is just a micro torch and not enough to do the lovely method B with Vapocane. We have to have a better one than that. I live in Windsor Ontario where this kind of stuff is sparse or you have to drive to Detroit, which is not worth it just for the torch. So I went to Canadian tire and stumbled upon something called "French Cafe Crme Brle Set" which has 4 ceramic pans and a powerful torch. It is $15 which is awesome. Link here if you are wondering http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brow...nch+Cafe+Cr%E8me+Br%FBl%E9e+Set.jsp?locale=en

    Came home with the torch filled it up with king triple refined butane etc etc and got started with Vapocane method B. Man! this time it is like I was tasting some fine wine, no thick but just light vapor. Felt good and very nice. Initially I thought less vapor = less effects but I was wrong. What might be going on here is you are inhaling(or toking) longer than we would with any vaporizer or glass Vapo-Bowl. Overall the Vapor out of this Vapocane and the effects I got from it are the best I have experienced till now. With method B we have to spend anywhere from minute to minute and a quarter to finish our toke(around 40-60 secs preheat time) it's all worth it in the end for the experience we are after purest and tastiest vapor.
     
  24. OhTheAgony

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    I'm not sure precisely how long I heat mine, but if you do it thoroughly you can get really dense vapor using the B-method as well. I often put the torch away before I even start hitting it & get good clouds immediately. Try with a little more weed or with the screen in a slightly higher position if just adding more heat doesn't do it for you.
     
  25. charliedontsurf

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    Yeah, B method can definitely get thick vapor, you can even overbrown and possibly combust with it if you heat long enough. I kind of took mine and Agony's previous discussion as a challenge and tried to get it nice and hot, and you can definitely get your high temperature effects and thick vapor.

    I'm glad you like the Vapocane, Canadian! I think it's a massively underrated vape that more people should give a chance. You got a good deal on the torch, too, and good ceramic ramekins like you got with it are actually 1. usually really expensive and 2. really fun to bake things with. Fill them with frozen blueberries then top with crushed graham crackers, then bake - it's delicious way to get your fruit and a real replacement for unhealthy deserts which I make all the time. Off topic like a mother, I know, haha

    I prefer them now for a number reasons - I prefer a nice mouthpiece to an open bong tube, I like the smaller form factors, I do find the diffusion is sometimes superior, they often have wide Goblet-like bases while having low centers of gravity so they're very stable, I can hit them at my desk easily which is where I do most of my vaping.. And I think the might be see as more elegant and maybe less intimidating to new smokers/vaporists.

    Alot of the big headshop retailers like grasscity and everyonedoesit are based in Europe, aren't they? I know I had to pay about 12 bucks shipping to get my first Vapocane B to my door from grasscity, I think they're English? Anyway, those sites have a decent selection of nice bubblers made in Europe or the US if you look around, and if you wait till their 30% off sales, combined with the relatively low shipping cost of sending it to the Netherlands, you'll probably be able to get a nice bubbler at a good price.

    On the issue of the Solo... Now that I have a 99% stink free Solo, I find it invaluable for making instant vapor converts out of strangers. Its low learning curve and high cloud production, when not crippled by other issues which many Solos have, make for an excellent portable to share with noobies.
     

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