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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by spyder, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    in fact I do have spares (3 or 4 'at least). However i made my adapter and cant do a new one right now.. So i depent on the vapman lighter utterly. That wood puece rules
     
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  2. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Got it, set yourself up for a Murphy attack. If you'd used the ones you have plenty of spares of.......

    As a lad, many many years ago I was a Cub Scout (Junior Boy Scouts). Our 'Den' (group of a dozen or so boys), Den 5, decided on a Totem Pole for display at the annual convention. We each took Oatmeal boxes (cardboard cylinders about 10 inches tall and 6 in diameter) and using paper mache make heads to stack up. Mine had a huge beak. The Denmother's Husband (women ran the meetings and activities) made a pipe pole for us to stack them on (each had holes in top and bottom). We thought it lacked class (didn't look like the pictures) so he made a 6 foot or so plywood set of wings with brackets to hold an Oatmeal box in front of it.

    Of course he picked the single 'oddball' box. "A device selected at random from a group with 98% reliability will be a member of the 2% group. It's a Law. Everyone used Quaker brand except one guy who quit soon after.......about the time we discovered it. We kept his head in (what other option?) after he left and encouraged the next 3 new guys to use the smaller brands box......nobody wanted to do it since they could then never be on the top of the pole.

    Murphy never misses an easy bet.......unless it's to set you up for later.

    Regards and best wishes for the New Year to all.

    OF
     
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  3. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    OF cause :myday:
     
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  4. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    Am I insane?
    Scored 12 bottles of Colibri gas lately for like 45€ :freak:

    As long as they don’t blow off the house I’m good to go for the next year I hope..:sherlock:
     
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  5. Used2use

    Used2use Sometimes to stupid to become a fool

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    That made me think and look again at the egg bottom part - now i need to get a spare egg :lol: and drill a hole in the middle of the bottom part for torch + some cork for insulation/holding the torch...
    But really a nice idea :clap: heating vapman without looking, hiding the flame and getting constant results :tup:
     
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  6. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    Indeed it made things simpler..
    Somehow I messed it up tough : my vapman torch died so I didn’t spend much time and enlarged the hole to fit one of those 1300C lighters from dx.com - it works but could look more pretty.

    Is there much info about how the vapman station measures temperature?
    I received a induction heater meant for a diy vapcap heater today and was thinking: can I use this for a vapman?

    I guess rather not as it’s gonna be hard to make a female end for the vm bowl to get it heated properly but still..
    Likely the vm station works similar...
     
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  7. Alex3oe

    Alex3oe Well-Known Member

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    Had the same in mind, but the measurement/heating process of the station seems quite complex. I can't remember where I read it. Either here on FC or on the Vapman side I think. If I can find it again, I'll post a link.
     
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  8. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    It's been posted here a few times, the latest (less than six months back) is the best IIRC. It's complex but Rene explained it well.

    Look through the posts by the man hisself?

    For a more simple, DIY approach why not a simple timer? Basically what we now do with the lighter. You could put 3 or 4 buttons on it for different times (which you'd pick 'on the fly').

    OF
     
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  9. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    If one adds heat measurements... it’s gonna be complex

    But something like „butane torch on demand but silent“ is a whole other topic..
    If I could get something female which fits the bowl I’m nearly finished
    (Add power supply / batteries+charging , the heater, and a push button and you are set to go.
     
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  10. Philreal187

    Philreal187 Well-Known Member

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    Here is some quotes from @vapman about the heating of the station.



    :peace:
     
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  11. Alex3oe

    Alex3oe Well-Known Member

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    That's why I had to switch back to the Air for vaping at home. My wife hate the sound of click click FCCHHHCHHCHH in the living room :(
     
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  12. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You could always interview for a replacement that has no such issues........

    This (the noise of the lighter) has been discussed a time or two before. To no useful end (obviously), but that's no reason why we shouldn't try again with fresh minds?

    I think we can separate the noise of the lighter to two sources, the 'clack' of the striker and the hiss of the gas delivery. The first has a work around, we can light it with a spark driven by electronics instead of a mechanical hammer. However, to get the focus of heat we need the fuel and air must be mixed first, before the fire part. This is done by a narrow, high speed, jet of Butane which draws air with it before being mixed further and shot through the heat shield to ignite when the temperature goes up enough. To mix it must be turbulent which means inefficient which means sound. We can think about baffling the mixing chamber (AKA 'muffled'), some sound is going to escape out the front most likely.

    As an insight, a normal 'BIC' type candle flame uses the same amount of gas (and therefore deliver the same total energy per second), it's just not focused.

    The idea of making it into a corded vape, electrically heated on demand, came up as well. And may have merit?

    A stand alone, electrically heated post (while dangerous.....) might also work? You'd put the VM on top for 'a five count' and take it off and hit it. It could be set up to deliver the 'right amount' of calories like we do with the lighter. It could have a sliding cover I guess, but touching the heated stem would be something you would not like to do a second time. A corded version is easy, a portable a bit harder without getting big and heavy with batteries. As a guess, something of a coffee mug size should support several sessions between charges and could sit on the coffee table when the urge hits?

    Your call. Silent heating is a tough problem, but then again breaking in a new wife can be too?

    OF
     
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  13. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    @OF

    My build for a induction heater for my vapcap is gonna happen for sure - I will try adding a metal stick/tube and see how that goes.. is the bowl of the vm induction-Powerable tough?

    BTW how about a Milaana styled heater (or Mflb concept)?
     
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  14. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is. It's Copper under the Gold plate. Coupling could be an issue? The rim is thin and you need to clear the air tubes, but if you can pull it off it has potential to be mighty cool IMO.

    Howcome the microwave vape never happened?

    OF
     
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  15. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    Because of its size..
    Wanna green out? Put a ounce in the microwave and your waving away high af..

    (It’s the vape alternative to a blunt. For those with A tolerance)
     
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  16. Used2use

    Used2use Sometimes to stupid to become a fool

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    Microwave vapes work best with fresh cut weed :p
    Much easier approach would be to make a battery pack for the station - it's 20V DC if i remember correct, only question would be how much +/- V tolerance the station can take... (@vapman ? )
    Eg 5 18650s might equal the same diameter for an 'add on base'?
     
  17. vapman

    vapman Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Induction heating is not possible with copper, it must be iron (steel)! Non iron metals can't be heated by induction, the herb chamber of vapman is made of copper. The chamber could be made of steel but it would not work with the lighter. This is why, I decided on a contact heater.

    The station works between approx. 16V to 23V. Below this, it would be quite slow and above this, it will blow the fuse. A battery pack is well possible, friends of mine are already doing it.

    vapman
     
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  18. Used2use

    Used2use Sometimes to stupid to become a fool

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    Nice :), that makes it really easy 'rigging' something up - a simple and cheap solution might be a 18V 5A tool battery with a little DC meter as battery indicator...
     
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  19. Alex3oe

    Alex3oe Well-Known Member

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    Had the station at home for a few days, but sent it back. It`s really a beautiful device, looked so nice on my desk and the design and quality seem to be great, but in my opinion the max temperature is not high enough. I often vape hash using the concentrate screen. With the station, even at highest temperature, I was not able to extract the whole amount of THC. Get still quite some vapor using a lighter afterwards.

    Perhaps you could change this at a 3.0 station and add some higher temperatures? Would buy one at once :)
     
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  20. Used2use

    Used2use Sometimes to stupid to become a fool

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    guessing u are talking about european style hash (still too many variety factors)? - my method is to vape it a while on the concentrate screen like u do. But if i feel the vapour declines i dump it out, recrumble the hash and put it direct in the pan with the screen on top - it won't gump up much bc most of the oils are gone by then... Higher temps give imo only funky taste with hash :ko:
     
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  21. Alex3oe

    Alex3oe Well-Known Member

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    hmm, that sounds like quite a good idea. I put hash directly in the pan when I started using a Vapman. But I got more and more dirt/sediments (don`t find the right expression for this) which could`t be removed with iso or similar, only by scratching with a metal tool. So when I bought my second Vapman I only vaped hash with the concentrate screen to avoid this and not damaging the pan.
     
  22. Tom59

    Tom59 Major Tom

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    So im thinking about buying one of these badboys!

    Anything i should be warned about?
     
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  23. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    Your „special friend“ might ask if you are ill because you will need quite some less herb..
     
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  24. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Sure is, don't think one will be enough. Soon those other models will seem mighty attractive.......

    Be sure you have good lighters available, and that means a backup? I suggest you order a couple of these:
    https://www.tinydeal.com/refillable-jet-1300-butane-lighter-with-tank-p-2570.html
    http://www.dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320#.Wlt3-RK8oWw

    Same lighter, different sellers. Three bucks each shipped? Very useful and tough. I suggest one (or more?) from each seller to counter long ship times?

    OF
     
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  25. Tom59

    Tom59 Major Tom

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    Awesome! Thank you for the info!

    :D
     
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