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VapeXhale heater mods

Discussion in 'DIY' started by lazylathe, Dec 24, 2013.

  1. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    Following on from the thread here:
    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/f...per-cheap-unauthorized-and-unsupported.11412/

    Where i bought an unsupported Cloud off e bay, returned the first one for DOA and now the second one is also DOA.
    I decided to try and figure out what was wrong with the vape and then see if i could fix it!

    When i opened the unit i saw that the ceramic heater was cracked in 3 places.
    Checked the continuity with a multi meter and saw that there was no current flowing through the heater.
    I am sure the cracked ceramic severed the connections to the thin heating elements rendering it useless.
    Out with the diamond disc to cut through the ceramic heater and gently remove it from the bamboo.
    Quite and easy job to accomplish and then i scraped the bamboo clean from the bonding material.

    Desoldered the heater connections and the thermocouple from the circuit board.
    One tip, if you decide to remove the thermocouple note that the wires do not tin and soldering back to the board is quite difficult! An easy way around this is to bend the wire into a small U-Shape and then solder into the holes in the circuit board. This way it is a more mechanical bond and the wires stay fastened well.

    Wrap new heater around bamboo and secure with aluminum wire so that there is maximum contact with the bamboo. Ensure you place the thermocouple between the bamboo and the heater!
    Replace the insulation and we are almost ready to test it out!

    I needed to enlarge the holes in the casing to accommodate the larger bamboo, easy to do with a Dremel type tool.
    The only issue i have is that i cannot fasten one screw because the heater mat is pushing against the board slightly. I have added some extra insulation on the bottom to protect the board from heat and it works really well.

    Solder the new heater to the same connections on the board and put everything back together again.
    I tested it outside the enclosure to make sure it actually works.
    At noon it is really hot and the extraction is really fast!
    Moving it down to the 10 -11 o'clock position seems to be the best for many its and tasty vapour!

    I have been in contact with the seller on e bay and he has been extremely helpful!
    I told him what i had done and that i knew i had destroyed any chance of getting another replacement.
    I was okay with my decision and was willing to accept any failures.
    Luckily for me the seller offered a new bamboo and heater assembly for me to install!!!
    ALL FOR FREE!!!
    Amazing service and help, even after i disassembled the unit!

    Enough talking and on with the pictures!!!

    The modded unit all together
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    The new Silicone heater mat
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    The broken ceramic heating element
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    The connection to the original ceramic heater
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    The top of the unit with the silicone heater just visible
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    Silicone heater wrapped around the bamboo
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    The soldered connections of the silicone heater to the board
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    And the final test!
    Red LED at switching on
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    And a few minutes later the GREEN LED comes on!!!!
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    I will try and take a video of it working a bit later!
    The after effects from last night are still lingering after 3 to 4 1/4 to half full ELB's...
     
  2. Tweak

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    Awesome lazylathe.

    Which brings up an interesting idea, could a glass blower somehow integrate the heating coil/element straight into a piece of glass?

    I'm tearing my toaster apart as we speak. :lol:

    I wonder how this compares to a normal cloud.

    Great work my friend, :cheers:. I may be contacting you if my VXC ever goes out, :evil:.
     
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  3. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    So i tried to shot a quick and dirty video!
    Next time i am going to get a friend to vape and i will record it.
    Doing it yourself takes some serious effort!!!

    I used my phone…
    First time i turn on the picture mode…
    Took a few pictures before figuring it out…
    Got the video mode going and by this stage, after two hits i am stoned beyond belief already!
    Set up the phone and hit record…
    Kind of got some vapour but the angle was all messed up and i am too baked to try again…

    Numb face, arms etc…
    If the original is as good as this frankevape is then i will be truly amazed!!!
    Makes me want my EVO even more!!!

    Video is busy uploading, i will link to it soon!
    Time to go fly…

    Here is the video…
    Prepare for the worst! I am still coming down…
     
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  4. mrboote

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    Atta boy @lazylathe! Thanks for sharing your experiment with us, much appreciated. I submit that the title of the thread needs changing. The only thing that makes "fake" appropriate in the other thread title is the unauthorized nature of the sale, this mod/repair applies to any cloud+...
     
  5. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    ain't that the truth ... i'm using a thermocouple with 30awg leads (0.010") - i make several loops and jam it into a plated through hole in the pcb, then lay on the solder to physically hold it in contact with the trace. seems to hold up just fine after thousands of heat up/cool down cycles.
     
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  6. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    I like that!!
    Thanks i will see if i can get a mod to change it to something more appropriate then!
    :tup:

    @vtac Could you please change the thread title to "VapeXhale heater mods"
    Thanks!

    Edit: And so far the best thing is the outer shell only gets WARM to the touch!!
    Even the aluminum housing that has HOT stamped on it does not get burning hot.
    So i guess that is a plus!
     
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  7. mestizo

    mestizo Well-Known Member

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    If only there was a way for VXL to hire your services to fix all the broken Clouds, that would be awesome.
     
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    stickstones Eccentric of mist Staff Member

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  9. marduk

    marduk daydreamer

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    Nicely done! Looks like if the heater was an inch or so shorter, you would be able to see the LED light up at the joint like a standard Cloud.
     
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  10. thesoloman

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    This is really awesome that you managed to do this, i worrying over my cloud dying and now i wont have to worry as much.
    I had figured i could rig up some heating coil to make it work, but you sir blew my idea out of the water. :clap::tup::tup:

    I think I'm going to see if i can purchase or have sent to me extra bamboos, incase it does break ever(:
     
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  11. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    So i have been cycling the unit on and off the whole day.
    Put about 2 full ELB's through it since this morning and every time it blows me away!

    I have to say that fresh ground is way better than pre ground material for me.
    The last session had me sitting down with the room spinning and feeling nauseous, kind of like the first time ever all again!! Wicked!

    Can't wait for my EVO to arrive so i can compare!

    I think the silicone heater mats focus more of the temperature in one direction.
    I placed the side with the thinner covering on the bamboo so the thicker outer cover seems to keep a lot of the heat in and not radiate it outwards.
    This could also be why it runs cooler to the touch.

    And just for you i tried to over use it and almost coughed my guts out!
    I managed to do three massively fast pulls one after another and the vapour was thick and heavy all three times and it kept up. I came out second best though and had to sit and meditate and calm down for an hour….
     
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  12. elmomuzz

    elmomuzz That just happened...

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    You are awesome! I've been thinking of ways to fix broken clouds and by George you did it. :)
     
  13. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    Lol!
    I was lucky that I had something lying around that I could experiment with.
    I am sure someone on Alibaba could fabricate a similar heater to the original cloud heater.

    I am just happy that this monster is keeping me very medicated with quite a lot less herb!
     
  14. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    Update time:

    The heater seems to be holding up nicely so far, although it is not a leave on all the time vape.
    Time to heat up and produce vapour is 2:20. Not sure how this compares to the legitimate version?

    So for me this is a perfect time as i can prepare the herb, clean out an ELB and reload and then it is ready to vape!
    1/4 full ELB's seem to work really well!
     
  15. olivianewtonjohn

    olivianewtonjohn Well-Known Member

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    How long does it take for it to reach temperature?
     
  16. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    It takes 2 minutes and 20 seconds for the LED to turn GREEN.
    Then i place the ELB in, the direct draw stem on the joint and start inhaling.
    So i guess around 2 minutes and 30 seconds to reach temperature.

    Is that good?
     
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  17. canj00digit?

    canj00digit? All my days in a daze...

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    @lazylathe, awesome job man!
    You've surely given hope to all those owners of broken Clouds.
    And the cost of the mod is so low also.
    Wow. :clap:
     
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  18. Tweak

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    Mine takes about the same to go green, but I prefer it to heat up for a good 5-15 minutes before getting thick clouds.

    Does your casing get hot at all?
     
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  19. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    No it gets warm but it is very comfortable to hold right at the top of the unit.
    It is a nice hand warmer!
     
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  20. b0

    b0 Vapor powered

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    Thanks for this post @lazylathe! Now if my Cloud+ dies someday (8 months old and still going strong) I know there is a good and cheap solution :D
     
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  21. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    One thing i am finding with this modded unit is that i seem to have a weed hangover the next day for a long time!
    Kind of like when i used to drink too much the night before. I quit drinking almost 2 years ago so now my vapes have taken the glasses place!

    Anyway i find i can handle maybe 3 1/4 full ELB's and then i am DONE!! And this is over the course of a few hours!

    Ripping it with my Pinnacle WT has changed this beast into an amazing vape!!
    Can't wait to compare it to the EVO when it finally arrives…
    Looks like it will not be this year….
     
  22. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    can you post some pictures of your setup? also, what temp are you running to get the hangover?
     
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  23. mvapes

    mvapes Surrounded by the healthy!

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    Hey Lazy - I have a completely defunct cloud that was deemed unrepairable. I would love to send it to you for free, if you can fix it feel free to give it to a member that may be less fortunate than we've been.
     
  24. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    I will do it for you if you pick the member.
    Lets see how this goes and if it is successful i have two more heaters i will donate!
     
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  25. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    This is what the ghetto setup looks like at the moment
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    So far i run it at 10:30 to 100:00 and no more.
    The ABV i get is dark for me but still too green for others.
    This is what 4 hits looks like, when i load it is a bright green
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    I can get it a lot darker but i hate the taste at those temps so never go really dark like some do.

    I think my friend is coming over one day soon and i will get him to do a proper test!
    He has iron lungs and loves combustion, so he always goes for the darkest ABV he can get.
    Pictures will be taken of the load before and after use.
     
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