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Vapebonging - How Much Higher?

Discussion in 'ABV' started by sektr, Jan 29, 2014.

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  1. sektr

    sektr Well-Known Member

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    I've had my Ascent for a bit over a week now, really loving it, and I'm interested in getting the water adapter for it to try out vapebonging, as I have a glass collection from my combustion days and want to still be able to make use of that.

    My main complaint with my Ascent is that it doesn't get me anywhere near as high as hitting the bong would with equivalent amounts of bud, and even when it is ANYWHERE near that level it subsides much more quickly. Would vaping through a bong help with this? It just feels... different... like something is missing, if I had to put my finger on it I'd have to say the intense body high. The painkilling effects of bud don't seem to be as effective right now.

    If I'm impressed with the water tool with the Ascent I may go ahead and invest in a heavy duty home vape like the VXC Evo for daily use.

    So yeah, how much higher does vapebonging get you over dry vaping? And will it get me closer to the bong high I've become accustomed to?
  2. Magic9

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    I don't know if it gets you "higher", but I'm a recent convert to vapebonging. It's kind of a must for me now. Love it.
  3. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    Water would only help the herb work stronger if the only thing preventing you from taking big hits is the heat or harshness of direct draw.

    Most likely that isn't the case

    Additionally, thc isn't considered water soluble, but not it's also not 100% insoluble.


    Most likely you will need a powerful desktop vaporizer that puts out thick, high temp vapor if your ascent's vapor is not satisfying compared to smoke.

    /2 cents
  4. Pre Stoned

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    I have heard that using warm/semi-hot water helps your lungs absorb the active chemicals more easily. I have tested it as well and you definitely do feel it quicker. Though I wouldn't say it gets you much higher than normal. try it out.

    There's a thread about it somewhere around here.

    Edit: Here we go. If you wanna read it there's some good discussion.
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  5. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    Crap I forgot about that.
    I remembered when I started typing, but forgot it by the end xD

    There is definitely some reasonable logic that says water-conditioned vapor (or smoke) is more easily absorbed by the lungs. I'm not a chemist, so I can't state that as fact, but I certainly heard it explained by someone with an extensive background in chemistry.
  6. sektr

    sektr Well-Known Member

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    I can take full lung capacity hits, that's not the issue. It's the high itself.

    I'd compare the high I get from a fully packed .3-.4 bowl in my Ascent more to the high I'd get smoking a .5 joint, if I put .3-.4 in my bong I'm going to be couchlocked for the next hour or two, but with my vape I can walk out my front door right after with no concerns.

    I guess what I'm really asking is will it help me attain the body high I don't seem to be getting, or is this just something vaporizing doesn't offer? (I HAVE heard that the vape high "seems to be missing something" for a lot of long term smokers)
  7. lwien

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    What color is your ABV after it's done in the Ascent?
  8. Unconnected

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    I would say get a desktop vaporizer first they are all about 5x better than portables, vaporising offers the complete stone that combustion does, if you have a good vaporizer. I have used many portables, while they get me high they dont get me stoned. Go buy a cloud or a ssv or a herbalizer or an extremeq and hook that up to a bong, you will be in space. Without the bong you will still be in space, unless your ABV is a very dark brown you wont get much couch lock, most portables cannot accomplish this.

    Portables are a bit of a joke unless your using a BHO pen, for the life of me i cant understand why everyone on here tells everybody to get a portable as their first vape, all of them pale in comparison to a proper desktop vaporizer and seriously does a disservice to a first time vaper, long time smoker like many of us are/were. Maybe if your some 15 year old who has never smoked weed before, a solo will get you to the moon and back, but anyone with a bit of combustion experience will not be very impressed.

    TLDR buy a real vape before you give up on vaping all together because your ascent just doesnt have the power to give you complete vaporization.
  9. sektr

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    DARK brown. I'm getting very solid clouds out of it too so seriously doubt it's my technique.

    I simply don't get the tingly body buzz that combustion affords from it. I know other people have noticed the same thing with (portable) vapes.

    I guess my question here is, will vaping through a bong CHANGE the high at all, as smoking through a bong would vs. smoking a joint? Or is it the same high just a little higher?
  10. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    It might change it a little bit, but water isn't going to make vapor have stronger body high effects. If anything, it might make it feel purer and even more heady.

    With dark brown abv and solid clouds.... I'm not CERTAIN that a desktop vaporizer would fix the issue. But, it might.
  11. lwien

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    To say that all desktop vapes are 5x better than portables is simply not true.

    What also isn't true is that vaporizing offers the complete stone that combustion does, simply for the fact that there are certain cannabinoids that can only be released at combustion temps or damn close to them. Also, with vapor, you are not getting toxins like benzine and carbon monoxide that you get when you combust and those toxins add to that body high.

    There are many here who use portables and they get very stoned from them.

    The ABV coming out of my Launch Box is a very dark brown. It was also a very dark brown coming out of my Ascent. I'd say that most portables can accomplish getting the ABV to a very dark brown.

    I'm impressed with some of the portables on the market and I've probably been combusting weed longer than you've been alive, or at the very least.............a lot longer than you have and I think I can say that with a lot certainty.

    Bullshit. The Ascent can give you complete vaporization. To imply that the Ascent is not a real vape is just.......................wrong.

    Edit: Sorry for the "bullshit" comment, but posts like this makes me double check to make sure that I'm not at GC rather than here.

    Keep in mind that when you combust, you are getting toxins like benzine and carbon monoxide and those toxins do contribute to that tingly body buzz along with some of the cannabinoids that can only be released at close to or at combustion temps.

    Rather than getting a bong or a different vape, my suggestion to you would be to totally stop smoking for about 3 to 4 weeks to give your body a chance to wean itself off of those toxins. Just vape during this period. Most people make the transition to vaping and will never go back, but there some who miss those toxins so much that vaping will never really satisfy them.
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  12. Caligula

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    Aaaaaaand... Iwien beat me to it.
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  13. sektr

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    Thanks man, saw your reply over at GC too, appreciate the info.

    I've only combusted 3 times in the past week since getting the Ascent, trying to ween myself further and further off.

    I guess really to be less specific what I was asking was simply "Will hitting it through a bong get me a more intense high than seshing it slowly?" (my logic being that if I roll a .3 joint and load a .3 bowl in my bong, smoking the joint gets me a mellow, drawn out high, while the bong will put me on my ass for an hour, yet I'm smoking the same amount both ways)

    I'm going to invest in the water tool adapters for it regardless anyways, if it nets a more intense high, YIPPEE, if not, well at least the 14mm one will serve some purpose as it seems like consensus is the 14mm water adapter for the Ascent is better than the stock mouthpiece
  14. Unconnected

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    Dont buy a glass buy a better vaporiser. If portables were so good people would not spend hundreds of dollars on proper home units. The amount of heat energy that a portable can impart on your weed is simply not the same as a proper home unit. I dont want to offend users of portables but ive seen too many people convinced incorrectly to buy a portable vape as their first vapes, and thats just not the way to sell vaporization. I love my cera, but its not enough to put me to sleep.

    A bong might get you more stoned, but i would say mostly thats from you taking bigger lung buster hits, depriving your brain of oxygen leading to you feeling more stoned. A bigger and better vaporizer will actually get you more stoned through better vaporization and higher temperatures, if you want to feel couch lock you need to turn it up a bit. People talk about benzene, im waiting for an actual scientific study to tell you the trace amounts you get are actually bad for you. It doenst exist so far, so vape on.
  15. vorrange

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    Check the Lotus and let me know if a portable can't vape like a home unit. The bowl is not "heavy hitter" category of course, but the extraction is top notch.

    The water pieces don't get you higher, in fact since there is loss of flavour it is safe to assume there is loss of terpenes, which potentiate the effects of THC, so if there are less terpenes, the high will in comparison always be less than if you didn't use water. BUT, using water does cool the vapor a lot, and diffusion breaks the particles in smaller particles which allow for a better assimilation in your lungs, and the cooler vapor allows you to take longer hits hence getting high faster.

    To this day i'm not entirely convinced when am i higher, whether dry or with water, but if i had to guess it would be dry because i always use more herbs and do more bowls when i'm using my bong so i think that plays a big part.
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  16. sektr

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    I've heard this same logic applied to bongs vs. pipes "something gets filtered in the water blah blah you'll be taking in less THC", well then why do I get so much higher off a bong than I do off a pipe?

    Any amount of actives lost through water filtration are 100% negligible, trying to say it filters out any noticeable amount is like audiophiles saying one digital cable is better than another (note I am not using analog cables in this example).

    Anyways, I'm pickin up a DBV for $80 from a buddy this weekend, so will test that thoroughly and report back!
  17. Caligula

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    You can obviously take in more active compounds in a shorter amount of time by using a bong versus a pipe. This is why your comparison is irrelevant. In this situation, it would be best to compare taking equal sized hits out of said bong when dry and then through water... not an easy task given the extra volume allowed by hitting the piece dry versus via water.

    Let me ask you this... what hits you harder, drinking a beer over 15 to 20 minutes or shotgunning it all in one chug? Its the same amount of alcohol either way, right?
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  18. vorrange

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    And how did you evaluate the negligibility?

    If you had read my post carefully you would have seen i answered your question when i mentioned the longer hits and the diffusion.
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  19. Caligula

    Caligula *results not typical.

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    Dude. Its 100% negligible. Solid logic is solid.
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  20. Unconnected

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    The DBV should do you well mate, compare it to your ascent and tell me that the ascent offers complete vaporization compared to a home unit. they dont, whispy shitty hits are not HITS.

    Get that temp knob up, on my ssv i go for around 9 am start, then progress to 1-2pm for the power hit session. im talking knob positions here, not time of day.
  21. vorrange

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    Whispy shitty hits are a result of the conduction process. I get what you're saying but the way you say it might lead someone in error.
    The fact that you get whispy hits does not equate bad extraction, that is a result of other factors coupled with conduction extraction.

    A DBV uses convection which gives you thick cloudy hits. The Lotus is a portable and gives you similarly thick clouds although not as big because the bowl is like 5x smaller but, a big exhale is wastefull and a very big exhale the more wastefull it is. It is fun, and i like it... but you're throwing away cannabinoids nonetheless. So, the DBV bowl and subsequent cloud potential is not important to your high if you keep fogging the room and not your lungs.

    Which vape to choose would be up to you sektr, based on what you value in a vaporizer but clearly the Ascent is not the best unit to transition.
    The DBV/SSV is a good option, the Enano/UD as well, or the high end units like the EVO/herbalizer ... all of them will guarantee good results. Choose based on your budget but also on what features you need/prefer. (easily concealable, ease of cleaning, digital temperature or analog temperature, size, extraction quality, fragility/durability, etc)
  22. Unconnected

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    Yeah dont get the wrong idea, i dont think portables are totally pointless, imo they make great morning and day vapes and i love my cera which itself is not a big hitter compared to other portables, but in OPs case he wants to simulate smoking a bong, you need a full on big hitting big consuming vape for that. In my opinion its a complete waste of pot to vaporize without reaching your personal level of satisfaction, for some (many maybe) that level of satisfaction is only attained by reaching consumption levels that make vaporizing lose most of its herb consumption benefits. But imo thats fine, i spend the same amount as before on bud, get just as stoned but with no combustion chemicals.
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  23. smokum

    smokum I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!

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    I feel many are impatient when 1sr starting out with vaping. They all want 'exact' effect replacement and it will never happen (obviously). If new vapers would give a dedicated effort to ONLY vaping for 3+ weeks, their body & mind would learn to appreciate the 'clean' difference and effect, while wondering why they ever combusted in the 1st place ;)

    In my own case, after giving the transition to vaping a chance, I very satisfied now with what vaping offered me over the hacking and next day horks of combustion. If they still require deeper effect to be satisfied, they can always look into concentrates if need be.
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