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Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by Papa Sean, Aug 22, 2014.

  1. Papa Sean

    Papa Sean New Member

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    I am really just wanting to get a consensus from vape officionados.
    I am new to vaping, and I would like to know what temperature you prefer to use, and how long before you call it cashed? The reason is, I have cashed in at a brown color, and today I cashed at Black. Looked burnt to me. I think I know the answer, but I want to check it.
    Thanks,
    Papa Sean:chill:
     
  2. Caligula

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    If it looks burnt it probably is. Best way to tell is by taste and smell of the "vapor". If it tastes and smells like smoke, it is. FYI you dont need a "cherry" to have combustion.

    In any case, I'm done when either flavor or vapor is gone, whichever comes first (usually flavor). Vape temp is completely dependent on the the vape im using, the herb, the grind of the herb (or not as the case may be), and if Im using a water tool or not.

    Generally, if I want a more heady high I stay low temp. If I need to go to sleep or need a body high for whatever reason, I go higher. I use lower temps for dry and higher temps for water all the way around though.
     
  3. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    I agree with @Caligula on every point except that if it looks burnt then it probably is. You can turn ABV black without burning it. If you have to ask then you didn't reach combustion. The taste and smell is unmistakable.
     
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  4. Deja Vu

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    I start at 220 and pretty much only go as high as 230. I get a good 10 hits out of it, first few with non-visible vapour, next few with thick vape and then progressively less clouds as the hits go on. At the end I get no visible vapor and it tastes a bit dry on my mouth so I stop and the flower is always a nice toasted brown with a very dry and crumbly appearance. I may be starting with a very high starting temperature but nobody has told me otherwise and it's working for me so far.. ;)
     
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  5. Caligula

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    @pakalolo I see how that came off the wrong way. I meant to say if it looks like that and he smelled or tasted smoke he combusted.
     
  6. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    @Papa Sean - one of my favorite questions ... i prefer 390°F to 395°F, but it really depends on the quality of the herb. If it is truly superior, with massive dankosity, then i like 380°F.

    just my opinion, but i think i count as one of the officious (at least my gf says so):
     
  7. max

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    One of the great pluses to vaporizing, vs. smoking, is that you have a choice of temps. Finish it off at a higher temp and you'll get a more sedative effect. Stop at a lower temp and you'll have a more energized high. Then you reheat and crank it up a bit later on, or not.
     
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  8. lwien

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    Or crank it up to 380 to 385 from the very beginning and get the best of both worlds right away. ;)
     
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  9. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    higher temp to me means > 400°F, and usually 420°F, to extract the CBD, CBN, sedatives, etc. so with an accurate temperature control vape (what? doesn't everybody have one?), the 380°F-385°F doesn't get 'em.
     
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  10. lwien

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    It's a trade-off I guess. I just don't like the taste along with the extra benzine and carbon monoxide that occurs at higher temps.
     
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  11. Chill Dude

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    Yeah, you're right it's kind of a risk reward thing. That said, from the clinical studies that I've read, it seems the consensus is that while Benzene and other toxins begin to release at about 400F, it is only in very small amounts(way less than smoking). IMO, the benefits of high temps outweigh the extremely small risk. I like to get the full spectrum of canabinoids and the heavier effects from high temp vapeing.
     
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  12. Deja Vu

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    The info in those last 4 or 5 posts were all new to me. Very interesting. I have always personally noticed that those last few hits after cranking up the temperature are not as satisfying for what I try to achieve with my sesh. Now I know what's going on!
     
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  13. vape4doc

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    Since getting my herbalizer, I find I start at 360ish and end about 400 or 420. I'm just experimenting with what worse best for pain for me. The only problem is that my gi distress is alleviated the following day, not immediately so I don't get quick feedback.
     
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  14. Papa Sean

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    Thanks for the insight amigo. I'm on the same page as you. Love that definition to!

    Right on people! Thanks for the insight from all of you. As I mentioned before, I was fairly sure of what the answer would be. And although I didn't take the comment personally, the idea that if I had to ask I didn't burn it was right on the money. Just want to make sure I'm not cashing in to early.
     
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  15. krusht

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    There is one way for YOU to SEE what's left in the brown leavings - find a microscope (they're NOT pricey) of 30x or 40x magnification! You will find that some trics left but at black, rest assured, it's totally gone
    I think you're bang-on dude, with my understanding that THC vapes @ lower temps. while CBD doesn't come off 'til we get HIGHER temps., so if one wishes to save leavings, it will boost CBD content in your CannaButter for night-time edibles!And if you don't make edibles or concentrates, you're missing the boat on the medical side!

    I LOVE HAVING LEARNED THAT!

    !
     
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  16. pakalolo

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    That was my comment, and I've made it many times without ever considering that someone might take it as condescending. Thanks for the heads-up. :tup: I'll phrase it differently from now on.

    Re benzene at higher temperatures: I will once again point out that this notion can be traced back to a single reference in Gieringer's 2001 paper, which he failed to quantify and did not repeat in his joint paper with St. Laurent and Goodrich three years later. I would be grateful if someone could link me to a paper that substantiates this claim, since I have so far been unable to find one.

    Also, I'm sure at least some of you are aware that just because you don't reach high temperatures doesn't mean you don't get any of the compounds with higher boiling points. You just get less of them. Again the research to quantify just how much hasn't been done yet, or at least I can't find it.
     
  17. Caligula

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    Given the intrinsic variables associated with vaporizing flowers, it would be nearly impossible to say how much of what is going to be properly volatilized at what temps. Things like grind, density, moisture content, et al... will all play factors here.
     
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  18. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    I agree with Pakalolo that although there is evidence that you can absorb more canabinoids at higher temperatures; to date there haven't been studies that quantify how much more canabinoids are released at various temperatures. This would be good to know... All I know, is I get much heavier effect at higher temperatures. I get more sedation, pain relief and a much stronger body high at the higher temps. This leads me to believe that I must be getting higher doses of major canabinoids to produce those effects. IDK

    Also, like you stated there are so many other variables that could skew results one way or the other. There is obviously a need for further studies. In my view, the Herbalizer would be the perfect vaporiser for such studies as it has a temperature range that goes all the way up to 445F and more importantly precise temperature control using state of the art technology.
     
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  19. Caligula

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    Oh I'm sure there are much more accurate and purpose made machines to test with. In a lab setting of course, not talking about a layman doing stuff at home.
     
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  20. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    True, but why use devices that aren't available to the public. I want researchers to use a mass market vape that people actually use, not a lab created robot machine which no one will use. That said, I get your point on accuracy, lab testing and the need to adjust for all variables. That said, one of the major studies to date did actually use the Volcano..
     
  21. vape4doc

    vape4doc Well-Known Member

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    I am excited that there will be more research on this in the future. With legalization in Colorado and Washington, both states with great universities, it's only a matter of time before we see some real numbers.
     

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