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Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by StonedForever, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. StonedForever

    StonedForever No life you say?

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    So ive heard the different highs between these 2 but what happens if you vape then load a bowl and smoke? would you get that lazy stoney feel while getting extremely high?
  2. SpruceGruve

    SpruceGruve Bag of sand in hand,Eyeing up the gold statue

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    The only benefit you would get is your weed would get you really high when vapeing,then much less when you smoke it.....basically it will make your bag last longer but you lost the health benefit of vapieng.

    If you want to get the most of your vapeing experience make sure your product is nice and ground up and cured right.
    Secondly start at a low temperature like 166c,go until not much vapor is being released,then switch to 172c-178c,until not much vapor......keep going up in small increments until your around 200-208c then stop....

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    Keep your vape weed,make edibles or oil

    Edit-I'm not sure if your vape has variable temperature,Edit
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  3. StonedForever

    StonedForever No life you say?

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    Yup i adjust my temps etc etc but i was just curious if it would make a better high if i did both because i have heard that from vaping you dont get some of the effects like you do with smoking. So i was thinking vape+smoke=epichigh/ High thc from vape then getting the smoke benefits (not like smoking is good for you i mean the high that comes with it.)
  4. goatgobaahh

    goatgobaahh Well-Known Member

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    Vaping at high temps will give you that smoking lazy kind of high. I usually have an hour to partake once I get home after work.

    I'll crank it up to 215 c and be ready for bed in 15 minutes. I do like to take my time and start low while gradually moving the temp up,but sometimes I just don't have the time.
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  5. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    Most of the effects that you don't get from vapour are the toxic effects of the by-products of combustion, such as carbon monoxide. It's true that without reaching combustion temperatures, not all of the actives are released (why people keep ABV) but this is a limitation on the quantity not the quality. Components that have boiling points higher than the temperature you're using begin to vapourize at lower temperatures so they are present, just at a lower ratio. Also, combustion destroys some components before you ever inhale them.

    In other words, the high will be different. Whether it is better is subjective. For me, the possibility that I might feel higher isn't worth the horrible taste and definite toxins from smoking. Besides, I don't think I'd feel any higher, vapourizing works as well for me as smoking ever did. YMMV.
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  6. DanAndroid

    DanAndroid Of no particular interest

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    As the comedian Gallagher once said, "Stoned people shouldn't smoke dope, you don't get any higher, only lower on dope.".

    Words to live by. :lol:
  7. GR

    GR Well-Known Member

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    If I choose to smoke it is a joint rolled up with a 1/4g of oil, these works great for parties with folks that mostly combust since the joint will feed many people multiple hits from a joint.

    For me medically and recreationally I prefer vaping oil.
  8. synche

    synche Well-Known Member

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    I first started vaping last March if memory serves me to conserve my supply. I went 90-95% vaping, a joint here or there walking the dog or something. I greatly preferred the vaping high at that time and it preserved my dwindling supply.

    I recently finished a 2 month stint working and living 24/7 on a farm the entire harvest season and I while I brought my vapes, I had access to unlimited supplies and with lots of time on my hands I enjoyed rolling and smoking many joints. I found that when I was both vaping and smoking a lot more than I was used to I was just getting way more stoned than I was used to and couldn't differentiate between the highs like when I first switched to vaping.

    Now that I'm back home I find that am smoking joints and bowls more than before the farm, while still vaping a lot. The one thing a joint can do that no vape can do is provide a long lasting session without having to reload a bowl over and over. I can roll a 2 gram joint and gently puff it while I watch a movie or something with only an occasional relight, especially good with company.
    While the taste of weed vaped is obviously better than smoked, really good weed smoked still tastes great in a joint or bowl to me, and I am really enjoying mixing smoking and vaping, especially because I have a bountiful supply this year and don't have to conserve.

    I love straddling the vaping/combustion fence, best of both worlds to me!
  9. DanAndroid

    DanAndroid Of no particular interest

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    I don't remember reading a rule that said one could only do one or the other and if there is such a rule, I break it often. :lol:

    It is sort of like e-cigs, some people think they "fail" if they have a butt now and again after switching to e-cigs but the way I look at it is that every puff that is vaped is one that is not smoked.

    It's all good. :)
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  10. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    I don't know what vapourizer you use but this is a misconception. In fact, it's completely the opposite of how the majority of vapourizers work.

    When I smoked it was always joints. One of the things I immediately loved about vapourizing was that there was no pressure to take hits unless I wanted one. This is completely different from a joint, where I always felt compelled to take another hit quickly because otherwise my expensive weed was just burning away. Most of the time I'd smoke half and put it out, but even if I'd put it out after each hit (which I didn't do of course) the waste was appalling.

    The only vapourizers that encourage chain-hitting are the portables that are always heating the load, like the Pax. The other type that support your claim are those that can exhaust a load in one or two hits, like the Sublimator. It is easy, however, to find a device that lets you stretch your session out without reloading and have the added benefits of not consuming your stash between hits, tasting better, and not filling your lungs with toxins. I've got half a dozen or so within arm's reach.
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  11. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    I don't know what happened to me. But as I got older joints lost their appeal to me. Especially in a crowd setting where a crap ton of stoned ass lips have been all over it.

    So even when I occasionally combust these days, it's a bowl 99% of the time unless their is literally no other option.
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  12. synche

    synche Well-Known Member

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    I use a DBV and a Solo, neither of which can provide 30 minute smoke sessions without reloading. If you could tell me which vaporizer can provide 30 minute or longer sessions without reloading I will stand corrected.
  13. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    No normal-size joint lasts 30 minutes :rolleyes:

    When I combusted I liked joints and bongloads. I always shied away from pipes for weed unless I had the green hit or the one right after because I hated the taste after that. I very rarely combust, the last time was with a friend that I always sub out and he gave me two green hits from his chillum. Yech but it did the job.
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  14. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    You may but, the best way is to take a small puff before you vape as it will be more stronger. It all comes down to thick clouds effecting adrenaline levels. I dealt with this in my thread on using adrenaline for a better high. Just search through my posts.
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  15. Yoshimattsu

    Yoshimattsu Well-Known Member

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    A full Plenty can last for almost an hour and be constantly drawn on and not reloaded... Put a bubble hash sandwich in there and it lasts even longer.:peace:
  16. synche

    synche Well-Known Member

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    If you read my post you'll notice I mention 2 gram joints, which last about 30 minutes. I roll them up to 7 grams for more festive times. I just rolled a quarter ounce joint for a Christmas present for a friend.
  17. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    That was the exact vaporizer I thought of when posed with the synche's question:
    It may not be economical for small loads, but for big loads & long sessions, the plenty is pretty great.
    [​IMG]

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    To be fair though, I also still combust. It makes the purity and nuances of vaporization all that more apparent and pleasant :-)
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  18. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    He's rolling joints way larger than most people and he's putting them out and re-lighting frequently so I guess he can stretch his out. If I'm allowed to redefine the parameters of normal, of course, I can prove almost anything. ;)

    You'll note that first of all, I made my claim for the majority, not every vape. Second, I can make either of those last all night by using the same tactics you use for your joints—just hit them once or twice every few minutes. This is a silly argument if you want to play that sort of game. My favourite device is the FV, which I can load with 3-4 grams and make last all night and all of tomorrow as well. If you use it in exactly the same way as you smoke your jumbo joints, it will outlast them and taste better while doing it. So there's one. I win! :p
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  19. mestizo

    mestizo Well-Known Member

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    Or as somebody I know once said "After you reach the high you are looking for, you are just burning very expensive incense."
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  20. synche

    synche Well-Known Member

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    Cool, but try taking the plenty on a walk with your dogs.
    I didn't know the FV held so much, I stand corrected in that instance, but the FV is an exception, not the rule. Even so I would greatly prefer to smoke a big, fat joint walking the dogs at the river, than carrying around a big flash light deal. I finish the joint and just throw it on the ground. Some folks may like carrying around a flash light sized vape for an hour or more; I prefer my joints, especially for walking at the river, and no vape does the job as well for me in that regards.

    From mestizo,"Or as somebody i know once said "After you reach the high you are looking for, you are just burning very expensive incense."

    That's only true if you have to pay for your incense, and sometimes it's fun just to smoke for the heck of it.
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  21. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    You can't have it both ways. You can't prove your point by first stating that the DBV and Solo can't do what you want, and then turn around and brush aside the FV because I only named one device. If we're playing at debates here, I will point out that you asked if I could tell you which vape could meet your challenge. When I named one, you shifted the goalposts and said it was too heavy. You ignored the fact that lots of vapourizers of all sorts can last 30 minutes if we're allowed to use them the same way you say you smoke your joint (with a few re-lights).

    I get that you like your joints, but the name of the site is...?
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  22. synche

    synche Well-Known Member

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    Pak, I am not looking for a debate.

    I am sorry if I was not clear in my original post in this thread; After stating that when vaping and smoking together I couldn't tell the difference anymore, I was simply stating that in my opinion, there were certain situations in life that a big fat joint was better than vaping for me.

    In support of this statement, I said I didn't think there were any vapes that could provide a 30 minute continuous session w/o reloading the bowl. While at the time I felt this was true, apparently the FV can provide that similarly timed sessions, which I readily acknowleged.

    This, however, wasn't the main point I was trying to convey. For ME, joints are just way better in certain situations. Let me explain. This morning I took my dogs on a walk on our beautiful American River Parkway. I rolled a 2 gram joint, about as thick as my thumb. I walked the dogs, gently puffing the joint. No deep inhales, no coughing, just puffing a great tasting joint, catching a nice buzz. It lasted close to 40 minutes.

    Sometimes (always), the sum is greater than the whole. I could have vaped .5g through my DBV and bubbler at home before we left and I would have been more stoned than smoking that 2g joint, but it simply would not have been as enjoyable a walk as with puffing on the joint. I can always hit the vape when I get home. I am fortunate to have way more cannabis than I could possibly vape or smoke this year.

    I worked my ASS off this year, and I can waste a little weed if I want to.
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  23. Jahannum

    Jahannum Well-Known Member

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    @synche I have no problems with your opinion, but come on man, you share this planet with other people you know? Dont litter, it is extremely self centered and a huge turn off to others. :ninja:
  24. tonio145

    tonio145 Member

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    thats not really that bad... its biodegradable
  25. hoptimum

    hoptimum Well-Known Member

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    A full Volcano chamber can fill bags faster than you can inhale them, and can certainly go 30 minutes

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