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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by stinkmeaner, Nov 13, 2010.

  1. VaporNation

    VaporNation Vaporizer Superstore Retailer

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    I got a chance to try this product and I was impressed by it's ability to produce vapor/smoke. It's probably one of the easiest to use vaporizers that I've ever tried.
     
  2. SkollIstKrieg

    SkollIstKrieg Well-Known Member

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    hmm I still have no clue what im doing wrong. I soaked it all night to get the combusted taste out of it. I packed a bowl three quarters of the bowl fine ground and very loose. I inhale slowly while clicking it on for no more than 2 seconds then off, then again 2 seconds and off. Doing this gets very minimal wisps of vapor that taste more like butane to me. Then I tried increasing my inhalf speed by a little and had it on for 2.5 seconds and instantly charred it.....

    Ive used about 10 bowls through this thing and no matter how I try to use it I combust. I have the flame at the lowest possible setting(before it turns to a candle flame) and I can get passed the learning curve of the mflb in a couple hours. This has been a couple days and I feel like Im using it all wrong, that or i have a faulty unit...

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    Can you other users give me your step by step on how to vaporize through this thing? cause I really dont need a $120 one-handed pipe. Ive followed the vids religiously and Im convinced either my technique is 100% wrong, I have a faulty unit, or this thing tastes even worse than the vaporgenie
     
  3. ripplemdm

    ripplemdm Active Member

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    Ok, I have had the VOS for a week now and honesetly - THIS THING IS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF JUNK I HAVE EVER SEEN. TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY!! DO NOT BUY!!!!!!

    ALSO - THIS THING IS A SAFETY HAZARD AND DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE PULLED FROM THE MARKET - IT CAUSES SEVERE BURNS. I will explain this below.

    DO NOT BUY - SAVE YOUR MONEY - TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT.


    Vaping on this is IMPOSSIBLE (excuse my pun, but vaping on this is a "pipe dream"). So far, in a week, I have used up over 1/2 oz and a whole can of butane, and have yet to vape even once. (BTW, I am not new to vaping, I have been using a MFLB and iOlite for several months now, with no problems whatsoever - except a bad MFLB that was having low temp issues, which Blisssville prompty replaced and it has worked wonderful ever since)

    It's too bad because I really liked the concept of this thing, and the ability to use butane (instead of batteries), but be able to turn it on and off at will (unlike the iOlite). Those are the 2 reasons why I bought this in the 1st place (and the promise of the e-cig attachment).

    I have watched all the videos, and read all the tips I have seen - IT DOES NOT VAPE - It ONLY SMOKES!!!

    I have tried adjusting the flame to every possible level - with ony 2 possible results: it either burns and smokes and gets ridiculously hot, or the flame isn't high enough to do anything - there doesn't seem to be any inbetween. The only "buzz" I have gotten so far is from the butane, or from hyperventalating from trying to suck so hard to get the low flame lit and to heat anything. If I turn the flame up, even a tiny bit, it smokes, chars my herb to black, and smells like shit, and if I leave the flame down, it never heats anything so I end up taking out my herb (It doesn't change color at all - still bright green even after using up 2 full lighter attachments) and having to put it in my MFLB to get any benefits.

    Also, the design is terrible. I like the heavy duty feel to it, but that is all. At least 40% of the time that I push up the mouthpiece to light it, it pops the whole assembly out and all my herbs fall out all over the place (I am not pushing hard at all - if anything, I am not pushing hard enough because it only lights about 20% of the time - sometimes I have to try to light it 7 or 8 times before it lights, and it only gets worse as the fuel level gets lower in the lighter. - I have 2 of the lighter attachments, and it is the same with both, so I don't think its a bad lighter). Also, every time it pops open, the little ashcathcer piece falls out, and I have almost lost it several times now. It seems to me that there should be some way to hold it in place. Also, the little pawl piece seems way too easy to lose. I have read plenty of people slamming the iOlite here, but to be honest, Ive never had to push the start button more than twice on it.

    Now the dangerous part - The bowl part gets WAY TOO HOT - twice, when the bowl popped out, I went to push it back in place, barley touched it for more than a second, and I HAVE RECIEVED 2ND DEGREE BURNS ON MY INDEX FINGER AND THUMB - FULL BLISTERING AND SKIN PEELING OFF - Had to go to a doctor for treatment - THIS THING IS DANGEROUS AND NEEDS TO BE PULLED FROM THE MARKET!!!!!!! I also burned my thumb and my palm trying to "cup" it in my hand for stealth while driving. It doesn't cool down quickly either, and I have felt it burning my leg thru my jeans several times, and I had to take it out of my pocket.

    All this, and still - NO VAPOR WHATSOEVER!!!!!! Only smoke. If I still wanted to smoke, I would have just stuck with my old cig-looking dugout - much cheaper, much more effective, and much more stealth than this piece of shit. Oh, and by the way, the fact that the flame is still exposed really detracts from the stealth factor, especially at night. I tend to use it when walking my dog at night, and people can see the flame every time I light it - It wouldn't be a big deal if I still smoked cigs, because I could play that off, but since I swithced to e-cigs a few months ago, it just looks suspicious.

    If anyone can tell me what i am doing wrong, I would appreciate any help I can get. I'm not quite ready to give up yet because this thing wasn't cheap, but it's about to become either a really expensive paperweight or doorstop. I really wish that I could just return it and get my money back, but I don't think that is possible.

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  4. Jikaboom123

    Jikaboom123 Well-Known Member

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    ^that's a pretty bad review would like to see manufacturer respond to that one!
     
  5. DeepFried

    DeepFried A Legend in my Own Mind

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    Okay, but what do you really think about it?
     
  6. OO

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    and all stovetops should be pulled from the market because they're capable of giving 3rd degree burns.
     
  7. Goodlife101

    Goodlife101 Living The Good Life

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    really thats odd I am not saying its hard to combust in the VoS but i have gotten this thing down to an almost science... my recommendation is to double up on your long screen or get a thicker (important) and higher wire count screen . this will arrest more of the flame from the lighter and make it a better vape works like a charm for me. this thing can be rigged in a lot of ways and is part of the reason i like it and just make sure the new screen is not too thiin or it will just heat up too fast! good luck mate i wish you the best with this thing i on the other hand have really enjoyed this thing and it has been growing on me more and more.
     
  8. HindenPeter

    HindenPeter Vape-or-Smoker

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    After reading through these latest reviews I'm a bit troubled... It's always hard to troubleshoot based on some text, but I'll see if I can help you guys out...

    First, I find that setting the flame to about half-way up the space between the top of the lighter and the bottom of the bowl, in conjunction with the long screen and loading the bowl to about 3-4/5 full, finely ground but with a medium-density pack produces the best vapor for me. Try this while inhaling at a normal breathing pace.

    Second, ripplemdm, it sounds like some of the lighter issues you're having could be caused by low-quality butane, or potentially a fault near the top of the lighter that messes with the air flow. Remember that completely-burnt, pure butane has no flavor, as all that's produced is heat, water, and CO2, and a blue flame is given off. If you don't see a blue flame, and/or taste butane, then your butane is impure.

    ripplemdm, as for your pawl problem, this has been a big issue for many users... the only reason it gets lost is due to the user not properly placing the lighter on it so that the pawl is secured in the lighter. If you were to take both the lighter and pawl out, then try to put the pawl into the top of its spot in the lighter, it wouldn't fit very well, but when you slide it in from the side, it fits great and can't be pulled out from the top.

    ripplemdm, in response to the heat issue... that is a big problem. They're working on ceramic-coated bowlpieces, but those are still in their experimental stages... I like to smoke/vape my bowls slowly, as to conserve, and that has kept this problem to a minimum for me, however when sharing a bowl, it does pose quite a problem. I usually just blow on the bowl for a little while... not the most elegant fix, but it works for now.

    SkullIstKrieg, I understand your frustrations... it took me a while to get used to vaping with my VoS, and some users have reported taking up to a week to get past the curve, and it's something the VoS peeps are workin on. They've got stainless steel screens coming, and those might help, but in the meantime, give my suggestion a try and let me know what happens... also, is it possible your bud's a bit too dry? That could be part of the reason it's combusting so easily.

    To address the problem with the ash catcher falling out, they have new ash catchers in production that come with o-rings that hold them in without burning/melting the o-ring, and make it easy to just pull on the bowl in order to separate them.

    As for the atomizer, I believe they're in the final stages of getting it on the shelves. I think they're getting the little instruction leaflet printed, and then they'll be shipped.

    Gentlemen, I'll try to get my hands on a couple extra VoS's and see if I can't find a solution that works on all of them. I'll keep you posted. Don't give up hope! I'll be back tomorrow, hopefully with better instructions.
     
  9. ripplemdm

    ripplemdm Active Member

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    HindenPeter,

    Thanks for responding - I know we have messaged back and forth previously on the PT website (I posted as Ripplemarc) What is the best Pocket vaporizer? in a thread about portable vapes, and some of your answers to my questions there was why I decided to give VOS a try in the 1st place.


    well the only butane I have ever used is Vector 5X refined, which came included with the VOS, as well as with my iOlite when I bought them both from PuffitUp (I actually bought several extra cans as well when I bought the iOlite). It works fine with the iOlite - Do they make any butane that is higher quality than that? I was under the impression that this was one of the better butane's available. It is also the 1st brand listed as recommended on your website.

    I have found that if I set it any less than when the flame hits the bowl, that the flame is mostly orange - not blue. AS I previoulsy stated, it either burns and smokes and gets ridiculously hot, or the flame isn't high enough to do anything - there doesn't seem to be any inbetween. Also, I bought 2 lighters - so are they both bad? - sounds like really bad quality control if that is the case - for the price of this thing, the manufacurer needs to do something about it then. According to your website "After assembly in our facility, the Vape-or-Smoke is subjected to a series of quality control tests to ensure a high quality product" Does VOS have any warranty at all on this? BTW, I didn't say that I was tasting butane, that was someone else.


    This is not the problem I am having at all. I have not lost it YET (almost did), but since I have 2 lighter parts (A good suggestion from Randy @ PuffitUP so that it would be easier to use when travelling, or at a concert, or driving, and not have to carry around an extra can of butane all the time), every time I go to switch them, the pawl falls out. This makes it quite hard to change the lighter while driving, or in the dark, or on the go for example - same with the ashcatcher, but this falls out even easier than the pawl (every time I open the case up).


    I have found that if I set it any less than when the flame hits the bowl, that the flame is mostly orange - not blue. AS I previoulsy stated, it either burns and smokes and gets ridiculously hot, or the flame isn't high enough to do anything - there doesn't seem to be any inbetween. I am using finely ground - same as I use on my MFLB.

    So then you are aware that this thing is a dangerous safety hazard, yet your company continues to sell this as is without any warning to potential customers.. This would have been nice to know about before I dropped $100+ on this thing.

    When I am home and have time, I have sat there and blown on the bowl for 10-15 minutes before it cooled down enough to touch again - Honestly, I don't really have that much time to wait each time I use it, especially if I am on my lunch break or something - by that calculation, It would take me a few hours to be able to catch a buzz, but by that time what I vaped earlier (if I could actually get it to vape - not burn) would already be wearing off, so in theory, I would NEVER be able to catch a buzz with this thing. Another big reason MFLB blows VOS away!

    But again, this doesn't solve the problem of when the bowl pops open from pushing up the mouthpiece to light it and it pushes up the whole bowl piece and all my load falls out (happens ALL the time - more times than it has not happened - I have wasted more herb with this thing than you can imagine - my carpet and car floor are full of finely ground flakes that are too small to be able to recover). Am I supposed to wait until it cools enough to be able to close the bowl - that is how I burned myself really bad the last time - just trying to reclose the bowl piece so I could use it again.

    By the way - thanks for this smart-ass answer OO:
    Uh, NO because I can wear an oven-mitt when using my oven - I shouldn't have to with a vaporizor, especially one that is supposed to be portable - Really kills the stealth factor - I can see myself now, sitting at the beach this summer, laying in the sun with oven-mitts on - yeah - real stealthy. Maybe since VOS claims they originally designed this for snowboarding, they never bothered to test it without ski-gloves on.


    Well I wish you had told me about these "upcoming" improvements when you answered my other questions because I would have definately waited to purchase until these were released. Also, how much more $$ does your company expect me to spend on a bunch of upgrades for a product that does not work as advertised (or should that be "mis-advertised") in the 1st place. As of now this thing is really a piece of shit and a waste of money, and I have already spent way more than what I recieved for my hard earned $$. I didn't really need the VOS since I already have a MFLB (which I love) and an iOlite (Still not too bad - much better than the VOS), but you made it sound like a really cool product that would completely solve my 2 biggest problems with my other vapes, which I described in detail in that other thread - having to carry batteries all the time (MFLB), and not being able to turn it on and off at will (iOlite).

    Turns out it is not a good product at all, and it is actually dangerous and causes severe burns, and after a week and a half, it has already been retired and it is now collecting dust in a box on the shelf in a closet. That money could have been much better spent somewhere else. - Hell, make that "anywhere" else. This is by far the worst purchase I have ever made. Even when the atomizer part comes out (which I really thought would be cool, and I would only have to carry around 1 unit), if I have zero confidence in the product now, what makes you think that it will work better than the e-cigs I have now, which work great and don't cause blistering burns.

    Thanks again for responding, and I will wait and consider & try whatever new instructions that you can provide. I really do want this thing to work right, I do like the concept of it (hence the reaon I bought it), but concepts can only take you so far, but in reality, I feel like I have just flushed my money away, and unless something changes, I will probably NEVER use it again - I really do wish I could just return it and get my money back. I don't see how your company can expect me to pay extra $$ for more parts that may or may not actually make this thing work properly, but there seems to be no guarantee that these new parts will actually correct the problem. I think you need to offer FREE upgrades to all of your customers who are experiencing problems - if not, we won't be customers for much longer.

    Thanks again, and I look forward to your response/suggestions
     
  10. FLskwat

    FLskwat VAPOLITICS!

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    Hmmm, sorry to hear that Ripplemdm. BTW, yes it can combust easily MJ as stated in my review and in many of them. Yes it has a learning curve as stated. Yes it is much more "user friendly" at the beginning to get use to it with concentrates as stated, yes putting 2 screens + finding your flame setting + good breathing speed is important as stated, yes VoS is working on improving their product, as stated in the thread etc...

    You should really try it with a chunk of bubble hash and I'm sure it will become your friend again. Then when you are more satisfied/less frustrated, recheck the overall design. Normally in the good position, and with the correct process: you should only need your thumb for stirring situations: VoS on a lateral positions with the inside of the bowl heading upwards (gravity...I don't understand how the bowl content can fall then...), slide the bowl with your thumb till first "clip" (yes the metallic bowl gets hot but no way it should burn you in this 1/2 second sliding process)...stir and re-slide the bowl backwards when you're done: nothing felt nor was burnt...

    I have mastered the device with MJ though it is longer/more complex. To me it is still the travel complementary device (for concentrates) to my MF (for green). I strongly believe the new add ons will improve the MJ consumption part (yes that means more dollars but isn't that the same for MF's PA or any other vape company?) and I hope you will overcome the learning curve of the VoS!
     
  11. OO

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    Ripple i'm just applying your logic to a similar situation.

    if you apply the same logic to anything with any kind of danger to it, the outcome is the same, you're asking for too much IMHO.

    there are many vaporizers on the market that have the same issue (HA, Supreme, etc.)

    should they all be pulled from the market?
    their owners are extremely satisfied with their purchases, many people who own either make the claim that their vaporizer is the best on the market.

    I think what it really comes down to is personal expectations, it seems yours were a bit high as far as safety factor is concerned.

    your lack of innovativeness has led to alot of frustration on your part. most people who own vapes that get hot have figured out ways of getting around the issue, and i mean most have it down within a week or two.

    just because you can't figure it out doesn't mean that all of the other owners are ignorant (people who can't figure it out).

    you will find that when you make statements like "it has the potential to hurt you so it should be banned", many people, especially in the cannabis community will think much less of you, on the basis that you need to be babied.

    most drug users understand what responsibility means, don't ruin it for everyone else just because you are having difficulty, instead, put a little thought into the situation and try to solve it yourself before seeking advice, but never suggest that the only resolution is banning something on the basis that it could hurt you, to do so would be fear-mongering.

    if you need a situation that shows what i'm talking about, do a search on contraband.
     
  12. ripplemdm

    ripplemdm Active Member

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    I'm going to post 2 responses here.
    This 1st one is to all the people on here who actually know what they are talking about, and are interested in either helping others, or trying to help the manufacturer correct major issues with their product, and maybe hopefully use these customer reviews and issues to correct and improve their product to make it better for all of us, users such as FLskwat, HindenPeter (who I am still hopefully awaiting a response to my most recent post), and Goodlife101, and anybody else who posted good info earlier). Thanks for your responses, and any more help is greatly appreciated.

    The 2nd post will be specifically for OO, who sounds like a conceited, arrogant douche bag troll with nothing of value to contribute here. But I guess OO is a fucking genius and that he knows everything about vaping , which is why you can be so condescending to every single person here. Apparently, he is also the spokesperson for the entire cannabis community, and is the also official speaker for most drug users (but, keep in mind, ONLY the ones who are responsible what a douche). Ill elaborate in the 2nd post, but OO go fuck yourself!!! Everyone else, Sorry, and please feel free to ignore the next post, which is my response to him, which is very much off topic, just like ALL of his posts in this thread. Again, sorry to everyone else here, but Im sick of this stupid assholes dumbshit comments. As I said above, this thread is for reviews of the VOS, not for some troll to make condescending comments to everyone who is trying to accomplish this not one of his posts in this thread have ANYTHING AT ALL to actually do with the VOS, nor does he ever attempt to review it, or make a specific comments about it, they are all attacking other posters, trying to make them sound stupid and make himself sound cool.

    As for my real post:
    FLskwat, thanks for your response. A few comments:
    That wasnt exactly the problem I was having. Its not when I Want to open it to stir, the problem is that about 75% of the time when I push up the mouthpiece to ignite the flame, even if I barely push up, it pops the VOS into the 1st Clip position that you mentioned, and the bowl spills out to the right side. So based on what you said, I would need to hold the VOS sideways with the bowl facing up every time I go to light it (and then I would have to push the mouthpiece to the left to light it, instead of up), which is quite awkward. The bowl itself gets unbearablely hot, and I try not to touch it (learned my lesson after getting 2nd degree burns from it by the way, Ive been smoking for over 35 years never burned myself once), but the outer case also gets too hot to touch on basically the top 1/3 of the unit, on the side where the bowl is. The only way to hold it where it is not too hot to touch is to hold it by the very bottom, but that doesnt allow for the user to cup it in their hand, and makes it impossible to conceal. Stealth is a major issue for me in a portable vape, and was one of the big reasons I bought this. Obviously, due to the mouthpiece design, you cant put it in a drink cup like you can with the MFLB or the iOlite which works great for me.
    I would love to be able to try this, but since I dont live in an MMJ state, bubble hash is not an easy thing to find I dont think Ive seen any around in about 7-10 years!!! Im jealous!!!
    That being said, I didnt buy this for concentrates (maybe e-cig liquid eventually), but specifically for use with green.
    While I hope you are correct that the add-ons will improve MJ consumption, I dont necessarily agree with the rest of this statement about having to spend more $$ - the MFs PA is an add-on. The MF (as well as most other vapes) work fine without the add-ons, and they are not really necessary unless you want to buy them. Granted, it might make your experience better, but it is not required just to make it work period. I should not HAVE to buy extra add-ons to make the product work as advertised in the 1st place it should already work. If it wont vape properly until the add-ons are released (and they are aware of many of the issues, such as the extreme heat according to HindenPeter), then they should have waited until the add-ons were developed, and then release the initial unit that works as promised. Would you buy a car if they told you that the brakes dont quite work right yet, but they are working on an add on that you can purchase later for additional $$ so that you can eventually stop? Obviously you would not buy that car until the brakes were fixed, and at the very least, if you were unlucky enough to have purchased it with the bad brakes, you would expect the manufacturer to at the very least fix the problem for existing owners free of charge to make it right (for example, like the recall that Toyota had).

    On a positive note (Im really not a negative person, and I really do want to see this thing work properly), I did try yours (and others) suggestion to double the screen, and while it helped some, it is still at best like a 75% smoke/25% vapor combination better than before, but still not what I am looking for (100% vapor). The color is ending up a little bit better (very dark brown as opposed to the charred black I was getting previously), but it still smells like smoke, and is smelling up the room in my house where I use it quite bad (my wife, who doesnt smoke told me the whole house smells bad from it, like it used to when I smoked that is the 1st time she has said that since I completely quit smoking over 6 months ago) I still wouldnt even think about using it out and about anywhere (especially my car) due to the smell, but I have not given up completely yet, and I am still trying to perfect it. Hopefully Im at least on the right path, but for now and the foreseeable future, the MFLB is still my go to vape. Granted it does get me really buzzed more than the MFLB, but that is mostly due to the fact that I am smoking for the 1st time in 6 months, and has nothing to do with the vapor. That being said though, if I wanted a home unit, then I would have bought a real home unit, not a portable.

    I will continue to play with it for a while longer with the 2 screens to see if I can get it to do what I want, and maybe then my opinion will change (Obviously, I will update this thread if that is the case), but as of now, I still think this was a huge waste of money, and would recommend that people avoid this product. Like I said previously, if I really wanted to still smoke, and I wanted stealth, then my old cig-dugout still works much better, and is way more stealth and a lot cheaper than this ever will be (and it doesnt need add-ons to work properly).

    Again, thanks to all who have offered help, and any more (except for OO) is still greatly appreciated.

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  13. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Glassblower

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    Maybe some of OO's statements did come off as condescending and did not speak from a position of having used the VOS, but pull a punch or three.

    The Bowl DOES get hot. I've even burned myself very slightly on it when getting aggressive with the flame. This is simply inevitable with many vaporizers, especially those with a lighter involved. The aluminum VG can get ridiculously hot, the top of the Glass vapobowl can cause bad burns, the glass VG top can get a tizzle hot too, and most of the plug-in vaporizers have areas which can cause burns, too.

    This issue makes a vape like the MFLB that much more impressive.. except for when a battery leaks acid all over your leg, I guess.

    I agree that it is very difficult to get even, nice, gentle convection vaporization with herbal materials using the VOS in its current state. Even using the oval screen, it is a difficult thing to achieve. I think a VG type filter or some other apparatus needs to be made to modify the bowl, lowering the flame's temperature, and given the modularity of the pipe, it would be an easy task to upgrade. The VOS is fantastic for concentrates however, and is used semi-regularly for that purpose when out and about.

    The Supreme, by the way, is not a plug in, it's kind of the granddaddy of all lighter-based vapes, and is also the single biggest fire and burn hazard I can think of among well-regarded vaporizers. The youtubes of Supremes in action will make you salivate, the vapor is absurdly dense.
     
  14. Goodlife101

    Goodlife101 Living The Good Life

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    Maybe you just have a crazy bunk lighter that burns to hot? idk man I dont have a problem keeping my flame real low with some space between it and the lighter and its blue so i think that may just be the problem.. i bet if you emailed the manufacturer they would be willing to help you out they seem like good people who want you to love your product. I have this thing down pretty well probably like 85-95% vapor with the occasional bowl i push it too far.. and you have to clean it once you have combusted to keep it smelling/tasting super good.

    +1 for the supreme I love that vape and the clouds are redonkulous and herb is completely vaped no stirring required but there is a place for every vape IMO the mflb is quality as well I find my self using them all for their own specific advantages they havent invented the perfect vape yet IMO but they have some damn fine ones for me to collect to meet all my needs
     
  15. ripplemdm

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    mod note: No flaming. Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member. 2nd post, one long flame, has been moved out of the forum-all that work for nothing.
    Hi Mod - If that's the case, then you need remove OO's posts above which I found quite insulting and belittling and was what prompted my response in the 1st place. That, and all his responses in this entire thread are insulting & belittling to whoever his responses were aimed at - this thread is supposed to be for reviews of the VOS - that is all I was trying to do here - post a review and possibly get some help. Not a single post by OO has had anything whatsoever to do with the VOS, only criticizing and insulting others!!!

    As to you message at the bottom of my original review:
    Modnote: Please review the forum rules. Don't attack products or companies. You can post your opinion, and you can criticize, but posts written to offend are not allowed.
    Sorry if I didn't like the product, but the thread title doesn't say post only good reviews of VOS or any other product. Most people tend to find negative reviews more informative than a bunch of repetitive jump on the bandwagon identical reviews. Are you saying that by posting a very negative review that I am attacking this product or company? this is my honest opinion of this product not an attack on anyone, nor was anything here meant to offend I have nothing to win or lose based on this vape or any other I dont know anyone associated with this or any other vape company, I am just a very frustrated vaper trying to find a product that is more suited to my needs. Based on previous reviews, VOS website, videos, etc, I thought the VOS might be it, I spent my hard earned $$, and gave it a try. If the product would have worked as expected, then my review would have been much different, but after 2 weeks, my VOS still will not vape only smokes (at best with the suggestions I have received in this thread, I have gotten maybe 20% vapor at most), and it gets hot and caused me 2nd degree burns on my fingers (In 35+ years of smoking/vaping, I have NEVER burned myself before), I was just using it as instructed. Therefore I find this product to be unacceptable, and due to the ease of which it can burn you, dangerous. I thought others, especially the manufacturer might benefit from this info and collectively be able to come up with a solution and improve the product before someone really gets burned badly. HindenPeter , who is somehow associated with the VOS vendor even admitted in response to me above that the heat issue has actually been a big problem and that they are working on a solution to it, so its obvious that I am not the only one who has had that issue.

    As I have said before, so far I am very disappointed with my purchase, and had I seen a review of it similar to mine, I would have thought twice before I made my purchase If I knew about the heat problem, and the difficulty of actually vaping, I definitely would have at least waited until they came out with solutions. Am I supposed to be happy that after spending all that money, my product wont work properly until I purchase a bunch of add-ons that will come out in the future some time how much more money will I need to drop on this thing just to make it work as originally advertised? I, like most of the users here, would probably liked to have known about those issues up front, and would then probably wait until the fixes are incorporated into the finished product before purchasing instead of having to buy the fixes as extra parts. Unfortunately, its not like a product that I can buy at the local dept. store, because if it was, I would have just returned it and gotten something different I dont have that option here. I can't get my money back. It's gone. Others who are considering dropping their $$ on this might want to know about that. That being said, I have also said that if the manufacturer or someone else can actually help me to get this thing to work correctly, then maybe my opinion of this might change, and I am more than willing to update my review into a positive review if that ends up being the case at some point, but as of now that is not the case. Now if you consider that attacking the product or company, then so be it, but as far as I am concerned, as a paying consumer, I tend to expect the products that I buy to work as expected.

    Now hopefully this thread can get back to the original topic.
     
  16. ripplemdm

    ripplemdm Active Member

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    Goodlife,

    i have 2 lighters, but am having same toruble with both. Do you think it's possible that both are bad?

    How far above the lowest settting do you have your lighter set? When mine is lower than where the flame actually touches the bowl, it tends to turn more orange, sometimes with very little to no flame at all - just the heating element is lit. At that level, it doesn't seem to get hot enough to do anything - in this case, even the bowl doesn't get hot. If I turn it up even the slightest bit to where I finally get a blue flame, it hits the bowl and combusts - I am really having a hard time getting either lighter to do anything in between. Can you give me an example of how much you actually need to turn the lighter up to get yours to work. For example, say that 12:00 is the complete off position, to what time would you set yours?

    Thanks for the response.
     
  17. stinac

    stinac Well-Known Member

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    I got it today and i love it already. The lighter is set to pass half (1//2 - 3/4) but i added extra screen behind long screen from ninja version. That extra screen is one of two circular hath came with it, and one long screen.
    And you have to hit it hard compare to MFLB, inhale faster.
    I never combusted (used it twice already), but i was always on the edge of combustion, and i love that for change. I think that new bowl can and will enhance performance
     
  18. stinac

    stinac Well-Known Member

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    your mistake is that you heat bowl from outside, cos your flame is too low, the point is to put hot air IN the bowl. 2 screens in front of the lighter, mid-hi flame and fast inhaling. Bowl is never too hot in that way.
    Good luck
     
  19. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    Ripple, please understand that my posts are in response to your statement about the safety of the product.

    I'm the type who is easily offended by statements requesting that the free market be altered. It's especially disturbing to find this kind of attitude within this community.

    If it weren't for people meddling with the free market, cannabis would be legal, and so would all of the fun light cars I like driving, as well as many other things I feel should be available to buy and sell.

    I find your attitude particularly offensive since instead of offering a logical, thought out reason to support your statement, you immediately attempt to insult and belittle me.

    I am in no way the smartest person on these boards, I joined to gain more information and opinions from the other members here, not to be attacked personally by them.

    If you would like to try and bolster your opinion in a rational and reasonable way, and not harass me, I will be glad to continue the discussion.

    The VOS is a vape that I'm interested in buying in the future, so I'm going to continue to watch this thread.
     
  20. Goodlife101

    Goodlife101 Living The Good Life

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    ripple - hmmmm both lighters are gettin frisky on you huh? i would say if 12 o'clock is empty mine twists to about 1 maybe 15 minutes after one so not too big of a turn at all.. I usually load the bowls on the smaller side too seems to work better for me when the bowl is half to 3/4 full and i can shake to stir.. I'm also surprised that doubling up the screen wasnt more effective that seems to make a pretty fair difference on mine so the only thing i can think of is that the lighter is too hot.. or maybe you could try inhaling really really fast? i would say before you completely give up try to find a screen that is thicker because it will arrest more of the flame and just diffuse the heat.
     
  21. stinac

    stinac Well-Known Member

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    Where can I buy extra screens and other parts for my vape or smoke? I'm from Europe
    Tnx
     
  22. HindenPeter

    HindenPeter Vape-or-Smoker

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    Sorry about the incredible delay... I've been super busy with work and shiz.

    Lets get something clear: I DO NOT WORK FOR ELEMENTAL TECHNOLOGIES. I am an unpaid volunteer taking time out of my own, busy schedule to help you guys out with a piece that I love and adore. If you really must know, I work for a fast food joint called Kidd Valley. That should clear up a lot of this "the Vape-or-Smoke guys must hate me for keeping me in the dark" crap. I learn about things as my friend sees fit to tell me about them, and I try to tell you guys ASAP.

    So, why didn't I tell you about the ceramic bowl? Because I didn't know about it until quite recently.

    Now, hopefully I can answer your questions...

    FIRST AND FOREMOST: I've been hearing from several of my friends than you should try Colibri. According to them, Vector burns super hot for some reason, but Colibri works VERY well at lower temps/flame heights. Give that a try, and if that doesn't solve your problems, visit vapeorsmoke.com, and get in contact with them through their "Contact Us" form. They will receive your ticket immediately, and are very, VERY good about making their customers happy.

    I have literally never, ever had this problem. It sounds to me like you're pushing too hard/violently. Also, I've said time and time again that you're supposed to pull on the back of the mouthpiece with your finger while you push up with your mouth. Not only does this make it easier to light, it makes it impossible to push the bowl out unless you're REALLY violent about it.

    I don't expect you to spend anything. As I said earlier, it's not my company. That being said, it is a very young product. Its been out since like August of last year, so obviously there are issues to be hashed out that some people are experiencing that were never a problem with the few people using them before they went on sale. I'm sure you'll find that most new products put out by new companies have some issues in their first year or two. Elemental Technologies didn't have the resources to do extensive product testing before they put out the VS, and so they're learning as they go. Unfortunately, this is the way some companies need to learn, simply due to cost. Money is king, baby.

    ripplemdm, concerning your lighters are only working properly when actually touching the bowl, it sounds like something is wrong with both of them... if my suggestion of trying Colibri doesn't work out for you, DO get in contact with Elemental through the Vape-or-Smoke website. I had a small issue with my first lighter not staying lit, and they took care of me almost immediately.

    Also, I remember someone here asking about stainless steel screens, but I can't remember if I told you guys they're coming out with them. So yeah, there's that. :D
     
  23. stinac

    stinac Well-Known Member

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  24. HindenPeter

    HindenPeter Vape-or-Smoker

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    stinac, try giving them some time to respond... I guarantee if you used their site like you say you did, you will get a response within 24-48 hrs, as that's their policy. If you don't hear back from them today, let me know and I will personally make sure you get what you need.

    ALSO, I had a breakthrough on vaping about an hour ago while at my friend's house. I will give it to you guys later tonight when I don't have to type on my phone.
     
  25. stinac

    stinac Well-Known Member

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    Ok Peter, i will wait more. I got automatic respond, but no answer who ship spare parts wordwide.
    Im glad to hear that you had breakthrough, mabe it can help us with vaping
     

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