VapCap Induction Heater for Desktop and in Car Use

BabyFacedFinster

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endof3d said:
Copied this information from the forum months ago. This is what @Pipes had to say in a discussion on this topic:
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    Insertion depth is your only control. Having the tip close to the end windings is the longest click but also can be too hot if inserted too far and may combust before the click. If the depth is not deep enough, a long count after the click is needed and heat distribution will not be as even with the tip been hotter. I found about 2-3 mil shy of the last winding is good.


  1. Thanks for the help. When you say "the end windings" I assume you mean the windings farthest from the insertion point?

    Correct.
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Thank you for finding this. I appreciate your help.

After my last session, I decided I like it where it is. I do think the timing slowed a little as the charge begins to wear down, but not by too much. I still continue to get a nice extraction over 2-3 hits, and the ABV remains evenly toasted. I take my ABV to a moderate brown and not very dark. My sweet PSM gets me there no problem.
 
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TommyDee said:
Maybe if you put a piece of metal to heat in the tube. Been super-eager to try it @moede. It is certainly one of my aims to make that work but I don't have a Vaponic to test. Do you have an IH?

Oh, and welcome to the forum!
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Make a metal "pot" and put the vaponic inside it? Like a cap, or a strip wraped around?
 
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TommyDee

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@moede

Place a stainless tube that will fit on the outside of the inner tube and on the inside of the outer tube. This is your heat source. Put the Vaponic back together and carefully heat that puppy. Draw on it to see how effective it is and to get some timing on performance. You don't get a click :brow: But also know I'll be jealous while you're testing this thing. I have high hopes for such a device. Just working out how I can mimic the Vaponic with my little vials. I need a stem with a bowl.

Don't just use any metal! Use vape qualified metals. SS and Ti are great choice. Everything else other than gold is frowned upon. Silver in a pinch but people say it tastes bad.

If you could help and report some data in this regard I'd be grateful. I can see a Vaponic held in the coils with the Teflon as I have the vial making for a pretty nice little hand-held on-demand vape.
 
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Mono Loco

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Hi, all. Wow, 142 pages ... that's a lot of reading. I do find this whole thread fascinating, though, and decided that I must read every post to honor all the work put into it. I am making my own "table of contents" of the key points that "I" find interesting and might want to refer to in the future. As such, it is not thorough and has many gaps. I am only up to page 12 ... just highlighting some points. I'll post my list below.

1) Does anyone have a similar list?
2) When I get further along, is there any interest in my posting updated, longer lists, or is it not of value to anyone else and not worth cluttering-up this thread?

Pipes' I.H. Evolution !!!
PAGE 1
NOV 23, 2016 = Post #1
* Initital Post of Conceptual Curiosity
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PAGE 4
JAN 29, 2017 = Post # 79
* a basic schematic electronics is shared
JAN 30, 2017 = Post #87
* 1st rev. Mason Jar "As-Planed" unit is featured
FEB 02, 2017 = Post# 97
* a Cigarette-Lighter power cord failure is detailed
FEB 03, 2017 = Post #100
* 2nd rev. of Mason Jar "As Planned" unit is detailed (3x 18650 battery pack trials, with schematic)
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PAGE 7 = Feb 2017
* coil configuration experimenting (ultimately decided that stock config. was best!)
* photo of overall wiring for a battery-powered unit
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PAGE 8 = Feb 24, 2017
* photos of "Production Porn" = run of Modules WIP
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PAGE 9 = Mar. 2017
* batch photo of 1st-Gen JarHeads ready to ship, Post # 203
* sneak-Peek of the Portside ... enclosure + guts, Post # 218
* the idea of a "Skeletor" DIY drop-in-module is proposed!
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PAGE 12 = Mar 21, 2017 = Post # 281
* nice close-up pics of the then-current Skeletor Module
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... to be continued ... or NOT, if y'all say so!
 
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Mono Loco said:
Hi, all. Wow, 142 pages ... that's a lot of reading. I do find this whole thread fascinating, though, and decided that I must read every post to honor all the work put into it. I am making my own "table of contents" of the key points that "I" find interesting and might want to refer to in the future. As such, it is not thorough and has many gaps. I am only up to page 12 ... just highlighting some points. I'll post my list below.

1) Does anyone have a similar list?
2) When I get further along, is there any interest in my posting updated, longer lists, or is it not of value to anyone else and not worth cluttering-up this thread?
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That's a Herculean task that I wouldn't have the patience or discipline to accomplish. Personally I've copied/pasted info into a note app that I thought was of importance to share to new comers, as the same questions are always asked. Wished that I had archived more. Cheers to you for even attempting to undertake such a chore. :cheers: Future generations of @Pipes users will certainly sing your praises.:nod:
 
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BabyFacedFinster

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Finally drained the PSM battery for the first time. That first charge had lasted since Thursday. It is now in its second full charge and I'll probably do this three times. The recommendation is 2 to 3 times. It would be my luck to fuck up the battery and realize, damn it, if I only did that third time.

So what to do when the PSM is charging? The caldron to the rescue. I understand you can use a PSM while its charging, but not recommended during the break in period.

Having a lot of fun with these IH's. :clap: and I'm getting high also.
 
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Only one man knows for sure if anyone - could be a cool contest though

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moede said:
Make a metal "pot" and put the vaponic inside it? Like a cap, or a strip wraped around?
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I just got this. Damn. @moede - can you put just the cap of the VapCap on the tip of the Vaponic and still assemble the Vaponic as normal? That would be a perfect heat source and heat load. More in line with the glass OG VC. Don't let the clicker whack the inner stem. Pull the stem back a millimeter or two from bottoming out in the cap. The click will be available but could damage the stem if glass and clicker meet.
 
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Mono Loco

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After the earlier posts regarding using a battery bank to power a desktop/AC powered I.H., I decided to check the unit I've been carrying around in my car's trunk. I bought it on Amazon 2 years ago for $48. Now, it's $60. Sure enough, it does have a 12v output, 10A ... so it should serve fine as a portable/field power supply to power up my future Caldron! Such a serendipitous surprise!
Here it is, on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MDUQRSO
note: I haven't actually tried it in this application, but, in theory, it should work.

Here's some more sharing. I like to research stuff and read reviews. I don't trust a lot of reviews, per se ... I read "into" the reviews. If a negative review is written by an angry customer who complained that the product didn't do what they expected it to ... because they were a dumbass and didn't understand the product, I dismiss that review. For example, I was just looking at reviews for a 5.5x2.1mm jumper/patch cord. One reviewer gave the product 1-star because he said it didn't fit his 2.5mm jack. WTF? Duh ... he even quoted the fact that the cable was advertised as a 2.1mm, so ... I just don't see his logic in giving the product a poor review for this reason. Likewise, if a review is written so poorly that it looks like it was written by a moron ... well, I consider the source. Some of these reviews are not legit and are written by robots, or by the seller's friends and family, etc. To help weed those out, I always click on the Amazon link that reads "See All Customer Reviews" and when the resulting page loads, I then Copy the URL from the address bar and go to www.fakespot.com and paste that URL into their search engine. Fakespot tries to determine if the reviews are authentic and legit, or are "bot-generated" or otherwise bogus.

The Battery Bank/Car Jumper that I bought has an Amazon Rating, from 664 users, of (82%) 5-stars, (11%) 4-stars, and (4%) 1-star. That's exceptional. It looks almost too good and therefore suspect. However, "Fakespot" gives the reviews an "A", in terms of being authentic, and they give the company itself (Nekteck) a "C". When I looked at other units, from other companies, their Fakespot ratings were often Fs and Ds. I know this - I have used my Nekteck Battery Jumper to jump three cars and it worked flawlessly each time- I was actually shocked. It literally worked perfectly and paid for itself, as far as I'm concerned, in reduced hassle over waiting on AAA or using jumper cables (which I have no problem with, but this is so stupid-easy and cleaner). Plus, my wife can use it all by her pretty little self (that wasn't too sexist, was it?) It holds a charge for MONTHS ... it's magic! My model has been upgraded and the new one also gets great ratings. I so appreciate quality things ... especially today when there is so much crap on the market - Buyer Beware! Hey ... lemme look up the Fakespot report card on the unit the gal was using in the YouTube video a few pages back ... the Tacklife one - BRB ... OK, a solid C for both the product at hand and the company (Tacklife).

OK, that's enough rambling on ... sorry to get so long-winded, but I thought some folks might enjoy learning about Fakespot. Cheerio!!!!
 
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TommyDee

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Do you want a job @Mono Loco ? I am so jaded by reviews and review processes that I trust none of them. Write a perfectly legit review and 'our committee determined your review is not worthy.' Really? And then add that now the product manufacturer has the ability to sue bad reviewers. Broken system. Good to hear you found an attempt at working through that. And thanks even more for sharing in such excellent detail. :bowdown:

I try to dissect thing to understand value to me. How was it engineered. Is it a revolutionary development that has time to become crusty with cost savings. Do they use cost saving practices known to have longevity issues. I use to buy brands and even they have succumb to the 'imitators'. Part of that is to say that your 2 year old pack is probably of better quality than the more expensive current offering. This is my way of reading between the lines :nod:

As to the Caldron, yes, it will work perfectly for days and days ...and days .....and...

@NYC_Frank - the Caldron certainly looks at home in the picture. Welcome to the family :tup:
 
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TommyDee said:
I am so jaded by reviews and review processes that I trust none of them.
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It's hard to keep the faith, Brother. Reviewers get "comp-ed" with free stuff, etc. ... it's not un-biased reporting! Still, I try to remain optimistic that honest, competent reviews exist.

- re: I use to buy brands and even they have succumb to the 'imitators'. Part of that is to say that your 2 year old pack is probably of better quality than the more expensive current offering. This is my way of reading between the lines :nod:

Yeh, things sure do seem to be of lesser and lesser quality as they "improve". I'm to the point, now, that when I find something that is of high quality, I consider getting several more than I need (hoarding tendencies) so that when I eventually need a replacement I know I'll have one available. But, that's just one of the many problems with our whole consumer society - it's warped. Things are cheap and made to be disposable ... keeps the global economy going (at the expense of the environment, and other casualties of war). Another issue is that Some people just aren't team players and only think of themselves. MANY years ago I saw a woman trying to return an old, rusty, filthy hair dryer at a customer service desk at a local department store (Caldor, R.I.P.). The customer claimed, "I just bought this and now it doesn't work". The customer service rep. told her, "Our computer system tells me that we haven't even carried that item for over two years". I chuckled, thinking to myself, "man, the gall of some people ... she's wasting everybody's time (there was a line of people waiting for their turn) ... I hope they laugh at her and throw her out of the store". Well, they "debated" for a while and the squeaky wheel got a ticket that allowed her to go pick out a new hair dryer for an "exchange". DANG it! That's part of why I have to pay a little extra money for MINE, I thought.

This Stay@Home lock-down is making me irritable. I gotta' stop thinking about this negative stuff.
 
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NYC_Frank

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NYC_Frank said:
My Caldron just arrived and I quickly took my first flight ... oh so sweet ... waited far too long for this tiny engineering masterpiece

Welcome to the family :cool:

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Thanks again @Pipes for your terrific product ...

And don't worry @TommyDee, I'll get around to trying the two longer DC extension cables .... right now I'm enjoying the consistently heated 4 seconds to click timing which the OEM cable provides ...
 
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TommyDee said:
Take out a flute after supper and play for the neighborhood. My dog use to love that :2c:
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Ha ... my cats and I sit on the front stoop and do just that ... who doesn't like that sound, eh?
They are indoor cats, so my wife makes me put the girls on leashes with harnesses ... they LOVE it, as they get to chomp down some grass while we're out there.
 
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Folks, the topic is the VapCap Induction Heater. Please try to stick to it, thanks.
 
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Sir, yes Sir! ... got caught up in the moment.
With the Stay@Home, these forums are an outlet for socializing more than ever ... but, you're right. A quick sentence or two, OK (generally, I suppose) but I get carried away - my BAD! (sorry)
 
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Hello everyone, I am new here just signed up today. I am very interested in purchasing The Caldron, what do I need to do? so far I have sent a PM to Pipes
 
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cybrguy said:
That should be all you need to do. Pipes will contact you. Caldrons are in stock, I think, so it shouldn't be long.

Presumably you have looked at this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_202eBzWeF7rkTjqV5sWumPxtbSNtfjqOZEs1i9d16k/edit
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Thank you very much I appreciate the reply, by PM do you mean "Start a conversation" when I click on a users profile? I did do that so hopefully I did it right :)
Is this where my PM's are? http://fuckcombustion.com/conversations/
 
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