VapCap Induction Heater for Desktop and in Car Use

Discussion in 'DIY' started by Pipes, Nov 23, 2016.

  1. Jah1975

    Jah1975 Member

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    are any of the first batches still available?
    does the first batch also run on DC? or ac only?
     
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  2. Andreaerdna

    Andreaerdna If God is the answer, then the question is wrong

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    3 18650 (lghe4), no AA (would be a dream) :) you need 18650 that can withstand peak of 10-15A to be sure (mines are 2500mah and 20A IIRC)
     
  3. Pipes

    Pipes Addicted DIY Enthusiast Accessory Maker

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    Yes, I have a few left.

    Here is the first Portable. Working like a charm.

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    Sitting beside my ECig.

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    Placing order for more of these boxes shortly.

    Finally sat down to figure out my pricing outside of my head.

    -----------------------PortSide------------------Skeletor---------------------Kit----------------------DeskTop(Jarhead)----

    Parts:------------------$56----------------------$43.70--------------------$42.50--------------------$34.50---------------

    Labour:---------------$40-----------------------$18------------------------$18------------------------$32------------------
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    Totals:---------------$96------------------------$61.70--------------------$60.50--------------------$66.50---------------

    Real Charge:--$95-----------------$60-----------------$60------------------$65-------------


    Shipping:---------Continental US, -$20 with tracking. International will be up to the buyer to pick but seems $20 slow boat without tracking will be the norm as jumps like crazy after that. $30 Air and $40 Air with tracking.

    :cheers:
     
  4. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    I've been using the shit out of my jarhead plug in. The heat up times for my Omni are pretty much in line with what @Andreaerdna posted for the battery unit. 14 seconds from cold and 9 seconds for subsequent heat ups. @Ratchett's NU adapter has been working great with my bubbler/Omni combo. I should do a video, but all this "testing" makes me kinda lazy...:disgust:

    :peace:
     
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  5. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Thanks @Pipes, but PortSide - Skeletor - Kit - DeskTop(Jarhead)- what are the differences?
     
  6. Pipes

    Pipes Addicted DIY Enthusiast Accessory Maker

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    Talked about it last post. It's to take into account those with skill sets and ideas to put together their own versions.

    Jarhead, ready to go in a jar, AC required.
    Kit. basic battery powered with components pre-wired and ready to install into ones imagination.
    Skeletor, Same as KIT but pre-wired and configured into the smallest format, one needs to build around it.
    PortSide, the ready to go no modding needed battery unit.

     
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  7. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Thanks @Pipes, but a pic showing the Kit and the Skeletor side by side with calling their measures could be usefully for realization of differences.
     
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  8. flotntoke

    flotntoke thoroughly vaped

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    :mmmm:

    Portside for us who are squeamish with soldering and whatnot, I guess. Sounds like me.

    Portside me soon please, you incredible genius! Ready and anxiously waiting to be poking my VCs into one of these beautiful units.

    GodDamn, I love this place and the wonderful mad scientists here! A toast to you, good sir. :cheers:
     
  9. SSVUN~YAH

    SSVUN~YAH You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...

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    I'm in for a Pipes PS pa pa please :rockon:
     
  10. stark1

    stark1 Well-Known Member

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    @Pipes You stated the Portside is a self contained battery unit, is it also AC compatible?

    I seem to see a wire coming to/out of it.....:cool:
     
  11. snamuh

    snamuh ghost

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    Sorry to be redundant but the port side model can be run with the batteries as well as being able to plug into a cigarette car adapter and a wall plug?
    If so what specs should we look for in an adapter?
    When plugged in does it bypass the batteries?

    I believe you said there's a charging light...
    I was thinking it would be nice if there was a light inside so that it would be easy to find the hole in the dark.

    Does the Portside come with the batteries?

    And lastly just to be sure... The Desktop unit cannot be used with a cigarette car adapter?

    Thanks.
     
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  12. Pipes

    Pipes Addicted DIY Enthusiast Accessory Maker

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    There is a charging port. A 1 amp charger unit comes with it. Not to be confused with the 60 watt power supply that comes with the Desktop.
    The charger has an LED indicator that is red while charging and turns green when done.
    The unit can still be used while charging as well.

    A led constantly on would be nice but also would be an unneeded drain on the battery.
    Hole is easy to find, even if feeling for it.

    No supplied batteries. There have been many regulation changes regarding shipping of Lithium batteries and creates a big pita to get clearance.
    I recommend 25 amp drain as a minimum cell. VCT3s or 4s would be fine.

    Batteries are never bypassed unless you physically pull them out. Once removed the unit will run like a desktop version if you had the correct power supply supply.

    No need for supplying power from car and not recommended as will overcharge the internal batteries. Only the supplied charger can be used while batteries are installed.

    :science:
     
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  13. u bwade wunner

    u bwade wunner Well-Known Member

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    @Pipes .Look at You hammering away at it...sleek so compact.amazing work...i would love to see a sexy black version of the aluminium portable.

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    This is how far ive got with my coil...not very far considering ive had it for a good while now.its plugged directly to a 10amp 12V supply.currently just plug and play.

    ive had a few mishaps during use:D..mostly leaving my vcap in the heater and forgetting about it.thanks for taming this beast with switches and battery safety @Pipes

    i can say You guys and ladies are gonna really love this thing.i would recommend using a Ti tipped vapcap though, glass og did nt work nearly as well as a TI.it works extraordinarily well with the TI tipped models.i also love not having to spin my vapcap any more.just pop it into the glass tube and wait for the click.i use it all the time pretty much.

    i almost have everything i need to complete my heater.i would like to mount mine in a cheap stash tin if i can.

    Something like this :

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    :spliff::cheers::party:

    @Andreaerdna thanks for your posts :nod:
     
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  14. guyonthecouch

    guyonthecouch Well-Known Member

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    That first Portside is lookin FRESH!! :o ..what is the correct power supply for the Portside without batts? A 60w like the Jarhead?

    Portside with the extra power supply would be my ultimate package :luv:
     
  15. GeeWhiz

    GeeWhiz Well-Known Member

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    I think skeletor is the one for me. How much heat do you think the housing needs to withstand? Pipes do you think a case could be made out of wood?

    I have been configuring and carving now for a few days. :) I am enjoying the added motivation.

    GW
     
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  16. Pipes

    Pipes Addicted DIY Enthusiast Accessory Maker

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    @u bwade wunner, now that's DIYing! :science:

    This is the 1A charger.

    The 60 watt supply is bare minimal rating for the Desktop application.

    Wood is possible as the heat build up seems very minimal. This is in part, from no active current flow while not in use and when in use it's only for seconds at a time. However, to be on the safe side, you should get something like this stuff to make the insides fire proof. Most premixed fire retardant paint seems to come in huge gallon containers so this seems like a good idea as can mix into any latex paint in small quantities.

    Guys, as a reminder, please reach out via PM with your requests. Skeletor units can be made anytime now. Only units on hold, are the Portsides. Ordered 17 enclosures for them yesterday.

    :cheers:
     
  17. GeeWhiz

    GeeWhiz Well-Known Member

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    I hate to sound so silly..... but... how do you PM on here. I see no application to do that.
    GW
     
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  18. TeeJay1952

    TeeJay1952 Well-Known Member

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    Point at person's avatar/Left click/Start Conversation.
     
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  19. Buildozer

    Buildozer Baked & Fried

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    You continue to be the man @Pipes! :bowdown: I got to try Stu's heater earlier... That thing's sweet!! The magnet and trigger button is a really nice touch.
     
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  20. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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  21. Pipes

    Pipes Addicted DIY Enthusiast Accessory Maker

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    Sorry, no good. That is not a charger but a 2 amp supply, and the cut off voltage is very specific for 3 cell Lithium packs.
    I found the pack charges in only a couple hours at 1 amp which is considered fast charging.
     
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  22. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    @Pipes, Bro, I believe you would do yourself a favour to sample all important informations on the different devices in one post! This would prevent a lot of questions, asked again and again.

    BTW back to my still open question some posts ago, how are the measures esp. of the Kit and the Skeletor?
     
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  23. Pipes

    Pipes Addicted DIY Enthusiast Accessory Maker

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    I'll put together a FAQ doc once things come together a bit more. Similar to the FAQ for the Eraser in one of my signature links.

    The Skeletor measures 64 x 64 x 78mm height. Smallest arrangement.
    Portside 100 x 50 x 100 height.
    Kit is separate pieces to be arranged by owner in their custom configurations.
     
  24. rz

    rz Well-Known Member

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    It oscillates! :)

    When with my current limited 5A supply which goes down to 9.5V (~47W), first click is just under 10s, second clicks in about 4. It's controlled by a MCU which can also read temperature via IR. PWM works well so I can reduce idle current to almost nothing, though PWM driving circuit doesn't work too well when PS voltage drops (with vc in). I still have lots to do.. (buck booster for parts of circuit?). still waiting for some battery parts.

    Experimented with coils a little and also settled on one with double winding. Got lots more wire to play with :)

    More info to come..

    Edit: This thing rocks. Thanks @Pipes for inspiration, I've needed incentive to build something for a while and when it's THC related I'm all in :D



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  25. u bwade wunner

    u bwade wunner Well-Known Member

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    Took tools to my old magic flight tin today and did a little recycling. Had lots of fun with the switch..they are damn delicate :doh::D
    I punched holes in the tin with a leather hole punch and hammer..no drilling holes or mess:bowdown:

    had a quick go.Hits are quick and thick...i am going to spread the coil or adjust the dowel a lttle to delay the click.

    all will ve revealed when you get your jarhead or portable.it opens a whole new chapter for the vapcap.. i promise You.

    nice to be back to nice,laidback medicine :zzz:..ive been without my coil for a few days and i really missed it.

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    Below..If i move the heater coil and power port a battery pack should fit in there too.
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    its a copy of @Pipes desktop model with heatshrink holding the switch & glass and the little dowel etc .

    Ive used Clear epoxy to hold the switch and glass tube to the base of the tin.it will hold 54 kilos of force apparently.
    I used Fire proof silicone to hold the induction coil PCB in place.its solid as a rock,but i will fix a bracket to secure it better soon.
    I kept the blue blockconnectors on the coil board because the wiring i bought was too heavy to solder direct to the board.Nice and easy though .learned heaps and had a laugh especially at the end...thanks @Pipes for your help...

    the onboard led on the coil pcb transmits some light to make the glass glow in the dark when the switch is actuated.i should be able to improve on that.

    having the ccd in the induction area really fires up the vapcap some more .you could add extra bits ss paperclips etc inside the bowl to get conduction firing even fiercer i guess.

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    Yep my coil is toast.im going to order a few more.still getting to click in 5 seconds or so .

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    Lastly how awesome is it that the VapCap electrical solution is diy & open source...

    there just isnt any better than that:evil:

    looking forward to seeing what people can come up with especially with tins or boxes.:nod:

    The humble stash tin has become one of those icons for me..its been great to use it for such a good project.
     
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