It'd be nice if we had an EE to help us out huh. stardustsailor I understand had a child, he's got his hands full for a while. I think we have sorta high jacked his thread. Not sure I understand are you saying? I did post the question to both parts on BangGood, for what that's worth. What charger do you use or suggest for these types of packs stand alone, externally. Ha I just noticed your spoiler!