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Utopia Desktop Herbal & Oil Vaporizer

Discussion in 'Upcoming and Unreleased Plug-in Vaporizers' started by THC SCIENTIFIC, Jun 3, 2014.

  1. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Hi @THC SCIENTIFIC I can't see the video, I got this message: "your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available"

    The Utopia carry a lot of promises for connoisseurs in term of components quality and engineering but is there some new features? (I dream about a vape with a potentiometer to set the conduction/convection ratio)
     
  2. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    It is on youtube on our channel, not sure why you cant view it.

    But see if this can work.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk8p9bFuiifx18RofjwbFOQ?view_as=subscriber
     
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  3. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Thanks for your help but it seems the issue comes from my computer, I will try later on another computer.

    A pint of vapor in your honor!
     
  4. SamuraiSam

    SamuraiSam Extraction Technician

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    I did not have any success using the "spoon" oil attachment and feel strongly that the tendency of the herb bowl to become coated with flower and resin residue from said flower made for a messy and off-tasting experience compared to a vaporizer which had separate herb and flower attachments, such as a Cloud EVO. Having owned and used one of those for several years, that became my benchmark for comparsion.

    Having multiple herb bowls on hand negates the need to completely clean the herb chamber after each bowl. and the EVO's design is easy to brush out and doesn't have any parts to get coated with oil as it is the last component of that vaporizer's airpath, while the Odyssey design trapped herb inside a part that could not be disassembled, requiring multiple ISO soaks/rinses to fully clean. When I vaporized oils off the spoon, cloud production was weak; the spoon only took up 15-25% of the air path, while with herb; the entire hot air flow had to pass through the herb. Less of the heat energy produced by the heater had a chance to heat (and therefore vaporize) those oils. Unfortunately as the hot air began to heat the oil and spoon, the oil would get thin enough to simply run and drain before much vaporization took place. The spoon simply did not hold oils for enough heat to be transferred to them, and did not get hot enough from contact with heated air to heat the oils via conduction either.

    Compared to herbs which I tastily vaped many bowls with (although I also did many bowl cleanings and many bong cleanings due to small bits of flower always being drawn down into the water pipe) the oils had a strong tendency to be drawn 'down' through the bowl assembly, towards the joint instead of producing vapor. Using the Hercules coil as a wick to hold oils in place was very effective at producing MUCH more vapor than the spoon as it held oils in place via capillary action, and it helped the oil to cover much more surface area so more hot air could heat it. the thin gauge Ti was able to heat up more easily with the hot air, and thusly enough heat was transferred into the oil for proper vaporization to occur. And, a lower temperature could be used, so the hits (off a fresh Herc coil) tasted better, However after repeated uses the flavor would go 'off' and a new Herc coil would have to be used. Didnt have to saturate the coil, could even place a single dabs worth of oil on to the coil and drop the coil into the bowl, during the hit the coil heats and oil runs down throughout the coil and is vaporized as the coil heats up as the hot air passes over it,

    Having joined UP Tech with the desire to apply my mechanical and engineering background to product development and refinement, I was ecstatic to test and supply feedback to help better this next-generation vaporizer. My only intent in turning in honest feedback was to help deliver a better product. I am sure some of my feedback and intended help was met with less than total enthusiasm, as it was my strong suggestion to continue experimenting with different bowl designs for both oil and herb. For herb, finding ways to minimize or eliminate particulates being drawn through the bowl into the water pipe was the main goal. Secondarily, making the bowl easier to brush out / clean out quicker, would be optimal.

    For oils I suggesting trying instead of a spoon, a wand made of a quartz frit, or a bowl using a fritted quartz disc, or even a 'basket' that could hold a small amount of loose quartz frit (which could also serve as an 'ashcatcher' to prevent particles of herb from making it into the piece. I submitted a few drawings of bowl designs and a made videos discussing various points, but never had the chance to test any of these ideas (nor any others such as trying to reduce the size/weight of the Odyssey air channel/heatsink via tighter 'folds' etc) saw the next step as I was let go and asked to return my tester unit.

    In THC Scientifics latest video it does appear some changes have been made to the lower section of the bowl which might help with that herb contamination, I am just not sure how easy it will be to clean the bowl out.

    Despite the state of things between myself and UP Tech, I stand by my earlier statements - if this powerful, flavorful performer can be refined into a less cumbersome (smaller, more friendly to operate) product, I will happily purchase one.
     
  5. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    The new bowls have two designs built in to test out what will work. Also the second bowls i mentioned that have not been made yet will have the top honeycomb removed as we found out this was the cause that the spoon idea was not functioning correctly.

    In other words the user will get two bowls.

    the one pictured here with the New spoon and the same one just without the top honeycomb to see which works better.


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  6. SamuraiSam

    SamuraiSam Extraction Technician

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    That new spoon looks like frit to me! Radical. I am also excited to see user feedback about the change I see in the bottom of that bowl! Congrats on your progress.
     
  7. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge

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    Thanks for the clarification...makes a lot of sense now!

    Obviously they need to be tested together (heater and bowl) before final release. But if you find there aren't enough $700 takers, the bowl configuration could be tested by anyone owning an Evo or Herborizer, or anything similar that can shoot air at a precise temp into the bowl.

    That thing is gorgeous and I will have to taste one someday, but I just looked around here and I wouldn't feel comfortable sitting it on top of any glass I currently own. I'd want a nice, thick base unit with a low center of gravity. Sort of like the vxl hydrabase, but with a female joint on top instead of the joint out to the side.

    Love where this is going with the all glass air path and commitment to doing both flowers and extracts!
     
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  8. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    @stickstones I wish i can lower the costs of the device, only way to do that if its in the 1000's as of right now everything is hand made in the US.

    On top of that each vaporizer will give you direct access to an engineer will help in fixing issues and getting things right.

    All of this costs money its a service we are offering has to be paid for some how and if no one is interested in this business model then I will back away from the SciFi design and move on with other projects.
     
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  9. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    How about this, pm me your states and if i can, ill purchase two plane tickets and come see you guys for a session.

    Ill put up the Odyssey against anything you have, and if it is something you like better we can talk after that.

    We can talk outside of FC once i know what states you guys are in and if i can travel and when if possible.

    But i am willing to put it up against anything you have.
     
  10. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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  11. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    That is an amazing offer but I live in Canada. This is the reason I am asking all these question as the import taxes would be very expensive and shipping back is not cheap either.
    Also being able to test out all the functions, especially oil that I do not use very often at all and that seems to be what you need to test the most for bowl design changes, I don't think I would be the best tester.

    This is the reason I am asking so many questions...
     
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  12. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before Manufacturer

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    The $700 is deposit for the item. It is a commercial sample So customs and importing fees are null and void for these pieces.

    I’m so confident enough in my product that I’ll take up the cost of shipping it back if you don’t like it.

    I am only looking to widen the range of the feedback and user experience we have currently.
     
  13. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge

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    Sounds like you’re making a trip to the east coast!
     
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  14. Zow237

    Zow237 Well-Known Member

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    Damn I'd love to test this, but shit I don't have 700 to drop :(
     
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  15. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    We just got the oil bowls here, waiting on the heaters from the engineer. Will keep you posted once everything is here, ill do a few videos.
     
  16. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    2 Hits around 50% power, on the 3rd hit I pushed it up to 95% power, but for that 3rd hit I almost caused combustion as you can see by the few dark spots. I deleted the video I made this session because I am sick and I coughed mid hits as well.

    I also did not find my updated oil bowl so i was not able to test oil. As for the Herb it is on point.

    Heat up time has increased a bit by the new heaters but I am not happy with that so I am going to update the heaters one more time.

    In my opinion if I had kept the power around 50% at all times and If I had not been sic I think the ABV would be a more constant mid brow, if i had gone 5 or 6 hits then dark brown would have not been an issue.



    Edited:

    Forgot to mention I did not stir at all.

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  17. MileHighHuman

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    No offense but your going to need and reduce the price significantly if you want people to test out this device. Unless it can produce results significantly better than the other devices on the market, then id like to know why the reason is for such high price. I did see you say the glass vaporizer is made in some special spaceship format which is interesting, but I'm pretty sure people are wanting vaporizers more for performance rather than aesthetics. Im sure multiple people would be interested in purchasing, but just not at the current price point. Is there no way to manufacture without the spaceship design for much cheaper?
     
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  18. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before Manufacturer

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    We are looking for a cheaper design and it’s possible but we are still looking at a high number because of the Parts which is built by hand by an actual engineer in the US and tech support will be handled by them as well.

    The level of support that each unit comes with combined with the idea of being 100% built in the US with a 100% glass air path is what drives up the cost.

    I am sorry but the Oddyseey will only be sold if it’s Made in the USA. Our goal is for our desktop line to be made In the USA to support American Glass blowers and American workers while our portable line can be build oversees or a hybrid configuration if it’s needed.


    As for the Odyssey having results significantly better? I would say it would be hard to beat its capabilities.
     
  19. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    @THC SCIENTIFIC

    I understand your viewpoint about Made in America as well as the technical support for the vape.

    To understand a bit further:
    1- How much support are we going to need with an analog vape? No digital programming required and not as technologically advanced as say the HexNail.
    2- Why not simplify the exterior of the glass to simplify manufacture and lower price simultaneously?

    I would love this vape to be compared to the New Vape Showerhead. This is my daily driver and does everything I need and more all in a small form factor that does not break the bank. All machined in America by Americans and using American Titanium.Any troubles I have and I email them or call and have a response in very short time for no extra cost.

    This is also the reason we want to see videos of it in action. If it truly is as revolutionary as it is made out to be then it should be very easy to show us how much better it is than anything else out there. At this price point it has to be the pinnacle of vaporizing!

    Not trying to break your balls or anything, just battling to see it from your point of view.
     
  20. Ramahs

    Ramahs Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017

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    Yuppers. On that glass stand it does kinda look like a death ray.
     
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  21. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    We understand your concerns and want to lower the costs. I will let you know next 2-3 weeks what we can do.
     
  22. Vapologist

    Vapologist HamsterDAMAGED

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    The relative time dilation in this amazingly compressed space is doing my head in. It's been 3 1/2 years. Can't wait to see this become an actual product!

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  23. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    It will become a product for sure, I just came home from meeting with our glass manufacturer. We are redoing the bowl and body.

    It should lower the price a bit but i cant say for how much until i have everything done.




    On a different side note, i have a new toy im playing with and you guys will hear about it soon.
     
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  25. MileHighHuman

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    Awesome to hear. Samurai Sam and DieHard's performance videos do look intriguing. But just not for $700. The VapeXhale EVO uses an all glass airpath but is 1/2 the Utopia cost.

    But like said I'm looking forward to trying if the price is actually justifiable.

    :rockon:
     
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