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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by underdog, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. OhTheAgony

    OhTheAgony here for the chicks

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    I haven't used mine enough to comment on that to be honest. I have only bought the small one to take my logs with me occasionally but use a heavier VVPS at home. I'd inform about others their experiences with the smaller VVPS in the before mentioned thread if you want to get some more feedback on that one.

    Soldering a cable is very easy imo, if you think you'd be comfortable doing it just go for it. You might gain a new skill that you can depend on for the rest of your life in the process. I believe Dave was going to sell the tattoo-psu cables soon too, but I'm not sure when he's planning to actually stock them.
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    Thanks again. I will have to refresh my memory and look at that thread again. I DO remember that someone said their little VVPS had failed.

    I'll also look at that thread again for the soldering procedures and required materials. I actually own a soldering iron (was going to do some motorcycle electrical work, but ended up not using it), so its probably finally time to get some use out of it.

    I am probably going to take Goat Pussy's advice first and buy one of those multi-voltage adapters at my local Radio Shack. If 13v doesn't do it (am I'm fucking picky....I'll probably decide that I need 13.001v to suit my discerning tastes:mental:), I am going to order me up a VVPS.
  3. I_wanted_truth

    I_wanted_truth Active Member

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    I like this simple solution a lot. I am on the phone now with Radio Shack seeing if they have any of them available. Hopefully, 13v will be high enough to get me....uh....high enough.:ugh:

    You're talking about the Enercell (Radio Shack brand) white one? My local store has one and I am thinking about pulling the trigger.

    I know nothing about AC vs DC current. The employee cautioned me that the adapter was AC. Does this matter for the dog?
  4. OhTheAgony

    OhTheAgony here for the chicks

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    Just make sure what psu you have now first (ask Dave). If I remember correctly the big brick already runs over 13V, in which case buying the radio shack one wouldn't do you much good.

    And since you mentioned motorcycles I just have to spam this here: FC bikez :tup:
  5. I_wanted_truth

    I_wanted_truth Active Member

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    Unfortunately, I sold my bike (Kawasaki Ninja 250......fun as hell and great on gas!) when my wife got pregnant. Too many hobbies and never enough time.

    What about the AC/DC thing? With Radio Shack's return policy, I am curious to see if the adapter would do anything. Maybe if the stock plug is running at 13v, then the 13v RS plug will actually be running at 14v.......

    Will the AC adapter mess with my dog?
  6. underdog

    underdog shade-tree vapor engineer Manufacturer

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    @ Amnesiac - Wow thanks for such an in depth and glowing review dude.. we're super glad you're happy and enjoying the Dog, keep up the foggy good work!

    @ I_wanted - Hey sorry to hear your Pup isn't quite getting it done for you, lets see if we can remedy that situation. Can you start by telling me what power supply you received? I've got 2-3 different ones in stock right now that I'm shipping with Dogs so identifying that will help to get things started. I would hold off on buying a VVPS or a RadioShack PS until I have a chance to work with you a bit as it might not be necessary. :peace:

    Oh, and OTA and everyone else I am now making and selling the mono-plugged cords for the VVPS (tattoo style ones) just haven't had time to add them to the website so they require contacting me directly.

    Also I have one of those mini-VVPS from the other thread and have been testing it for a week or two. So far it is working well but I have doubts about it's longevity. It is very cheaply made and runs very hot so I anticipate it will fail rather quickly in a 24/7 environment but only time will tell. The plus side is that it's very small, and very cheap so a person could order several of them for the size/price of a larger VVPS (or stock power supply in some cases). :2c:

    Also, as some of you have probably noticed and received with your orders by now I am trying out some switchmode power supplies again (like last year) that are much smaller and are regulated voltage. These run at about 12.5v so cooler than the huge brick we've been using. We need to find a new power supply as the big brick has been discontinued and is limited to the remaining stock so the clock is ticking. :peace:
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  7. I_wanted_truth

    I_wanted_truth Active Member

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    Dave:

    Thanks for your help. I have the bigass "CUI Stack Direct Plug-in Class 2 transformer." Model 57-12-1200D. I've used it in the wall directly and with a 10-foot extension cord (because its so big/heavy there are some plugs in my house that it will not stay put in.....necessitating it laying on the floor with an extension cord). Same result. Doesn't matter if the dog is on for 40 minutes or 4 hours.

    Thanks!
  8. EveryDayAmnesiac

    EveryDayAmnesiac Heaven can't wait.

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  9. underdog

    underdog shade-tree vapor engineer Manufacturer

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    Hmmm, ok that power supply is going to put out 13.5v to 13.75v which runs most Dogs very, very hot.. it's the hottest of the various power supplies we've used to date. You're not getting results though that are associated with that temp so something is obviously up. As has been noted it is an unregulated power supply so if your line voltage is low it will put out less power (ie, less heat), or the heater in your Dog could just be a bit cooler than normal, or there could be some kind of issue with the Dog itself or power supply, or a combination of all those variables. Sorry if this is rambling, just thinking out loud here... :hmm:

    I think given that you've already got a CUI that a RadioShack power supply isn't going to give you any real boost, and if anything might actually reduce your heat even more. A VVPS would certainly give you the ability to dial the power in to just the amount needed so maybe that's the best way to go forward. I could have you send the Dog back in or I could send you another power supply but my gut feeling is maybe you have low line voltage (plus voltage drop from extensions) combined with a slightly low powered heater and my instinct says it'd be a waste of time and money to send you either of those.

    Thinking.. again. :hmm:
  10. I_wanted_truth

    I_wanted_truth Active Member

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    Could there be something I'm doing wrong? Like I think I mentioned, I will load my silicone stem with about a pea-sized piece of herb (ripped up a little) and tamp it down with the wooden dowel. That amount pretty much covers the entire screen. The screen can't go any lower in the stem. In fact, I think some of the brown spots I get may actually be from the core touching the herb directly.

    I have tried drawing super slowly and fast/forceful and every combination.

    I do remove the stem from the core after a hit (thinking that would help me conserve), but have also left the stem in the core thinking that a little extra heat buildup/conduction will help me get the color I want.

    Maybe there is some learning curve or user error? If the answer is to pack more in the stem...unfortunately, I am not really interested in that solution.

    Also, are low voltage lines common in the US? We've never had issues with any other electrical devices. Is there a cheap/easy way to check my outlets' output?

    Thanks again. Sorry to be the Debbie Downer of this thread.
  11. OhTheAgony

    OhTheAgony here for the chicks

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    Ah, you just need to use more product mate, try about a tenth of a gram or slightly less. If you don't want to do that a higher voltage would work too, but only up to a certain degree.
  12. underdog

    underdog shade-tree vapor engineer Manufacturer

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    No, I really don't think there's anything you're doing wrong.. and there really isn't any significant learning curve to the UD so I think the issue is probably that the heater for whatever reason isn't getting quite the power it needs. You shouldn't have to pack more though you might try taking that same amount and 'grinding' it up a bit finer as that will sometimes make a difference. Can you give that a shot and see if it changes anything and if not we'll move on.
  13. OhTheAgony

    OhTheAgony here for the chicks

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    I do find there is a certain ideal amount to make each type of bowl perform optimal myself, can't hurt to try anyways :shrug:
  14. I_wanted_truth

    I_wanted_truth Active Member

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    Well, that would be 1/10th of my allowance for the week (I budget/alot 1 gram/week)! If that is the answer, then my MFLB (with no amount being too small) may be a better solution for me.

    Should have mentioned that. After the first drag or two, I'll empty the stem and grind it up with my fingers. Still left with yellow/green AVB.

    I'll try a larger load in the stem, just to see if that changes anything (per OTA recommendation). Unfortunately, I was looking for a vape that handle small doses.
  15. underdog

    underdog shade-tree vapor engineer Manufacturer

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    Ah, ok well there goes that theory (smaller grind) I_wanted.. it was worth a try. For the record I know lots of people use very small amounts, in the 1/20th gram range in their stems to good effect so it's all relative.. you should be getting better results.

    How about you send me an email and I'll send you the mini-VVPS I've been testing and you can try it out and see if boosting the power a bit helps, it might be all you need to have a great experience. :peace:
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  16. I_wanted_truth

    I_wanted_truth Active Member

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    Wow. Wasn't expecting customer service like that! Though, I suppose I should have expected it based upon your track record. Anyway, thanks again. Email sent to your underdogvapes@gmail.com address.
  17. underdog

    underdog shade-tree vapor engineer Manufacturer

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  18. happyTrails

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    If you find that it roasts darker with more in the stem, you could just take a rip or two, stir it around, set the stem down, and finish it at another time or the next day. I have used the same stem for 3-4 sessions on occasion. This way there is no loss of efficiency. Just realize that the clouds will be thicker, so draw for less time to get the same amount. Good luck!
  19. I_wanted_truth

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    I'm gonna load a big one up and see what happens.

    You're absolutely right about there NOT being a loss of efficiency.....IF I can restrain myself to only vaping the quantity I need!
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  20. Catherine

    Catherine Member

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    What is the best way to contact Underdog? i've tried the website and Facebook, but haven't heard back.
  21. underdog

    underdog shade-tree vapor engineer Manufacturer

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    Hi Catherine, sorry you haven't been able to get in touch that's weird I haven't seen any messages come in but maybe something wacky is going on.. at any rate you can send me an email directly at underdog@underdogvapes.com if you'd like. :tup:
  22. Catherine

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    just did. Thanks so much !
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  23. mudshark

    mudshark Vaporist

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    I concur with these statements. Maybe a smaller stem is in the works for 2013? If not, it should be.
  24. HighlyEducatedScholar

    HighlyEducatedScholar Student of Vapor

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    This and what OTA has been saying. for whatever reason, i've found that my Dog definitely roasts darker with more in the stem. I came from using a MFLB first so I was really used to using very minute amounts much like I_wanted_truth but found that I wasn't getting the darkness of roast that i wanted. when i realized that once i started packing more i could get a much better color to my ABV. now i often just pack a medium sized stem and take one puff out of it every now and then. great way to spend lazy days at home.
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  25. that herb guy

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    Did you already try the microstem? From what I know it's got the narrowest airpath so should help out with any issues with that. Off the dome, have you tried putting in two screens rather than one? I haven't had to try that but the extra mesh may help the air build up around the herb too.

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