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ultrasonic dab?

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by 2clicker, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    just found this vape for ejuice that does not use any heat! link is below. it uses ceramic ultrasonic vibration pressure to create the vapor. not only does it create vapor... it creates nano-partical vapor of which is far smoother than vapor created from a heat source.

    wondering if this tek could be use for thicker materials like un cut (no juice) concentrates.

    thoughts?

    http://m.usonicig.com/index.html
     
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  2. Tomfool86

    Tomfool86 Active Member

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    i looked around and i really cant find ANY info anywhere. Im definitely curious as to how it operates.
     
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  3. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    i found a thread on an ecig forum about it. not much info yet, but my interest is peaked.
     
  4. mc

    mc Well-Known Member

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    would this even work with non decarbed medicine?
     
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  5. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    idk anything about it, but def question if itll work on a “solid”.
     
  6. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Hi, I contacted the manufacturer about this new technology, they only tested it for e-liquids and they don't know if it will work with wax, I'm close to order one but since the atty only work with its proprietary battery I'm not sure.... it's for sale for 69£ on Vape&Volt (UK).

    Is there a scientist here able to say if this ultasonic technology can work with our meds?
     
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  7. Andreaerdna

    Andreaerdna If God is the answer, then the question is wrong

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    Not a scientist but I am very doubtfull it can works on pure concentrates, maybe diluted a lot with low evaporation point liquid (water),definitely I am curious to know for sure :popcorn:

    There would be no heat decarb i think, as evaporation happens at relatively cold temperatures
     
  8. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Yes, seems right, I didn't thought about that issue...

    I tried to contact Vape&Volt to know if they tested it in that way.
     
  9. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    id be willing to bet our resident brain, @OF , could provide some input.

    i dont follow the threads that he is found in anymore, but i know he would have something to chew on regarding this.
     
  10. the.gatsby.lab

    the.gatsby.lab New Member

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    For a heatless vaporizer, ultrasonic mesh tech or otherwise, you will likely need to use distillate or otherwise already decarbed thc concentrates. Also to be effective you may also need to alter the viscosity of the concentrate (for the highest quality smoke i recommend doing this with pure natural terpenes) Vaporization of High-Terp concentrates is the best application for ultrasonic vaping. Terpenes combust at a much lower temp. Ultrasonic vaporization offers the option of terp rich hits with no heat degradation.
     
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  11. mc

    mc Well-Known Member

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    ya but it's decarbbed, it's already been heat degraded enough.
     
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  12. Mulchmaker

    Mulchmaker Veni Vidi Vapi

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    Ultrasonic vapor formation is really fascinating, particularly because nobody is really sure how it works. Here's a study from the Journal of Fluid Mechanics a couple years ago:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4428615/#!po=35.6383

    The short version is this: at the fluid-gas boundary of a liquid agitated by an ultrasonic transducer, chains (or stacks) of drops form on top of pressure ridges. Within the topmost drop of each chain, bubbles are spawned. These bubbles erupt through the surface of the drop, generating a vapor of nanodroplets of fluid.

    The most commonly-accepted theory to explain these bubbles is cavitation. Basically, the ultrasonic waves agitate the fluid enough to form tiny pockets of vacuum (which appear to us as "bubbles"). What isn't well understood (and, spoiler alert, this study does not resolve) is what happens next. It may be that when enough cavitation bubbles form within a drop, the surface tension of the drop can no longer contain them. Breaking the surface, gas molecules rush in to fill the void with enough energy to obliterate the drop. Or, it may be that the fluid molecules crashing into each other as the cavitation bubbles collapse generate enough heat to make the fluid boil, causing the fluid drop to explode. Or it may be a little of both.

    As you'll see in the study, viscosity is a factor in vapor formation, and the thicker the fluid the greater the amount of energy you need to produce vapor. To atomize something like wax, you'd need one hell of a transducer. Even undiluted hash oil would be challenging, but it would be very interesting to try it.
     
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  13. mc

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    awesome stuff! is it possible the vibrations are breaking the sound barrier at their peak and causing the same effect you see jets in the air?
     
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  14. Mulchmaker

    Mulchmaker Veni Vidi Vapi

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    The end result (the pressure wave) is similar, though obviously on a very different scale. At the macro level, cavitation is often seen when boat screws turn too fast. The collapsing bubbles can cause amazing damage to the propeller blades.
     
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  15. mc

    mc Well-Known Member

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    fascinating stuff, thanks!
     
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  16. invertedisdead

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    Ultrasonic vaporization is how those misting essential oil diffusers work. If one used raw material it would not be decarboxylated, so no psychoactivity, though it could probably be incredibly medicinal/therapeutic. The cannabis is going to have an amazing essential oil blend in natures perfect harmony and those nano particles in the aerosol should have high absorption rate.

    I'm not sure what the proper diluent would be though, essential oils are very diluted when using household ultrasonic vaporization. The potency would surely go down to more like flower levels at least, I would think. Still might work with the right setup, but these ultrasonic vaporizers need extremely clean material. Isolated reintroduced terpenes never taste as good as terpenes which precipitate out of solution after a single pass hydrocarbon extraction, but not sure if even those are clean enough?

    There are some companies currently exploring nebulizer designs for cannabis too. That would be better for vaporizing undiluted oils.
     
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  17. fernand

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    So now the Rhythm from Usonicig can be purchased for around $50. There's an interesting tear-down here, around 38:38


    Click to play YouTube Video
     
  18. fernand

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    I was thinking, if we tear off all that e-cig superstructure, the cotton, and just put some decarbed sauce on the ceramic vibrating surface you can see when Busardo is dripping e-juice on it. Sizzle-bam. The temp they were talking about with the cotton and all was in the mid 300s. If we can just creep up to around 400, which doesn't seem impossible without the cotton carpeting.

    And ... how fast does THCA decarboxylate at 350-400 degrees F?
     

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