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Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by mikek9, Aug 10, 2015.

  1. theCerberus

    theCerberus Well-Known Member

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    Please be more polite. You are very condescending and it makes me not want to respond to you, or feel some sort of aggression towards you. I dont think I have much to add other than to be open to what others opinions are, and not to be so arrogant as to think you represent all medical patients just because you are talking to some on social media and reading articles.

    You constantly put words in my mouth and assume I mean things I dont. I simply have exeprience being a patient and trying out LPs. There are certainly NOT dozens of LPs selling to other LPs. Theres a handful. Maybe 4 or 5 I can name on one hand that can produce and sell to the others. I know because I call all these companies when they get approved, and periodically afterwards to see what their deal is.

    They weren't testing at all for these pesticides. That was his point. Now they have a stringent level. before they didnt.


    I call them with my phone, and keep a running spreadsheet. It's not that hard to do. think for a second before you respond. Being condescending isnt helpful.
     
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  2. mikek9

    mikek9 Vapor Enthusiast

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    Don't be offended so easily. I'm just telling it like it is.

    And I mentioned majority of medical patients which can be anything from 60% and above depending on the standard. That's pretty wide reaching. I don't think 40% of medical patients now are the ones scrambling to save the dispensary framework which originated to serve 5000 patients under MMAR nationwide. Now that there are over 100,000 user and growing the majority being older Canadians and baby boomers looking for and able to afford alternative remedies.

    I know this because he very specialist that treats me has been also working at a Hamilton pain clinic associated with dr mark ware and is more informed than most of the internet about the kinds of patients that have been walking through their doors. He told me he spends more time convincing patients that it isn't the black market prohibition era abomination they used to think it was. He basically convinces old folks cannabis is not a drug.

    Those people in his clinic which is one of the biggest in Canada associated with McMaster and pioneered one of the original studies years ago for pain management with cannabis. Their patients are all the type that want to just order it through the mail and want something easy to deal with like their oils or precise dosing caps they are rolling out. Most are never going to smoke. LPs are making a killing off some products.
     
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  3. theCerberus

    theCerberus Well-Known Member

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    Please just stay on topic, dont attack the poster, attack the topic. if you have to comment on the posters actions, try to be constructive like I'm doing right now.

    There are two groups of patients, ones with no standards other than safety, who just started and just want relief, all the power to them, and the ones who were likely some of the 5000 under MMAR who had knowledge of what quality cannabis and properly phenotyped strains were and used that to their advantage to look and smell out what works for them, and the occasional helpful budtender to steer you in the right direction when they dont have what they are needing. The problem with forcing a mail order system on this second group is it eliminates being able to do those things.

    Then there are recreational users who just want to get high.

    My own opinion is that some illnesses require certain genetics to have relief from their symptoms and for that cannabis to be produced at a very high quality standard that I've seen very few LPs achieve. And some illnesses do not require such specifics and only need a high. these patients will not need any quality standards.

    Let me ask a different question. I used to use king kong, white fire og, g13 haze, and rockstar kush from CALM. Where am I supposed to get these strains under ACMPR? My only legal choice would be to produce them for myself. Something I didnt want to do in the first place, which is why I went to CALM. So then I have to find similar genetics and hope to pick an LP that can produce to the same quality CALM did.

    And yes I understand Health Canada has safety standards, but what good does that do when we find out they arent enforcing some of them... now we can hope they have everything accounted for and they are extra stringent but what we are really putting our faith in is the LP as in reality only a small sample is every tested out of each lot.

    Most of the problems with MMPR still exist in ACMPR. 5 grams is the smallest container any LP sells. You need 0.1 to try out a strain in a vape. You can buy half grams at most dispensaries and spending $5 to try a strain is less of a problem over $50. Lots of LPs promise the highest medical quality and give you schwag, with no remorse, no returns and no refunds.

    My frustration for ACMPR still exists. It's just that I'm happy with Broken Coast and the few strains I know they have that help my symptoms. If they didn't have those in stock, and consistent quality/refunds+returns when they dont, I'd just be right back to dispensaries.
     
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  4. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    I have been picking up some awesome strains from The Farmacy in Hamilton!
    Last score was 10 week Girl Scout Cookies and 10 Week RockStar, some White Russian and George Bush Kush.
    Prices are more than online but at least i get to see, touch, smell and examine the buds before i buy.

    Also want to try out The Chrono one day for their Quads!
     
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  5. mikek9

    mikek9 Vapor Enthusiast

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    I find I still prefer dispensaries that do mail order. I honestly don't really like the atmosphere in most dispensaries as they always seem to be looking over their shoulders while they overtly abuse the rules previous compassion dispensaries followed. Which started with stringent checks and an absolute requirement you were directly referred by a doctor or held an MMAR. Now they are like, "Oh, you have a passport, but it's expired? No problem, we can work with that. I'm not supportive of business that flaunt the rules that previously governed the quiet industry. I refuse to do business with them.

    I first seek out non profits. Currently the only two dispensaries in Canada that get any of my business is either Toronto Compassion Centre or Beard Brothers from the opposite end of the country. I do mail order with both and am consistently happy.

    I believe it's in the non-profit initiative that you end up with more compassionate individuals and dispensaries that aren't after the money because they don't benefit from increased sales directly.

    Even then they were a little grungy but were always more compassion oriented. Check out Beard Bros for some quality mail order and reasonably prices shatter and other concentrates. $45/g for shatter and able to split reach gram in half and get two strains per gram for the same price.

    Firstly they are a non-profit. $220/oz, $115/half and I forget what the price is for a quarter. Also ounces can be split up down to 28 individual grams if you wanted and they had that many strains in stock which is unlikely.

    I have received some of the dankest looking and hitting buds from there on a consistent basis. Some incredibly well grown flower.

    I don't get to see and touch it before I buy, but when you realize it's $60-$80 cheaper per ounce you start to think it might be worth the savings. Only once you know the sort of quality that particular dispensary is offering consistently.

    Sadly many dispensaries pass off poor quality bud as medical grade and that's a total farce. I bought vegan grown pink Kush which was the tip strain I had. It has a faint taste of mothballs when vapes but otherwise you would never detect that when smelling the full jar, just the more dominant notes are there.

    You can certainly judge bud by its looks, but without smelling you can be easily tricked. But very faint barely detectable tastes can be so subtle they don't express it through smell or it is overwhelmed by other stronger odours.

    This was also bud from Canada's first dispensary to be licensed municipally and they have a Canada wide chain. I visited heir bayview location to be so sadly disappointed I don't want to go back.

    Only thing keeping me a member is to be a part of the UBC study partnered with them to examine the effectiveness of cannabinoids in replacing opioids for treatment of chronic pain as well for those facing addiction from illicit used. It is wide open and running for 2-6 months depending on your need. All the cannabis is shipped from BC specially and is separate batches hand selected and sent into the lab for full analysis. This is crucial so they know the cannabinoid and terpene profiles like potency and etc to add to their database to try to narrow down what strains are reported as most effective and etc. It is tested to a high standard like health Canada's current standards. There is no cost to participate in the study which means you just go weekly on a designated day to pick up bud for the week which the cost is covered by the study grant.

    If anyone is interested I provided enough info to google your way to the source of the study and where you sign up. It is starting in a week or so, but I have not seen anywhere that they are done recruiting anyone just yet so might be worth of shot if you live in Toronto or British Columbia.

    I will create a thread for this so I can post the progress and more information for those seeking it. Also I will post some bud shots for you guys to see with their respective and relevant test results.
     
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  6. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    @mikek9

    I am also a member at Beard Bros and ordered a few times.
    Product was always good and worked as it should.
    Some strains were excellent while others in the same price point were only fair.
    I always e mail and ask what is good first and go with their recommendations.
    Never had anything i was disappointed with, just varying quality for the same price.

    Walk in dispensaries are always hit and miss i find.
    Some days i want to buy the whole place and other times i walk out empty handed.

    My issue is i don't order half Oz's so lose out on a lot of deals.
    I prefer to buy 1/8ths of a variety of herb so i have a lot of stock of strains.
    Usually $200 of herb lasts me 3 months or more and that is not even an ounce...LOL!
     
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  7. mikek9

    mikek9 Vapor Enthusiast

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    AND once again, another raid. Last night around 11pm, Eden Dispensary on 760 Queen St was raided and their employees arrested and charged. This is really a disappointment considering the number of charges that have already been thrown out.

    I support both the LP system and brick and mortar retail dispensaries when they are honest, knowledgeable, compassionate and have consistent fire available.

    I am more disappointed because I was participating in their Opiate Substitution program and my access point was that location. They were providing free capsules, analyzed to the highest degree of scrutiny and made into exact dosage gel capsules. These were, with the support of the program and their researches, supposed to over time help to lessen the physical reliance on them for things like my actual pain management issues which is why I take OxyContin/OxyNeo in the first place with a side order of Percocet for the mid day breakthrough pain. This was an opportunity to explore other avenues with financial backing since the capsules were covered, likely by research grants or donated funding as it was in collaboration with UBC, the University of British Columbia which is the recipient of the the highest dollar amount of research funding across Canada.

    Now this feel more personal as I feel that law enforcement due to lack of decriminalization while we wait for legalization to come through are targeting the places that are actually working with me to become healthier and less reliant on more harmful substances to manage my illnesses.

    Lucky too as I had 4g of top shelf I wanted to exchange since I was unhappy with it and managed to finally go yesterday after much delay. Little did I know what was going to happen that very night.

    Stay strong those out there relying on these proprietors to keep us properly medicated. Thanks for putting it all on the line for us. I hope things work out for the better.

    Edit: Weird it's not in the news yet and I got a notice from them being in the Substitution program this morning. Maybe they were the only ones targeted.
     
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  8. theCerberus

    theCerberus Well-Known Member

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    lazylathe Almost there...

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