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Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by mikek9, Aug 10, 2015.

  1. theCerberus

    theCerberus Well-Known Member

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    Please be more polite. You are very condescending and it makes me not want to respond to you, or feel some sort of aggression towards you. I dont think I have much to add other than to be open to what others opinions are, and not to be so arrogant as to think you represent all medical patients just because you are talking to some on social media and reading articles.

    You constantly put words in my mouth and assume I mean things I dont. I simply have exeprience being a patient and trying out LPs. There are certainly NOT dozens of LPs selling to other LPs. Theres a handful. Maybe 4 or 5 I can name on one hand that can produce and sell to the others. I know because I call all these companies when they get approved, and periodically afterwards to see what their deal is.

    They weren't testing at all for these pesticides. That was his point. Now they have a stringent level. before they didnt.


    I call them with my phone, and keep a running spreadsheet. It's not that hard to do. think for a second before you respond. Being condescending isnt helpful.
     
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  2. mikek9

    mikek9 Vapor Enthusiast

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    Don't be offended so easily. I'm just telling it like it is.

    And I mentioned majority of medical patients which can be anything from 60% and above depending on the standard. That's pretty wide reaching. I don't think 40% of medical patients now are the ones scrambling to save the dispensary framework which originated to serve 5000 patients under MMAR nationwide. Now that there are over 100,000 user and growing the majority being older Canadians and baby boomers looking for and able to afford alternative remedies.

    I know this because he very specialist that treats me has been also working at a Hamilton pain clinic associated with dr mark ware and is more informed than most of the internet about the kinds of patients that have been walking through their doors. He told me he spends more time convincing patients that it isn't the black market prohibition era abomination they used to think it was. He basically convinces old folks cannabis is not a drug.

    Those people in his clinic which is one of the biggest in Canada associated with McMaster and pioneered one of the original studies years ago for pain management with cannabis. Their patients are all the type that want to just order it through the mail and want something easy to deal with like their oils or precise dosing caps they are rolling out. Most are never going to smoke. LPs are making a killing off some products.
     
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  3. theCerberus

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    Please just stay on topic, dont attack the poster, attack the topic. if you have to comment on the posters actions, try to be constructive like I'm doing right now.

    There are two groups of patients, ones with no standards other than safety, who just started and just want relief, all the power to them, and the ones who were likely some of the 5000 under MMAR who had knowledge of what quality cannabis and properly phenotyped strains were and used that to their advantage to look and smell out what works for them, and the occasional helpful budtender to steer you in the right direction when they dont have what they are needing. The problem with forcing a mail order system on this second group is it eliminates being able to do those things.

    Then there are recreational users who just want to get high.

    My own opinion is that some illnesses require certain genetics to have relief from their symptoms and for that cannabis to be produced at a very high quality standard that I've seen very few LPs achieve. And some illnesses do not require such specifics and only need a high. these patients will not need any quality standards.

    Let me ask a different question. I used to use king kong, white fire og, g13 haze, and rockstar kush from CALM. Where am I supposed to get these strains under ACMPR? My only legal choice would be to produce them for myself. Something I didnt want to do in the first place, which is why I went to CALM. So then I have to find similar genetics and hope to pick an LP that can produce to the same quality CALM did.

    And yes I understand Health Canada has safety standards, but what good does that do when we find out they arent enforcing some of them... now we can hope they have everything accounted for and they are extra stringent but what we are really putting our faith in is the LP as in reality only a small sample is every tested out of each lot.

    Most of the problems with MMPR still exist in ACMPR. 5 grams is the smallest container any LP sells. You need 0.1 to try out a strain in a vape. You can buy half grams at most dispensaries and spending $5 to try a strain is less of a problem over $50. Lots of LPs promise the highest medical quality and give you schwag, with no remorse, no returns and no refunds.

    My frustration for ACMPR still exists. It's just that I'm happy with Broken Coast and the few strains I know they have that help my symptoms. If they didn't have those in stock, and consistent quality/refunds+returns when they dont, I'd just be right back to dispensaries.
     
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  4. lazylathe

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    I have been picking up some awesome strains from The Farmacy in Hamilton!
    Last score was 10 week Girl Scout Cookies and 10 Week RockStar, some White Russian and George Bush Kush.
    Prices are more than online but at least i get to see, touch, smell and examine the buds before i buy.

    Also want to try out The Chrono one day for their Quads!
     
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  5. mikek9

    mikek9 Vapor Enthusiast

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    I find I still prefer dispensaries that do mail order. I honestly don't really like the atmosphere in most dispensaries as they always seem to be looking over their shoulders while they overtly abuse the rules previous compassion dispensaries followed. Which started with stringent checks and an absolute requirement you were directly referred by a doctor or held an MMAR. Now they are like, "Oh, you have a passport, but it's expired? No problem, we can work with that. I'm not supportive of business that flaunt the rules that previously governed the quiet industry. I refuse to do business with them.

    I first seek out non profits. Currently the only two dispensaries in Canada that get any of my business is either Toronto Compassion Centre or Beard Brothers from the opposite end of the country. I do mail order with both and am consistently happy.

    I believe it's in the non-profit initiative that you end up with more compassionate individuals and dispensaries that aren't after the money because they don't benefit from increased sales directly.

    Even then they were a little grungy but were always more compassion oriented. Check out Beard Bros for some quality mail order and reasonably prices shatter and other concentrates. $45/g for shatter and able to split reach gram in half and get two strains per gram for the same price.

    Firstly they are a non-profit. $220/oz, $115/half and I forget what the price is for a quarter. Also ounces can be split up down to 28 individual grams if you wanted and they had that many strains in stock which is unlikely.

    I have received some of the dankest looking and hitting buds from there on a consistent basis. Some incredibly well grown flower.

    I don't get to see and touch it before I buy, but when you realize it's $60-$80 cheaper per ounce you start to think it might be worth the savings. Only once you know the sort of quality that particular dispensary is offering consistently.

    Sadly many dispensaries pass off poor quality bud as medical grade and that's a total farce. I bought vegan grown pink Kush which was the tip strain I had. It has a faint taste of mothballs when vapes but otherwise you would never detect that when smelling the full jar, just the more dominant notes are there.

    You can certainly judge bud by its looks, but without smelling you can be easily tricked. But very faint barely detectable tastes can be so subtle they don't express it through smell or it is overwhelmed by other stronger odours.

    This was also bud from Canada's first dispensary to be licensed municipally and they have a Canada wide chain. I visited heir bayview location to be so sadly disappointed I don't want to go back.

    Only thing keeping me a member is to be a part of the UBC study partnered with them to examine the effectiveness of cannabinoids in replacing opioids for treatment of chronic pain as well for those facing addiction from illicit used. It is wide open and running for 2-6 months depending on your need. All the cannabis is shipped from BC specially and is separate batches hand selected and sent into the lab for full analysis. This is crucial so they know the cannabinoid and terpene profiles like potency and etc to add to their database to try to narrow down what strains are reported as most effective and etc. It is tested to a high standard like health Canada's current standards. There is no cost to participate in the study which means you just go weekly on a designated day to pick up bud for the week which the cost is covered by the study grant.

    If anyone is interested I provided enough info to google your way to the source of the study and where you sign up. It is starting in a week or so, but I have not seen anywhere that they are done recruiting anyone just yet so might be worth of shot if you live in Toronto or British Columbia.

    I will create a thread for this so I can post the progress and more information for those seeking it. Also I will post some bud shots for you guys to see with their respective and relevant test results.
     
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  6. lazylathe

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    I am also a member at Beard Bros and ordered a few times.
    Product was always good and worked as it should.
    Some strains were excellent while others in the same price point were only fair.
    I always e mail and ask what is good first and go with their recommendations.
    Never had anything i was disappointed with, just varying quality for the same price.

    Walk in dispensaries are always hit and miss i find.
    Some days i want to buy the whole place and other times i walk out empty handed.

    My issue is i don't order half Oz's so lose out on a lot of deals.
    I prefer to buy 1/8ths of a variety of herb so i have a lot of stock of strains.
    Usually $200 of herb lasts me 3 months or more and that is not even an ounce...LOL!
     
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  7. mikek9

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    AND once again, another raid. Last night around 11pm, Eden Dispensary on 760 Queen St was raided and their employees arrested and charged. This is really a disappointment considering the number of charges that have already been thrown out.

    I support both the LP system and brick and mortar retail dispensaries when they are honest, knowledgeable, compassionate and have consistent fire available.

    I am more disappointed because I was participating in their Opiate Substitution program and my access point was that location. They were providing free capsules, analyzed to the highest degree of scrutiny and made into exact dosage gel capsules. These were, with the support of the program and their researches, supposed to over time help to lessen the physical reliance on them for things like my actual pain management issues which is why I take OxyContin/OxyNeo in the first place with a side order of Percocet for the mid day breakthrough pain. This was an opportunity to explore other avenues with financial backing since the capsules were covered, likely by research grants or donated funding as it was in collaboration with UBC, the University of British Columbia which is the recipient of the the highest dollar amount of research funding across Canada.

    Now this feel more personal as I feel that law enforcement due to lack of decriminalization while we wait for legalization to come through are targeting the places that are actually working with me to become healthier and less reliant on more harmful substances to manage my illnesses.

    Lucky too as I had 4g of top shelf I wanted to exchange since I was unhappy with it and managed to finally go yesterday after much delay. Little did I know what was going to happen that very night.

    Stay strong those out there relying on these proprietors to keep us properly medicated. Thanks for putting it all on the line for us. I hope things work out for the better.

    Edit: Weird it's not in the news yet and I got a notice from them being in the Substitution program this morning. Maybe they were the only ones targeted.
     
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  8. theCerberus

    theCerberus Well-Known Member

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  10. Kosherbubba

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    I do not think thes are licenced Producers for medical cannabis. All these places are so called illegal so all you need to do is show up with your drivers licence. Police do not even bother with those type of dispenseries anymore. I have been to a few and and one point I thought they require a medical licence. The do not. some of the clinics here you got is a referall service to get medical MJ from a doctor or nurse practitioner.

    Your best bet to order weed in Cannada without a medical licence is https://herbaldispatch.com/

    you can order your cannabis online. But remember theses places are still illegal in canada but I don't think you will see helicopters around your house if you order since legalization in Canada is soon to be here. But like alway be careful.
     
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  11. theCerberus

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    Hell yea they aren't. Dispensaries have been around since the 90's. This isn't the Canadian Licensed Producer thread though we tend to get derailed and talk about them.

    Here is that thread:
    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/canadian-licensed-producers.18986/


    Well that's not true at all.

    A quick look at reddit's TOdispensaries subreddit (a fairly good resource for anyone looking for dispensaries now) will show you plenty of raids.

    Police raid these places every single day because Trudeau and the Mayor John Tory called upon the police to enforce the law.

    It's just not reported on anymore. You have to go to places like the Toronto police services website and look at reports.


    They did, some still do, but most don't anymore. 19+ should be reason enough to get cannabis in 2018.

    That's nice but this isn't a MOM thread. MOM (Mail order Marijuana) is quite risky to the end-user IMO because server logs, banking transactions (which are audited by government regulation) and canada post shipping logs all point to them.

    There's nothing like going into a store and paying cash for cannabis. Quick and simple. dispensaries dont take credit card or interac in store for a reason.

    My opinion of MOMs is that they are probably extremely easy to shut down when the time comes since they aren't on the darkweb or use cryptocurrency (Trudeau's promised harsher enforcement can likely freeze the funds and seize the servers), whereas dispensaries have proven to be very resilient.

    The question is, would they attempt to use bank transactions against end-users? its certainly a possible way to deter black market purchase, and exactly what they did with direct-tv end-user satellite theft.
     
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  12. mikek9

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    Whoa, @Kosherbubba - welcome. Don’t leave yet, let me look over your post and give you a response.

    And in forums, just keep in mind people like things placed in the most appropriate place to maintain the integrity of the site’s ability.

    Like a few side questions here and here peppered in, but when it becomes more of a direct focus it’s better to find a somewhat older thread and continues the discussion or make a new one if there isn’t anything else relevant.
     
  13. Kosherbubba

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    Just wondering when they do the raids do the charge the people buying as well. Or do they not care. And ordering online is o.k. if it is a reputable place. From what I know in our lift.com forum a few people have ordered from herbal dispatch and said they have great products and availability. I like their sample sativa or indica packs. but I have not ordered from them yet. This way you get to know which MJ strain you like. I only wish LPs can do the same but with them you must order 5grams and if you don't like it , well I guess you can mix it with something you do like so not to waste it.

    Actually legal dispensaries witch require doctors prescription only do online orders for people that do not know.
     
  14. theCerberus

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    Speculation is that enforcement will only be seen on end-users after legalization when Trudeau promises harsher enforcement and its hurts his tax dollar (bottom line)


    Easiest enforcement would be a collection of audited bank records. This was done to end-users in the directtv piracy days. 2nd easiest is standing outside a dispensary and arresting those that purchase. Neither of those things have happened but are in the realm of "its certainly possible". In that way they can intimidate those who seek out the black market by making an example out of people.

    At least with a dispensary if you pay cash and get home, you are good.
    If you are there when they are raiding it and decide to arrest you, its really only those people at that point in time. Unlucky but less worrisome.

    With MOMs every purchase from their inception may be tracked through auditing. They would have literally databases full of customer information and purchases, all the evidence they need. They could sit back, kick their feet up, and send auto-generated letters out to all these people that they have a court date at the click of a button. All the information is there.

    um no those are called LPs. all dispensaries are illegal.

    Brick and mortar dispensaries that require prescription still exist. CALM being one of them.
     
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  15. Kosherbubba

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    Did not know that LPs have brick and mortor dispensaries. Are there any in Toronto. Med relief is in markham and even though I can get there only online orders. It would be nice to do a walk in. Tweed has clinics but they do not sell face to face.
     
  16. theCerberus

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    No. I think where we are getting confused is the use of the word "dispensary" vs "LP"


    Dispensaries are all illegal currently.
    Some dispensaries require perscriptions some dont.
    Some are Mail Order Marijuana: Which is refered to as MOM. Some are brick and mortar.


    LP's on the other hand are legal, require a prescription to join and are mail order only. They are neither dispensary nor MOM. They are a Health Canada creation. They have to follow strict regulations.
     
  17. lazylathe

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    Easiest way to locate a walk-in is Weedmaps.
     
  18. Kosherbubba

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    Yes dispensaries are illegal, and if they require a prescription its still illegal but maybe their way ofv getting less in trouble.?? Licenced producers are have applied for a license through health Canada to grow and sell to medical mj patients.and they charge tax on their products. They can only sell and deliver to your door via Canada post or puralator.. no brick and mortar at all. Example are tilray, med relief, emblem, organigram, aphria, tweed main street, broken coast, if you visit atvtheirvwebsite they have acmpr standards. So for now all u need to do is pick an lp and download medical document, go to your doctor if not their are many cannabis clinics around some of them can do skypevprescriptions.


    Although in future i hope Lps eventually will sell a sample kit like some dispenseries , othereisevu might be wasting 40 to 80 bucks of product.
     
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  19. mikek9

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    @Kosherbubba herbaldispatch is overpriced, has mid quality flower at best from what I have seen a friend order. They sell concentrates but they are so ridiculous.

    If anyone haven’t figured it out, the best thing to do is register with the concentrate maker themselves as many of them sell direct ro medical patients. This $65-110 concentrates become $35-$70/gram for the best out there. Plus to make potent shatter or whatever you need potent buds and many sell their buds too and oftentimes they are knock out phenoms.

    For MOM, the hot one right now is https://www.buds2go.ca/ which is newer, but has a fairly extensive inventory, actually reasonable prices and quantity discounts. They ship free express post for any order over $100 where many places it’s $200-$300 for free shipping if at all. They are just a 19+ story, but if your a medical patient and on disability or even just moderate income you can get up to 20% off on top of whatever he sale prices or whatever.

    Honestly, MOM or Brick and Mortar Dispensaries both keep track of things. You also say Hi to the camera which they obviously keep logged somewhere for some reason. That could be accessed much easier than an encrypted off site database that both dispensaries and any sensible MOM would use. Your risk, IMO, using mail order or going to a dispensary. I mean you think CALM’s first few raids with systems full of patient pictures aren’t sitting in some evidence locker somewhere? Likely even the camera’s footage from the past few weeks.

    Oh, and there is no charge in the criminal code for attempting to procure drugs like there is in the states. That’s why you should ever worry if you have a valid license. Nobody has ever been arrested as a customer or eventually let go without charge for being in the store to buy cannabis.

    And you see worries about bank transactions, 80% of the people I see in dispensaries use debit. And for your next point:

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    Dispensaries have been resilient, but they have still been shut down multiple times and lose lots of money and then lose more money restocking to open again. Then they end up like the Emery’s who even with their political presence they are not forbidden from working in the cannabis industry. Oh and they were almost in jail for a few weeks. Never seen a MOM get publicly charged, shut down and prosecuted. You say you like brick and mortar but you think drug dealers didn’t think of that already? They didn’t do it because it’s called heat score. Ones convenience is another’s prison term.

    Umm, actually they do take credit card. Go on weedmaps, filter and there is a credit card option. You’d be surprised how many cannabis purchases MasterCard has facilitated. MMJ+ chain of dispensaries from Vancouver took credit card - though it did say mikes bake shop - it actually helps cover you as much as them.
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  20. theCerberus

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    yes, now we are on the same page.

    CALM specifically no. it filled a gap when LPs did not exist. kept patients as numbers instead of names and kept their medical patients files offsite. the police had very little on the patients. and wouldnt likely persue anyone medical anyways. besides they only took cash as well!



    really? money laundering? you just admitted they are doing that. maybe not such a great idea to say that in an open forum.

    i'm not saying this enforcement will happen until after legalization.
    however;
    leave a trace and Trudeau's promised harsher enforcement for those selling outside the system can be enforced upon you.

    No canadian bank will work with a dispensary so all those must be money laundering as well. all the original 9 dispensaries you, yourself posted at the beginning of this thread, if they are even still around do not accept anything but cash.

    You live in a naive world. One day the hammer will come down on these people and it will be sad. guaranteed one of the tools they use will be auditing the banking system for harsher enforcement of those who sell outside the law. its very easy to produce a list of people with names and address, and purchase amounts which is why they will do it.

    matching peoples faces to security camera footage and all that jazz isnt easy. its not easy to get medical records that are stored offsite. its not easy to wade through physical paperwork even when you get them and digitize the information. maybe its easy for hollywood and you are watching too many movies.

    Source: https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/marijuana/
    End-users have rarely been targeted in Canada in the past and the only thing I can draw parallels to is direct-tv piracy from a number of years back which was enforced by credit card and debit audits of the companies who sold piracy hardware.

    All I'm doing is giving a warning of what is POSSIBLY to come. Do with it what you will.
     
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  21. lazylathe

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    Pacifico Life in Hamiton has been accepting credit card payments for the last 6 months. They only take registered patients with Health Canada paperwork.

    EDIT: Just checked my banking and it comes up as "Pacifico Life". Seems like they are not hiding anything.
     
  22. Kosherbubba

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    looks like they want to protect themselves but it seems its more a clinic to get a prescription - don't see anywhere in link where I can buy cannabis.
     
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  23. theCerberus

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    sounds like a brick and mortar dispensary masquerading as an information centre. thats probably what they told the bank.

    anyways, money laundering is just one angle, whether or not it will be used is up to law enforcement and those who instruct them. even if they explicitly are a dispensary, i expect no action against anyone through financial means until AFTER legalization when the promised stricter enforcement of those who sell outside the law comes into force.
     
  24. mikek9

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    Point is dude you were mistaken, you can call it money laundering all day, but the TOPIC was simply about whether dispensaries accept Credit Card which you clearly said they don’t. Is smoke and mirrors to start talking about money laundering this or that. They are also illegally selling cannabis so what’s your point?

    Me saying MMJ+ takes credit card is as far from a faux pas as you can imagine. It’s called Weedmaps which has a filter for credit card acceptance. It’s a narrow list, but it’s still a list making your assertion they don’t take credit cards incorrect.

    Again, don’t bother with the money laundering. I’m not laundering money making a purchase and in good fair giving my cc to the cashier and they process I leave. If there is any money “laundering” happening it has nothing to do with me, I didn’t know, you can’t convict without proof of intent?

    Lastly, you think your cash or debit money isn’t also being laundering? The purpose of laundering is to provide a clean source of revenue as you can’t explain all these random cash deposit, where did it all come from?

    EVEN Cash is Laundered. The CC argument is nonsense. Lol.
     
  25. theCerberus

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    lets just agree to disagree. you've ignored my main point from the start. stricter enforcement for those who sell outside the law. i'm just trying to inform.


    everyone knows cash doesnt leave a trace and credit and debit do. to ignore that fact is to live in fantasy land. credit and debit get audited every day for illegal activities by GOVERNMENT REGULATION.


    I said they dont directly because by law they cant. Go talk to a bank if you dont believe me. You cant honestly believe you could walk into a bank and tell them you are going to open a business for illegal purchases do you? They are selling illegal cannabis openly and that is entirely my point.

    IF the business takes credit and debit all it takes is law enforcement establishing its illegal cannabis. money laundering just adds to how much of a punishment it is. its just one angle to shut a business down. essentially thats worse for the dispensary. NOT YOU AS AN END-USER. you will POSSIBLY be punished for buying cannabis outside the legal system because your banking information with all your personal details will be tied to that transaction, when the time comes for stricter enforcement, not now, do with that information what you want. please stop arguing the same points over and over though. i think this conversation is moot. it cant go any further. you ignore the same points.
     
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