Discontinued ThermoVape

[OF]

Well vapornation called me back and said no stock. Tried to pitch me a k pen. Took a refund instead. Dangit!!!

Bummer. Sorry for the 'bum steer'........really was "too good to be true".

Nasty part is this came to me in a 'for sale email special' this morning......that is either intentional ("bait and switch", look it up, strictly illegal) or gross incompetence?

Second time I've seen this happen in the past six months, not a growing trend I hope.

Again, sorry to have put folks through the trouble and raise false hopes and all. It was nice while it lasted......

OF

 

[Lookatmeglow]

Well that makes me sad. I was getting ready to pitch my SO the idea and buy it. Too good to be true trend continues.

 

[PPN]

Post a "Want to buy" in the Classifieds, I bet a lot of peoples get one in their vaporizers graveyard!

I get myself a Thermovape Evolution 6V, I love it cause it is efficient, tasty, medicates me well and can offers great clouds BUT the battery life sucks and to milk your bubbler you need a very, very slow and long draw in order to heat enough the core. This technic is difficult and nobody of my friends was able to enjoy it... except me.

 

[fogbank]

I still keep my T1 in my travel case, along with the PA and the wall wart (I've had to replace the wall wart as the cord became frayed after long term use). It is my "backup" vape for traveling, in case my Grasshopper craps out. It is "sterile" in so much as I have disassembled it, cleaned it with ISO, and re-assembled it before packing it in the travel case. I have a bunch of "peripherals" packed away in my garage too (Evolution adapters, HV and LV coils, additional wall warts, etc...). I even have one genuine brand new T1 still in original packaging tucked away (no interest in selling it). As my second vape purchase after the MFLB the T1 still holds a dear place in my heart. I have to disagree with @Shit Snacks somewhat in that I see the Grasshopper as the ultimate evolution of the T1.

To me, the major drawback with the T1 is the tepid performance when using the batteries. That's why the PA is essential for me.

 

[OF]

I still keep my T1 in my travel case, along with the PA and the wall wart (I've had to replace the wall wart as the cord became frayed after long term use). It is my "backup" vape for traveling, in case my Grasshopper craps out. It is "sterile" in so much as I have disassembled it, cleaned it with ISO, and re-assembled it before packing it in the travel case. I have a bunch of "peripherals" packed away in my garage too (Evolution adapters, HV and LV coils, additional wall warts, etc...). I even have one genuine brand new T1 still in original packaging tucked away (no interest in selling it). As my second vape purchase after the MFLB the T1 still holds a dear place in my heart. I have to disagree with @Shit Snacks somewhat in that I see the Grasshopper as the ultimate evolution of the T1.

To me, the major drawback with the T1 is the tepid performance when using the batteries. That's why the PA is essential for me.

Whatta think, guys? I say when the invasion comes we all meet at his house?

OF

 

[Shit Snacks]

I have to disagree with @Shit Snacks somewhat in that I see the Grasshopper as the ultimate evolution of the T1.

To me, the major drawback with the T1 is the tepid performance when using the batteries. That's why the PA is essential for me.

Yeah in many ways it still is, but yeah the batteries' performance (at least its just one and it can also be internally USB charged too) and the heat of the small metal body (mainly the mouthpiece in the hopper). Actually the biggest reason it ended up not being the ultimate evolution I had expected when I first discovered it in February 2014 when I was trying for to get my second vape after the T1 from June 2013 is really performance based. Not that the Grasshopper isn't an effective beast (when working properly), but their vapor quality signatures are noticably different I found.

Aside from the heaters (GH uses something custom thats not coil-like and the other 4 I listed all use steel coils like T1, well steel mesh in Milaana making it more unique too imo) the biggest factor is likely the technology involved. I consider the Grasshopper to be almost fully automatic whereas the other 4 and the T1 are pretty much all full manual (Elevape and Firefly offer a little fancy tech too, but they still require more technique than a Hopper, giving them another distinctive angle among the ones they already have ofcourse). The fully regulated temp control dial and custom heater really do make for something fresh that I like to describe as a Cloud Evo meets Pax.

However I also find the GH powerswitch solution to be more of a problem practically speaking, T1 was great (if only it didn't burn your thumb with extended use or take so much pressure to hold--I actually have a sewn sleeve for mine) and so are these other 4 with their various triggers, except Elevape with its especially unique draw sensor (gotta try a FW4 some day, similar heater with sensor but semi automatic with 4 temp settings). They all work better than T1 and GH in my experience, but everything is always a matter of preference. I find the Grasshopper rather hindered by its pen design personally.

For me hit for hit, one of those four vapes is the best match for a sorta second gen of the T1 when comparing manual useage and vapor performance. I actually find the GH disappointing stock out and about, unlike when I used to take T1 or then Elevape, despite the stealth and automatic nature (haven't been able to share it really bc of body heat and vapor harshness, though manual ones can be very hard to share themselves unfortunately). It's nowhere near as convenient having to carry a separate glass stem (like the Solo I had got to tide me over waiting for GH after T1 before falling prey to serious VAS, even had an Air at one point), but I often find myself trying to make that compromise bc Milaana and MistVape Touch have been the two best vapor experiences to fit my useage having been first trained by the glory of the wonderous Thermovape T1... So I don't know own if you've tried either of those two units yet, but I most definitely have to hiiiiighly recommend you do as a fellow T1 diehard

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

Just snagged 2 brand new og t1's from vapor envy on ebay. Less then $40 each! They have some more tvape stuff listed if anyone is interested Ahhhh the t1! My second vape ever and still can rock it with the best of them!

 

[Cheesequake]

Will any RCR123A batteries work with the thermovape? I noticed on PIU tech specs it says 3.2v for batteries but most of the 123a's I'm finding are 3.7. Does that matter?


Also, for anyone interested PIU lists that they have the TV in stock ready to ship. Let's you add to cart too so idk. $250 with no discounts.

 

[OF]

Will any RCR123A batteries work with the thermovape?

NO!!

IIRC only the lower capacity (600mAh) can supply the needed current, the higher capacity ones (900) have 'better numbers' but can't stand the duty. It may run longer but it won't get hot enough. And the batteries overheat trying?

You really should search back and be sure. I suspect 'RCR1234A' will do it?

OF

 

[Shit Snacks]

Will any RCR123A batteries work with the thermovape? I noticed on PIU tech specs it says 3.2v for batteries but most of the 123a's I'm finding are 3.7. Does that matter?


Also, for anyone interested PIU lists that they have the TV in stock ready to ship. Let's you add to cart too so idk. $250 with no discounts.

Try to get a PA if you can somewhere, best way to get the most out of the T1 in my experience

 

[Cheesequake]

Try to get a PA if you can somewhere, best way to get the most out of the T1 in my experience

Pretty sure there is one coming with it but not positive. I'd like to get some batteries in case it doesn't.

 

[OF]

Pretty sure there is one coming with it but not positive. I'd like to get some batteries in case it doesn't.

Unless you specifically ordered one, it won't. There were very few made, using a custom transformer (110 VAC only). There are alternatives if you're handy like this:

But the parts inside (to make contact) will have to be made and a hole drilled in the bottom of the T1 for the cable/connector. You need 6 Volts at four Amps or more IIRC.

OF

 

[Cheesequake]

Unless you specifically ordered one, it won't. There were very few made, using a custom transformer (110 VAC only). There are alternatives if you're handy like this:

But the parts inside (to make contact) will have to be made and a hole drilled in the bottom of the T1 for the cable/connector. You need 6 Volts at four Amps or more IIRC.

OF

PIU has a TV listing with a tenergy wall adapter, battery charger and car adapter. That's the kit that's coming with mine too. Is that the wall adapter in question?

 

[OF]

PIU has a TV listing with a tenergy wall adapter, battery charger and car adapter. That's the kit that's coming with mine too. Is that the wall adapter in question?

Beats me, they 'dried up' years ago AFAIK. If Randy says it's so, it no doubt is? But while Tenergy made chargers, Tracor made the transformers for the PA as I recall, and IIRC they were single primary? Only works with 110 VAC in.

The one pictured here:
https://www.puffitup.com/Black-ThermoVape-Kit-p/thermovapekitblack.htm

is a wall adapter FOR THE CHARGER, not the unit. The TV PA kit includes a new 'sliding section' where the batteries go with a connector on the bottom and a new outer shell with a hole in the bottom so the PA can plug in somewhere. Again, very few were made. So few, none were made for Cera (why I had to cobble up several attempts.

You can tell us when you get it. Did you research and order the correct RCR123As? I think you'll need them. If you have normal color vision (I don't) you can probably figure out which RCR123A it is since the colors of the 'good' and 'useless' ones are different. The ones in the kit are not likely to be reliable at this point being unused for many years.

Good luck with it, it's a great unit but needs strong batteries, those ones specifically only.

OF

Edit: Here's the full kit for sale used 3.5 years back:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/sold-price-drop-thermovape-t1-kit-plus-ac-adapter.16279/

The PA alone is in the third photo, notice the plug is 'US type', 110 VAC only. And a rare bird at that. I seriously doubt you have one coming.

OF

 

[Cheesequake]

Beats me, they 'dried up' years ago AFAIK. If Randy says it's so, it no doubt is? But while Tenergy made chargers, Tracor made the transformers for the PA as I recall, and IIRC they were single primary? Only works with 110 VAC in.

The one pictured here:
https://www.puffitup.com/Black-ThermoVape-Kit-p/thermovapekitblack.htm

is a wall adapter FOR THE CHARGER, not the unit. The TV PA kit includes a new 'sliding section' where the batteries go with a connector on the bottom and a new outer shell with a hole in the bottom so the PA can plug in somewhere. Again, very few were made. So few, none were made for Cera (why I had to cobble up several attempts.

You can tell us when you get it. Did you research and order the correct RCR123As? I think you'll need them. If you have normal color vision (I don't) you can probably figure out which RCR123A it is since the colors of the 'good' and 'useless' ones are different. The ones in the kit are not likely to be reliable at this point being unused for many years.

Good luck with it, it's a great unit but needs strong batteries, those ones specifically only.

OF

Someone a couple pages back said the 700mah/750mah tenergy batteries were working great so I'll probably give those a try. Will just have to leave the back end unscrewed slightly it sounds like. And it looks like I definitely don't have a PA coming, it's the charger wall adapter.

After 4-5 years with the T1, 3 out of my original 6 batteries that came with the unit has finally died. Since 1 set wasn't enough power for me to fully medicate I decided to get new LiFePO4 batteries from Tenergy. After some research I've notice they're two versions, one being 450mAh and the other being 750mAh. I went for the 750mAh and like incandenza said, "the negative side is now slightly raised which makes the batteries longer by a few millimeters". After some use and having the new batteries bang together in the original battery traveling tube, I've notice a slight inwards dent on the negative side of the battery caused by the positive side of another battery, that slight dent made it fit perfectly, now I can fully screw it down without having it worry that the coil might go off.


As for the new 750mAh batteries. They're AWESOME!!! I get around 3-4 bowls with 8-11 long rips of each bowl (with water attachment). Nice thick dense hits and heat up time is like 3 seconds max. Anything longer than that then you'll notice charring. I love my T1 this thing is practically bullet proof. Everything is still original from when I first got it back in 2011-2012

 

[Pipes]

Hillbilly PA for TV.
Official TV power supply WSU060-4000
+ a BNC Female to PL259 male adapter. This will go inside the tube allowing you to push up against the upper contact. The 90 degree looks good.
You just need to find a way to connect the supply to the BNC. Maybe something along these lines but would need to watch out if it can take the current. Hard to tell.
At least there is not hole drilling involved.
Good luck!

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

250 for a t1?

 

[Cheesequake]

250 for a t1?

I have a feeling it isn't actually in stock....

 

[OF]

250 for a t1?

That's what it looks like. Mind, this is the SV (six Volt) version, not the standard one that runs on one 17650 Li-ion. The only practical way to run it is RCR123As for most folks, a system that was not popular 'in the day'.

Still, IMO a great product, if you're prepared to deal with it on those terms.

I have a feeling it isn't actually in stock....

I doubt that, Randy's a careful sort. Notice it's the only TV stuff listed on PIU?

OF

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

I was lucky enough to snag 2 of the last ones of eBay bout a year ago. $65 and $50. Worth their weight in gold.

 

[Cheesequake]

I'm having a lot of trouble finding batteries. It seems I'm going to be stuck with the low capacity 400mah Tenergy's unless I can find something different. Tenergy used to make 3.0v 750mah but I guess discontinued them. I've found higher capacity ones but they're all listed at 3.7v not 3.0. Are the batteries listed as 3.7v RCR123a actually different than the ones listed at 3.0v RCR123a? Would using the 3.7v damage the TV?

Edit:
Probably gonna end up going with these unless someone has a better suggestion:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Combo-10pc...267842?hash=item4665c74102:g:Ac0AAOSwUchaJWxU

(I know buying batteries on ebay usually isn't a good idea and normally I would't, but Amazon is the only other place I could find them on and from what I understand when it comes to batteries they're no better.)

 

[OF]

I'm having a lot of trouble finding batteries. It seems I'm going to be stuck with the low capacity 400mah Tenergy's unless I can find something different. Tenergy used to make 3.0v 750mah but I guess discontinued them. I've found higher capacity ones but they're all listed at 3.7v not 3.0. Are the batteries listed as 3.7v RCR123a actually different than the ones listed at 3.0v RCR123a? Would using the 3.7v damage the TV?

Yes. They are very different, even dangerously so. The ones you need are quite special as I said. Do not use 3.7 Volt which are an entirely different chemistry (Li-ion rather than LiFePO4s). They charge to 4.2 Volts, two will put 8.4 on the six Volt heater and burn it out. The LiFePO4 is a high performance unit intended to deliver extreme power levels for short times. They are used in drones and RH Helicopters for instance. Most CR123A cells (the disposable 'high tech flashlight and camera batteries' being replaced with rechargables) aren't even close in flat out power delivery (which is why they don't work in T1 but did work fine in other TV vapes intended for 'juice' and running at lower power levels.

It has to be that chemistry (therefore 3.0 Volts) and use only the official version which I think is this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-RCR123A-Rechargeable-Protected-Batteries/dp/B002UEE7SU

Again, the color I think confirms the model? Others 'in the line' will not be up to the power delivery needed, they are intended for less demanding (lower rate) duty. For sure avoid Li-ions. Freshly charged two of them deliver a bit more than TWICE THE POWER SPECIFIED (probably blowing the only heater available) and their performance will degrade rapidly as they discharge (unlike LiFePO4s which are very constant in output voltage over the cycle.

Capacity alone, or chemistry for that matter, isn't a reliable guide. You need that exact one to be sure.

Soon you should have some samples to compare to. And once again there were several discussions about what works and what doesn't in the past.

Regards,

OF

 

[Shit Snacks]

PIU has a TV listing with a tenergy wall adapter, battery charger and car adapter. That's the kit that's coming with mine too. Is that the wall adapter in question?

No it does not come with the PA. I'm not sure if there's any place to find them easily but you could post in the classifieds if someone has one lying around. I think I'm member here made one aside from the one from the company that I have, but yeah rarer than the T1 itself. Definitely worth finding one if you can though

 

[Cheesequake]

Yes. They are very different, even dangerously so. The ones you need are quite special as I said. Do not use 3.7 Volt which are an entirely different chemistry (Li-ion rather than LiFePO4s). They charge to 4.2 Volts, two will put 8.4 on the six Volt heater and burn it out. The LiFePO4 is a high performance unit intended to deliver extreme power levels for short times. They are used in drones and RH Helicopters for instance. Most CR123A cells (the disposable 'high tech flashlight and camera batteries' being replaced with rechargables) aren't even close in flat out power delivery (which is why they don't work in T1 but did work fine in other TV vapes intended for 'juice' and running at lower power levels.

It has to be that chemistry (therefore 3.0 Volts) and use only the official version which I think is this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-RCR123A-Rechargeable-Protected-Batteries/dp/B002UEE7SU

Again, the color I think confirms the model? Others 'in the line' will not be up to the power delivery needed, they are intended for less demanding (lower rate) duty. For sure avoid Li-ions. Freshly charged two of them deliver a bit more than TWICE THE POWER SPECIFIED (probably blowing the only heater available) and their performance will degrade rapidly as they discharge (unlike LiFePO4s which are very constant in output voltage over the cycle.

Soon you should have some samples to compare to. And once again there were several discussions about what works and what doesn't in the past.

Regards,

OF

Thanks a lot for the reply. I should've mentioned I saw the ones you linked, but I'm pretty sure they're VERY old stock since they seem to be even more rare than the 400mah 3.0v green ones and most of the reviews say they stop holding a charge extremely quickly. I'm thinking of going with these https://www.ebay.com/itm/Combo-10pc...267842?hash=item4665c74102:g:Ac0AAOSwUchaJWxU

 

[OF]

Thanks a lot for the reply. I should've mentioned I saw the ones you linked, but I'm pretty sure they're VERY old stock since they seem to be even more rare than the 400mah 3.0v green ones and most of the reviews say they stop holding a charge extremely quickly. I'm thinking of going with these https://www.ebay.com/itm/Combo-10pc...267842?hash=item4665c74102:g:Ac0AAOSwUchaJWxU

Your call, I would not. See where it says "(Do not use with Surefire brand flashlights, e-cigarettes, or Arlo Security Cameras)"? That's a huge clue to me. I think they really mean it (how many guys trying to sell you stuff wave you off from buying?). Not up to serious power delivery. Surefire flashlights are big power users (unlike common LED lights) as are e-cigs......which is basically what T1 is, right? Only with T1 you need power for minutes, not seconds. Normal e-cigs have built in cooling periods. We're even more demanding.

I'd contact Tenergy I think, with the exact model number TV used, if you can't sort it out otherwise. Please understand lots of guys tried substituting without success. You asked for advice, you have mine, it's your call.

Good luck with it.

OF