Discontinued ThermoVape

aKa

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Shit Snacks said:
Post a wanted ad in the classifieds, you never know
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Even though I've been a member for more than three years, I haven't been active enough here to be eligible to post in the classified section. That's just the way I am. I'm not going to post useless messages on these forums just to reach the count.

Pipes said:
I can help out with the PA but not the WPA. Not the official unit but a well functional device. Actually, I had it available before TV had one out.
Just shoot me a PM if interested.
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Thanks Pipes. I'm well aware of your homemade PA, and I know it pleased several T1 owners. It unfortunately doesn't have the sleek design of the official one, which is the reason I was looking for one. I also believe it uses an unregulated power adaptor, and I'm not sure it would work on the 230ish V we have here in France. Correct me if I'm wrong, I completely and utterly suck at understanding anything related to electricity.
I appreciate your offer though and I'll consider it if you tell me it could work.. :tup:

Edit : I bought the official one from E-bay, thanks to Vapehunter's link.

VAPEHUNTER said:
Vapor envy still lives on but only on e-bay.
http://m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?sid=vaporenvy&_pgn=1&isRefine=true

He still has the glass mouthpiece too.
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Wow, I just added the glass mouthpiece and the pa (without the ac adaptor) and I get a total of 230 dollars, with shipping and import charges. Almost the double of what I had on their site, and quite a hefty sum I must admit. I' m having second thoughts on this, but I'm afraid others might jump on the occasion and snatch the remaining stock. I wouldn't like to regret it later. Quite a headache ! :hmm:

Thanks for the link though, I searched e-bay for them and didn't find anything ...

Allright, I just took the PA. It's the middle of the night here so I'll wait the morning to tell my wife the insane price I paid for it. :uhoh:
I saw this AC adaptor which should do the trick with it : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WSU060-4000/237-1389-ND/3094915

The mouthpiece is still there for anyone interested. Is there still anyone really interested in those T1 items though ?
 
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Shit Snacks

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Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
ShayWhiteGrow said:
I agree. And though it takes a bit longer to get to vape temp the ceras flavor profile beats both just my opinion. But then again the gh and mi are there too. Time for some head to head comparison:science:

Edit: who knows what batts are kick ass these days that would rock the cera. I have a set of efast 18650's from my apollo. They have the buttontop. Thanks for any input.
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Ah yes, I still want to try the Cera, was always too expensive for me, some day I hope to have the privilege though... To bad your vapestrations will only be in Colorado (Great idea btw! Just saw that. You're a good man... I was just thinking there needs to be a Mary Jay style door to door for vape sampling... We must all be doing that for our friends)

aKa said:
Even though I've been a member for more than three years, I haven't been active enough here to be eligible to post in the classified section. That's just the way I am. I'm not going to post useless messages on these forums just to reach the count.


Thanks Pipes. I'm well aware of your homemade PA, and I know it pleased several T1 owners. It unfortunately doesn't have the sleek design of the official one, which is the reason I was looking for one. I also believe it uses an unregulated power adaptor, and I'm not sure it would work on the 230ish V we have here in France. Correct me if I'm wrong, I completely and utterly suck at understanding anything related to electricity.
I appreciate your offer though and I'll consider it if you tell me it could work.. :tup:

Edit : I bought the official one from E-bay, thanks to Vapehunter's link.



Wow, I just added the glass mouthpiece and the pa (without the ac adaptor) and I get a total of 230 dollars, with shipping and import charges. Almost the double of what I had on their site, and quite a hefty sum I must admit. I' m having second thoughts on this, but I'm afraid others might jump on the occasion and snatch the remaining stock. I wouldn't like to regret it later. Quite a headache ! :hmm:

Thanks for the link though, I searched e-bay for them and didn't find anything ...

Allright, I just took the PA. It's the middle of the night here so I'll wait the morning to tell my wife the insane price I paid for it. :uhoh:
I saw this AC adaptor which should do the trick with it : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WSU060-4000/237-1389-ND/3094915

The mouthpiece is still there for anyone interested. Is there still anyone really interested in those T1 items though ?
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Ah I didn't even know that's how it worked, I guess I had already posted plenty by the time I tried to sell something here... In any case yeah, definitely pricey so you'll have to really weight it out, don't think you'll be in a time crunch selling out wise, not too popular now if it ever was... The risk is if your T1 needs service with more heavy use. Mine actually didn't work when I got my PA, checked with a friend's that worked much much better, so I sent it in for probably one of the last coil rebuilds they ever did under warranty before the company folded. Anyway take your time, make a confident choice, but I will say it's pretty great using the PA, the factory flushness is quite satisfying. I'm not sure the glass mouthpiece is all that useful or necessary though? and for a wpa a delta3d studios SonG will work easily, if that helps price wise at all?
 
OF

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aKa said:
Is 2amps enough for the AC/DC converter ?
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No, you need four Amps minimum. And six Volts is way too high. That much would kill the TV if the supply had enough current capacity.

This is not an easy task. You need an 'oddball' voltage to match the 18650, something very close to 4.0 Volts. And another factor that needs to be considered is the drop in the cord (which lowers the effective voltage at the load), you need heavy wire here, even if it's short. This is a version I cobbled up a couple years back for Cera:
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It uses a (nominal) five Volt 'open frame' supply with adjustable output (something not available in 'wall warts). You can see the adjustment 'pot', the blue thing behind the small LED in the lower left corner of the PCB in the supply. The switch turns the power on (you generally lose that function with PA attempts) which also fixes the 'I wish you didn't have to hold the power on so hard to so long' problem. The cable from the supply up is fat (heavy wire, 16 AWG as I recall) and short (maybe 3 feet?) to avoid drop issues. It did a fair job.

A much better solution IMO is to put a regulator at the load using a 'distributed power regulator' IC. This converts a much easier to deal with '12 VDC at 2 Amps' requirement (easy for a cheap, simple supply) to the needed lower voltage, higher current very close to the load. It looks like this outside:
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Inside it looks like this:
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You can see the regulator in the middle with it's adjustment (which you can reach through the bottom when installed). It works better.

The final version, used an added push button on velcro that went on the outside to power on and off:
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Needless to say, this is getting a bit past 'kitchen table project' level for most. But it shows, I hope, why this is not an easy task. TV and I were 'tossing this around' in the day, but they balked at the 'must have all USA made parts' problem. Because of the way Electronics is these days, no domestic maker makes suitable regulators small enough, that one is a US design but built in Japan.
http://power.murata.com/data/power/okr-t10-w12.pdf

The mechanics were also a problem, I cheated and used a left over PA adapter sleeve TV used in their PA kit for T1. That too would need 'inventing'. The spring provides contact force for the center pin via the bottom and also makes 'ground contact'. The later one is clamped by the end cap and makes 'the ground contact' against the top plate.

There might be US made options today, but I doubt it. Nor is that an issue with most?

This regulator will work (with less current margin) as well, I also experimented with it:
http://power.murata.com/data/power/okx-t5-d12.pdf

"If it was an easy job, we'd have the janitor do it and wouldn't need you".

OF
 
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aKa

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Are we talking about the T1 with the official PA handle made by the Thermovape guys ? That's what I have and the AC converter that came with it didn't seem that fancy ...

My #6002 post is a bit of a jumble because it's 3 successive posts merged together, but the gist of it is that I found (thank you Vapehunter) and bought the official PA handle for the T1 on eBay, but without the AC converter.

That's quite a thorough explanation though, OF. :tup:
 
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aKa said:
Are we talking about the T1 with the official PA handle made by the Thermovape guys ? That's what I have and the AC converter that came with it didn't seem that fancy ...
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You are mistaken. It's quite unique in fact. Basically the only one that will do that job that way I know of, and I know a fair number of them........ TV tried several that 'looked good on paper'. I first got involved when the source of that supply 'dried up' as I recall.

The task is the same on T1 and Cera. I simply converted the prototypes I'd been messing with with T1 to Cera. Slight mechanical changes but no significant electrical ones. As I said, I even used the TV body for the last versions. That came from T1.

Honest, it's not an easy project. You have to supply a 'stiff' (doesn't change with load changes) of a very uncommon voltage (lots of stuff at 3.3 Volts, more at 5.0). This can get messy with 'line losses' getting the power up to the heater from where it's sensed back in the supply at the other end of the cable.

When you flush your toilet and the water pressure in the house drops, it doesn't in the street for basically the same reason.

It can be done, of course, but it takes some horses to do so. Serious horses, IMO, to do it right. If I were you I'd PM Pipes.

Good luck with it.

OF
 
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aKa

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Well that's depressing ... :(

I read somewhere (maybe in this thread) someone recommending that one :
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WSU060-4000/237-1389-ND/3094915

I guess it's not gonna cut it either.

It's weird though that you say it needs heavy wire, while the one TV provided looked (I understand looks can be deceiving) like a regular wall wart with it's long and thin wire.

I'm just not competent enough to build a suitable homemade version. I'll just PM Pipes about it.
 
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Pipes

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@aKa, yes that's the supply TV was selling. WSU-060-4000. The unit runs the T1 a little cooler then the one I made but maybe a good thing now. Also, since your on 220V mains, mine will not work for you as you stated earlier.
Here is a list of suppliers of the officially supplied unit by TV.
 
OF

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Crussell27 said:
So where would one find the best deal on a T1? Plus the concentrate attachment.
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Being out of production for several years, probably your only hope is used.

There never was a "concentrate attachment" for the T1. You can modify the T! to accept either of the two concentrate carts made in the era for other products in the line. Those would be Revolution and DART. Both have 510 threads so many mods will work with them, you don't need a T1 or even an official 'battery'. Be careful here, there were two voltage versions, the 'standard voltage' ones run on two cells at a higher voltage and are much harder to use. They have plain buttons on the connector. You want the low voltage (single cell) version, which has a "L" stamped on the center pin.

Another option is the upgraded version from Cera and Luna. The EO cart is a monster. I can hold a lot, some guys load even an entire gram, and can crank out vapor like you wouldn't believe when driven right. It, however, uses a unique thread based on 3/8-24 threads creating a need for a Cera, Luna, or custom adapter to use other mods. I doubt anyone with working EO carts is likely to sell theirs?

Anyway, I think you want Revolution/DART in low voltage. A search for those terms on this thread could yield much education and good reading. And probably some envy.

Good luck.

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So, what do you make of this?
https://www.vapornation.com/thermovape-vaporizer.html

"Brand new", "latest model", and more over a "Ti Version" that never existed........ Half price ($75) with the code "vape".

What I think we have here is old stock (company hasn't made these guys in 3 years?, hasn't existed for about two....). It's the HV (high voltage) model, the less popular of the two, so 17650s won't work (too low a voltage) nor will 18650 which have the added challenge of being too fat to fit. Still, it's a real TV T1 (they were all nickel plated aluminum except a few brass pieces), the RCR123As are still widely available.

IMO what we have here is a shot at getting a really cool vape for a great price. Not anyone's first choice of models I'm sure, but if it's the genuine article (I can't speak for this vendor), I'd say is a great opportunity not at all likely to ever happen again.

"Get 'em quick before they're all gone"........

OF
 
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Lookatmeglow said:
@OF

Well great minds think alike. I juse made a post about this on reddit. I don't know much about the T1 model though. Do you think it is worth it?
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Absolutely worth it if you're into such stuff. A bit hard to learn, and awkward to drive until you learn it, but once you do it can give astounding performance. I would not bring it up if I thought it was a waste of money. For sure it's going to be the last chance to get on board with a new TV vape.

I'm not so sure that 'great minds' is a given......the Poles have a saying "Fools seldom differ"......don't you think that could explain it as well?

OF
 
Lookatmeglow

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OF said:
Absolutely worth it if you're into such stuff. A bit hard to learn, and awkward to drive until you learn it, but once you do it can give astounding performance. I would not bring it up if I thought it was a waste of money. For sure it's going to be the last chance to get on board with a new TV vape.

I'm not so sure that 'great minds' is a given......the Poles have a saying "Fools seldom differ"......don't you think that could explain it as well?

OF
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I am impressed you knew the second half of the idiom. Not many people I talk to on a daily basis know that. We could both very easily be fools who agree, no denying that.

I'm having a difficult time jumping on this one. I just bought a Ti Glassy and was holding off getting anything new until the MVT.

How much of this is actually convection? Battery life isn't an issue, but it is possible to find replacements for the T1? And is this a more on demand or session unit?
 
Shit Snacks

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Lookatmeglow said:
@OF

Well great minds think alike. I juse made a post about this on reddit. I don't know much about the T1 model though. Do you think it is worth it?
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I got my old T1 from vapornation over 4 years ago now for $120 I think. $75 is a great price, if you can track down a PA this becomes a very convenient plugin vape. The WPA even better allowing you to go crazy through water. It is well made, durable, effective, good vapor quality and no mesh screens which I always loved about it. Only issues are weak battery life (tedious with two too) and the body gets quite hot with extended use (especially where you put your thumb). And ofcourse the classic on demand convection stirring every few hits (and poking through the mouthpiece screen holes with a toothpick -better than a clogged mesh screen imo!)

Though I've found better evolutions of this product since like Elevape, Firefly, Milaana, MistVape Touch (Grasshopper wasn't quite the perfect evolution I had hoped it would be, but close to it in many ways) but Thermovape is still unique and it will remain in my collection even if it's only used on rare occasions (it's been packed up since I moved to Cali last year actually) and I'd still like to try a Cera some day too...

Pure convection on demand too btw, if that wasn't clear. I do think it is phenomenal classic ahead of its time like the original convection mflb in a sense, glad it was my first
 
Lookatmeglow

Lookatmeglow

I seem to have a bad case of VAS
I wasn't able to find a PA or WPA after a quick google search. I'm still strongly considering getting this, even if it is just to have in my collection. A convection mflb sounds like a blast to use. I'm sure I could find a way to attach it to a water piece if need be. $75 is the hard part. Great price, but I did just spend that much on a Ti Glassy. I'm also saving for a MVT.... decisions, decisions, decisions.
 
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OF said:
So, what do you make of this?
https://www.vapornation.com/thermovape-vaporizer.html

"Brand new", "latest model", and more over a "Ti Version" that never existed........ Half price ($75) with the code "vape".

What I think we have here is old stock (company hasn't made these guys in 3 years?, hasn't existed for about two....). It's the HV (high voltage) model, the less popular of the two, so 17650s won't work (too low a voltage) nor will 18650 which have the added challenge of being too fat to fit. Still, it's a real TV T1 (they were all nickel plated aluminum except a few brass pieces), the RCR123As are still widely available.

IMO what we have here is a shot at getting a really cool vape for a great price. Not anyone's first choice of models I'm sure, but if it's the genuine article (I can't speak for this vendor), I'd say is a great opportunity not at all likely to ever happen again.

"Get 'em quick before they're all gone"........

OF
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Well vapornation called me back and said no stock. Tried to pitch me a k pen. Took a refund instead. Dangit!!!:disgust:
 
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