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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by VaporBoxed, Dec 25, 2011.

  1. kingofnull

    kingofnull ace

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    It was hard enough to keep track when all the info was up on TV's website. It must be damn near impossible now-a-days for anyone not familiar. At least until the Cera :)

    People have complained the Window leaks. DART is my favourite with it's little dabber.
     
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  2. Haywood

    Haywood Onward Thru the Fog

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    I prefer the DART, as the windowed version (the original one, the Revolution) had a tendency to have the liquified concentrate seep out the cutout and make things a bit sticky. I have never used a windowed Revo though, just the DART version, so you might want to inquire for more opinions in the Thermovape Revolution for Concentrates thread here. Some types of concentrates may be easier to load into the windowed Revo, but I just use Pure Gold, so you might also ask opinions about this in the other thread I mentioned.

    As far as "the best place" to get a complete kit, I also can't help you as I have always bought all my stuff directly from TET. However, they are no longer making new "Generation 1" stuff anymore, concentrating on the new Cera line, so they only have what's left in stock of the Gen 1 stuff. You could give them a call or send them an email and ask them if they still have the parts to turn your T1 into a DART, and see how much they want for it. I don't know how long retailers will still have remaining stock (and a T1 to DART or T1 to Revo kit is probably not a common item), so you might consider grabbing what you linked to if the call to TET doesn't pan out.
     
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  3. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD

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    Trust me on this one, bro. DART. It's got a built-in dabber, doesn't rely on spinning to open/close. I've noticed in some videos, including TV's, that the window'd Revolutions are harder to turn due to some small oil seepage that dries up when you stop using it. Heat it up for a bit and it all warms up and spins easier. The DART is a bit more simple. Top comes off, dab your goo, place it back in, the goodies are RIGHT ABOVE the ceramic, warm-up, and hit. No need to worry about carrying a dabber around with you if you go out and about, scared to lose it, whatever. Sometimes you get shatter you can sculpt by fingers, sometimes you get oily greasy stuff that smears all over, this isn't a problem for the DART. Just the convenience of having the little dabber there is what sets it apart from the Window'd Rev IMO. I can't speak on the draw restriction, though, as I noticed that the DART has a UFO-style inverted pyramid thing with a bunch of small holes (probably so the oil doesn't go much farther than there if at all, also probably to cool the air/vapors?) I did notice that the DART had a bit more draw resistance than I was expecting, but this didn't prove to be a problem a few weeks later when I got probably the worst migraine of the year for me. Light sensitivity, bulldozer running over the left front of my head, feeling like throwing up, and having to get something done that took almost 2 hours like this, I was able to tolerate taking a few hits whenever possible to at least try to do something for it... finally got done, straight to the waterpipe, then kept going in bed... 3 hours later woke up feeling perfect. I really really would have preferred the easier-to-use DART.

    Maybe if you have the money, get both and experiment! You'll probably like one more and always have a spare around in case anything happens :tup:

    Mine has seen stuff ranging from this waxy Pre98 Bubba Kush...

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    to this "Dabber's Gold" that was basically a shatter at room temperature, but became a mix between gooey and taffy with heat.

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. JPB

    JPB Active Member

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    It's not built right in the electrics, I just got mine, looked at it and it not as good in the control section... Also convection needs long air path over heater coil, also very slow draw til it vapes. Man those batts too small to deliver. Needs better coil tech they know it that's why they sell an upgrade. Ps you will overdischarge the batts, no lvc circuitry! T1 is an old torch with a coil instead of a build a slide switch and that's all... My 250 was wasted. I made one like this but with the provari Pcb and protected batts 18650 types. Works to combustion if set to 6v and vapes at 4.6v one battery. I'll be giving mine away unused for Christmas. I'm working on a revolver setup or magazine for my convention vape build. I needed to make a larger bowl that was my design flaw.. No lathing up new bowl out of stainless steel med grade. My coils is a crimp connection. I'm also working out how to basically make a mini volcano. Use mouth as bag and lungs as pump... It will have resistive draw to allow total vaping of charge. My version was Ecig style, just suck on it and it delivers within 10 seconds, 6 when dry. So now I get lost for a while, sucking my pax or solo or passing a cano bag round whilst I design and build my next convection vape. Sorry for being harsh, but that's the truth bout t1. It will vape good that I know from my builds, but it will cost battery replacement money... It's 1950 tech with modern battery tech, mix bad... That's all folks, till my next version.
     
  5. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your opinions, however they are only opinions, not facts as stated. Many will disagree with them, considering short path convection superior, the coil and related materials state of the art and simple, robust design a plus. We would, naturally point to it's superior performance in customer's hands to support this. It's very hard to argue a design is flawed when it beats the competition in the open market. For instance it's obviously not true "convection needs long air path over heater coil", here's an example?

    I think it's great you're experimenting with designs, but I suggest 'bragging them up' rightly belongs on the DIY thread, not a model specific one even if you start out running that model down?

    OF
     
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  6. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    I found much improvement from the 3.7v version. Not as bad hogging up the battery, better with one cell over stacking, and IMR is a good battery. It wasn't a perfect design but it works if you have a little patience.
     
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  7. JPB

    JPB Active Member

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    I like simplicity, t1 truly is that, no denying it vapes good, coil is ok at 2 ohm, it's the battery setup that worries. I found longer air path allows lower voltage, and helps put pure heat in herbs. No solder used only ceramic and its insulation that really allows low voltage. I like lifepo4 batts, but only big drain capable types, so low voltage allows me to use protected 18650 batteries. Only one cell. The provari Ecig board lets me select volts from2.9 to 6.0 volts on one cell. So I can vape all week on 6 cells.. I vape hard see. This also keeps it compact and I use a 510 Ecig connection, modified provari board to be activated by small auto Ecig battery, put a tube to it and a mouth piece to other end and I can ride my bike and vape, Ecig or herbal. Oh by the way I just finished a battery mod for my t1 which has lvc. I have set that to a high cut off to never go below 70% dod. My t1 is now a flat rectangular box like a pack of smokes, sucking turns it on and it vapes at 7.2v using 2x 18650 cells. One hour later they still register 3.65 volts each. The heat up is almost instant. The t1 tastes good too. So I'm keeping it. How long can I expect the coil to live for? Any one knows? I'll use the tenergy cells for building a work light for my garage. So all is cool. But for the price paid solo or pax was more worthy IMO , my two cents. Vape on I'm going to bed so goodnight
     
  8. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    my cores are all still good, only a few came up with failed coils so far that I am aware of.
     
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  9. bopper

    bopper Well-Known Member

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    But you and most users weren't running them at 7.2v, one would guess. ;)

    Best,

    bopper
     
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  10. chucku

    chucku Charles Urbane

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    Stupid question. I just activated the switch looking into an empty bowl and saw what appeared to be half of the core glowing. Does this mean I need a new or rebuilt core for my T1?
     
  11. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    There should be two heaters that typically cross each other making one easier to see than the other. Both should glow. If it's working normally, both are fine. With one out vaping gets quite hard to do.

    Again, it's hard to see 'end on' sometimes.

    OF
     
  12. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    just wanted to show some love to the LV T1... it's been treating me well tonight. :freak: Cera over there stealing all the thunder...
     
  13. GOATPUSSY

    GOATPUSSY Well-Known Member

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    Haha. Yeah. Been passing all my love to my UD for quite some time now... Have some fun with the mflb when I'm out and about.
    but tonight... Figuring i needed a lit'l more than the LB. Gave a whole lotta love to my SV T1 at a friends' place. He said 'MMMMM... I miss this thing'.
     
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  14. bopper

    bopper Well-Known Member

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    Which would be the appropriate forum to ask about using Persei attachments (hammer, bender and hercules) on a T1 base with, for instance, a pair of 16340 IMR batteries, and a 601 adapter of course?

    Thanks for your help.

    Best,

    bopper
     
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  15. kingofnull

    kingofnull ace

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    Persei attachments require 7.4 Volt.
     
  16. bopper

    bopper Well-Known Member

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    That is why I suggested two 16340 3.7v IMR batteries for 7.4v. I just wanted to avoid posting in the wrong forum and don't have PM privileges yet, so the option of asking a mod for direction was not available.

    The second two numbers in the battery designation are the nominal length, so two 16340 batteries have a combined length of about 68mm long. That is nearly the same length as one 17670, which is the LV option for the previous Thermovape power supply. The Tenergy standard batteries for the T1 are 17mm x 34.5, so two are about 69mm in length. From that we can conclude that batteries from 67mm to 69mm in length should fit in the T1 power supply, if they are 17mm or a bit less in width.

    The Thermovape 501 to M601 adapter allows Omicron or Persei cartridges to be used on Thermovape (or other 510) power supplies, as many on FC have done. I just wondered if anyone had experience using any of the interesting Persei attachments previously mentioned on a Thermovape power supply with suitable batteries for 7.4v. The Persei similarly uses a pair of 18350 IMR 3.7v for 7.4v. Do any of these attachments work on the T1 power supply in my suggested configuration?

    If this stuff should be posted elsewhere, please advise.

    Thanks again.

    Best,

    bopper
     
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  17. Soulhunter

    Soulhunter Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,:) I have ovned a t1 for a year no
    and it never gets used, with my high tollerance I need 2 or 3 bowls to get me medicated. So with all the battery changes and charging it is to much hussle withthis unit for me :) The cera looks nice though. But i wil not be a early adapter this time;)
     
  18. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    I have run D-9 gear @ 7.4v w/ the T1 battery using the 16340's (protected) with no issues. Just have to have a good adapter for the threading.
     
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  19. bopper

    bopper Well-Known Member

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    Thanks jam, I hope that it is ok for me to call you that. Your helpful comments have been much appreciated.

    There was a mention in the Hammer listing that it:

    "Works only with 7.4v and with the Persei bottom tube and a click on click off style button."

    All of the attachments mentioned use the Hammer as heating element, so the requirement for a "click on click off button" gave me pause. Have you used the Hammer, Bender or Hercules cart on a T1 supply? Since the batteries provided with the Persei are IMR and the Hammer listing also states:

    "Requires IMR Batteries",

    I thought that IMR would be the preferable battery chemistry for this application (especially with small 16340 batteries). Was there a reason that you chose protected Li-ion instead of IMR, or was it just a matter of availability?

    Thanks again for your help.

    Best,

    bopper
     
  20. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    I did run the bender/hammer on the 16340s but did not use it long, so I don't know how much life they have to offer. I ended up switching to 6v on the bender I had, it didn't combust as easy at 6v (2x 3.0v lifepo4 750mah)

    I prefer my TV battery over others when using these kind of products, less guess work, just have to be careful for shorts when using threading adapters. If your battery starts getting hot really fast, kill the switch immediately.
     
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  21. bopper

    bopper Well-Known Member

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    Much obliged for the helpful comments. The caution against shorted threading adapters sounds particularly apt. It seems as if we'll have a bit of experimentation to do. :D

    Best,

    bopper
     
  22. mflb_hustler

    mflb_hustler Menny

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    Hey TV heads! I was just here experimenting with my t1 pa with the vriptech glass water adapter and I found a clever way to cough your lungs out even more. This was inspired by pipes dime trick but since I seldom use batteries any more wasnt really interested but I improvised with the red o-ring that comes with glass water adapter. It fits perfectly on the bottom of the PA base. But I only have one (good to know i get some extras with my cera order)so I had to use my standard t1 cap. Regardless After threading on the core I made sure it was glowing. After I loaded up some good quality material I couldnt take more than three hits. :whoa: Im loving my t1 even more than before. :D Im gonna let my Inhalater rest for a little bit. I forgot about the pure tastey vapor the t1/pa produces.

    ~Menny
     
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  23. SameOldTim

    SameOldTim Previously Known as 'ThermoCoreTim' Manufacturer

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    Hey guys!

    Just wanted to let everyone know that weregoing to be out of the office for a few days, we will be back on Thursday to start getting the Cera's together!

    Happy Holidays!
    The Thermovape Team
     
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  24. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    Hempy Holidaze!!
     
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  25. Sleepy96

    Sleepy96 Member

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    I know its been a busy holiday season but I was just wondering out of curiosity if they will even sell the T1 conversion kits that are left over. I talked to them before December and they said it would be on the site soon. Still nothin lol
     

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