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Thermovape Cera (Original thread, closed because of chaos)

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by SameOldTim, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. Tom Funk

    Tom Funk Well-Known Member

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    ThermoVape ARE still supporting their 1st generation products. They will rebuilt non-functioning heater cores for a charge of $10-$15. They are simply not selling their old models any more. This is pretty standard stuff really. Do you expect a car manufacturer to keep offering their old models along side the new ones?

    If it is replacement parts you are talking about, when I emailed TV looking for some parts I hadn't purchased before the new generation they informed me that they didn't have some of these at the moment. This to me implied that they will have these available in the future. I assumed that they were simply focused on the new generation at this time. Perhaps someone from TV can clarify this.

    In any case, the idea that the Cera will be superceeded in 8 months seems pretty implausible to me.

    TF
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  2. Tuck

    Tuck Well-Known Member

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    In April, you'd have said the same thing about the Thermovape Evolution LV.

    Here's the big rub. In September, they announced a new heater core for the Evolution LV that fixed the biggest problems with the Evolution LV. This heater core was in beta but instead of leaving beta, the whole unit is discontinued and you can no longer buy accessories, except for what appears to be remaining stock.
  3. LeTchen

    LeTchen A toute vapeur ! Retailer

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    I think everybody wait for explanation from TET.......
  4. NoddingDonkey

    NoddingDonkey Oil, Glass & I'm a bit of an ass

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    I'm no TET fan boy (Don't own a T1, do own a Persei) but I have to say...what a lame post. If you hate their business model so much, don't buy a Cera. If you insist on hating, announcing your personal life decisions and starting arguments, maybe you should be browsing Facebook not FC. Is it really constructive to flame a product 78 pages in because you're mad that technology advanced too rapidly for your liking? Whether you like it or not, 8 months is a pretty good lifespan for a portable vape, especially 8 months ago. It is a rapidly changing industry still very much in development. I don't think anyone at TET would say the Cera is perfect. But it is the best solution anyone has come up with yet with the information and tech currently available.

    If, in 8 months, my titanium heater core is old tech because you have found a way to harness the power of lasers to vape my oil in a bulletproof glass chamber with solar panels at a retail price point of <$500...well, I sure as fk won't be flaming you for making my Cera obsolete. In fact, I might even be in a hurry to give you more money for figuring out how to harness new technology so rapidly. Those who are less financially capable, might have to skip a generation. Hey, even I don't have an iPhone 5. My contract goes in 2 year cycles and Apple has a habit of releasing a phone every 6 months these days. Clearly people hate this about Apple so much iPhone sales keep going up and up and up.

    You knew what you were buying when you bought your vape Tuck, you didn't buy a contract to remain top of the line for the foreseeable future. That is just silly. If your product works like it did when you bought it, you have and are getting 100% of your money's worth from it. If it has failed in that time, as others have stated, TET will still service it, discontinued or not, for a miniscule fee.

    Sorry to rant...but goddam
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  5. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Touché!!! :haw:

    ps . . . the guy on the right wins :argh:

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  6. TheRobbo

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    The words "massive investment into 9 custom tools just to make the ceramic parts" lead me to believe Noah when he says Cera will look like this for a long time. I know how much it costs to get just one custom machine produced, just design costs would bring a tear to your eye. Plus that its not counting the SS & Ti tools which would more than likely be one of akind as well.

    I'm confidant she will be the same in 8 months.
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  7. SoulCaptivesAreFree

    SoulCaptivesAreFree Hazemaniac

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    Did i miss the LL through water tool video, or was it still not posted yet?
  8. Darb

    Darb Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure everyone on here was waiting with baited breath to see if Tuck was buying a Cera...
    Thanks for the useless info!
  9. Tom Funk

    Tom Funk Well-Known Member

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    I do agree with you that TET should continue to offer the full range of spare parts for the generation 1 stuff. It's easy enough to loose a part and it would be incredibly frustrating to have a vape that you were happy with become non-functional because spare parts were not available. You could get parts 2nd hand of course but I don't think it would be wise of TET to make their customers go through that hassle. As I said though, I'm not sure TET has permanently discontinued production of gen 1 parts. We need further clarification on this. If the continued production of gen 1 parts is for some reason unfeesable for TET, I would think it would be wise of them to offer discounts on the Cera line for the return of gen 1 stuff. This way they would at least be able to offer some 2nd hand parts.

    If the heater core is the only problem to you and you don't already have the beta (HP?) core, I'm sure that TET would reconfigure your core. I don't however agree that this was the only problem with the Evo. It really does seem that the Cera LL is everything that the T1 and Evo were meant to be and more. I can't at all imagine this vape being superceeded anytime soon, so I wouldn't worry about this.

    If you are not so much worried that TET will stop supporting the Cera than you are offended that they (may) have stopped supporting the gen 1 models than I suppose that's fair enough. If your intention is to punish them by not buying a Cera though, you might end up missing out on more than they do.

    TF
  10. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl 200% THC

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    They probably don't have money to make enough switches to sell by themselves, probably keeping all that they can to build as many Ceras as possible to keep up with demand.
  11. Bart

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    Noah has posted several times that they have enough spare parts to service existing owners for any warranty problems for a long time. They may run out of extra accesories but will continue to keep gen 1 functional for as long as we keep using them.
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  12. PB88123

    PB88123 Vaporist

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    ThermoVape talked about long term. The Cera is the vaporizer they will be selling for years. They will also fix up your first gen vaporizer when you want.

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  13. Tweek

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    They mentioned adapters in the future; wouldn't these allow T1, evolution, Dart users to utilize the Cera body/battery? Or would this overload those cores?
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  14. PB88123

    PB88123 Vaporist

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    The latest is that they got a new computer so editing videos won't take so long and they are upgrading their internet for better upload speed. So keep checking http://www.youtube.com/user/ThermoVape/videos?view=0 and it should be any day now.

    Sounds like early next year Cera carts will go on a T1 body with an adapter. That's about all we know right now till an adapter is made and someone tests it.
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  15. Tuck

    Tuck Well-Known Member

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    • Don’t attack products or companies. You can post your opinion, and you can criticize, but posts written to offend are not allowed.
    The Evolution never delivered what was advertised and sits in a drawer, used a dozen times, if that. 2clicker and some other users reported that the beta HP core made the Evolution deliver as advertised. I don't buy beta products but I was waiting for the HP core to finish it's beta. That never seemed to occur and instead the whole unit was discontinued.

    Nothing on their website says they will reconfigure the core, but there website does make sure to mention that they no longer make or sell accessories for the 1st Gen models, which you would assume is the T1. But this also includes the Evolution and the Revolution.

    Now you say car manufacturers stop making old cars when they start making new cars, but that's bullshit. Ford didn't stop making the Mustangs when they started making the Focus.



    If you don't give a shit how a company takes care of previous customers, then go ahead and buy it. This was a PSA. Sorry if I didn't drink the Koolaid on the latest and greatest model. They already fucked me on the last "next big thing" last April.
  16. Bart

    Bart Well-Known Member

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    Good luck trying to fit a 2012 fender on your 96 mustang. Maybe ford will offer you an adapter.
    Thermovape will continue to service older models and if your unhappy with your evo they will recoil it to the hp you feel so cheated out of for ten bucks. I suggest reading before ranting.
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  17. Tweek

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    I think both arguments are valid to a point. Now lets get back to the Cera...show me some skins! :D
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  18. PB88123

    PB88123 Vaporist

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    Could this be it? It should be a 2 piece so we can keep it on while still accessing the bowl.

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  19. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    Thanks PB88123! Noah mentioned something about the top piece engaging glass as well.
  20. OF

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    OK, it's clear to me you and I are using two different definitions (and expectations) here. I use the traditional definition of Beta Testing, not it seems the same as yours? The "new" core had failed Beta Testing long ago. I know, I was part of the test that determined it was going to be too hot (and battery life too short) for most users. You are mistaken. TV offered for interested experimenters several 'special use versions', units you always could have had them make up for you as a custom at nominal cost. You still can, subject to parts availability. Off hand I can't think of another vape maker that will offer this level of support, can you?

    I think "fixed the biggest problems with the Evolution LV" is a matter of opinion, and in fact a minority one...and I was there, I tested cores just like it nearly a year ago and reported them 'too hot for general use' IMO, one it seems was shared by the other Beta Testers at the time. This is one of the things real Beta Testing is used for. I still have two Cera LL cores (one with two marks) for just this sort ow 'what power range should we use?' testing. I've given my report (advice really) but honestly don't know what is shipping. Whatever it is it will be a compromise as well, some will want more, some less.

    Seems to me you cannot buy new MF Launch Tubes, boxes without o-rings or snap covers, Omicron V1s or Solos with ceramic bowls. By your logic Magic Flight, Delta Nine and Solo are to be avoided????

    I'm sorry your concerns will prevent you from enjoying this exciting new product, at least for now. Being one of the very few to have actually used it, I know you're missing a great opportunity. I hope others think your argument through before following suit. Soon, hundreds of new owners will be adding their opinions and experiences to this discussion....that may well change a lot of opinions?

    For now, it seems, for ten bucks you can get your Evolution modified from the Beta tested configuration found to suit the majority of owners best to a custom one that suits you (and arguably a few others) better. Can you name another maker that supports their products in a more customer supportive way? I can't either.

    But make no mistake, no real Beta units were offered for sale. What were offered were Beta versions that were partially successful and might be useful to experienced customers with special wants. HUGE difference.

    OF
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  21. SameOldTim

    SameOldTim Previously Known as 'ThermoCoreTim' Manufacturer

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    Sorry for the delay... Yea both switches will be able to just be screwed in and easily swapped. You have nothing to worry about on that front :)


    Yes the switch stays recessed when its powered on, then returns to flush when turned off. You will have an easy tactical feel weather its on or off.


    We continue to support our old Gen 1 products, if you somehow break one or the core fails you can just send it in and for a nominal charge we can rebuild the core or service the body to get you vaping again. We have enough spare parts to get pretty much any problem resolved entirely.
    Love you man!

    True that!

    Cheers,
    Tim
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  22. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    Thanks for clearing up the cap question for me!! :D
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  23. NoName

    NoName Well-Known Member

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    Hi Jam,

    Remembered that there was a lot of discussion a few pages back (Pages 73-75?) regarding charger/battery requirements for the CERA (and still unanswered??).

    ThermoCarlos (TET): Can you shed some light on this subject?? Inquiring minds want to know (LOL)!!!

    NoName
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  24. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    I actually emailed Tim about this and got an answer yesterday that the xtar should be just fine. Sorry I didn't get back in to update, thanks for the reminder!
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  25. Tweek

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    Did you ask him where your Cera was? :D
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