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Thermovape Cera (Original thread, closed because of chaos)

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by SameOldTim, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Hey, it's a new year. I figured I'd get it out of the way early. I feel better now too......prolly not for the same reason?

    I really don't know. I get too blasted on a couple of hits to find out. I'll try again later. It's got a lot of mass, all it does is really get warm putting out a couple of killer tokes. Serious juju for sure.

    I agree, some will want to upgrade existing gear. I'm resisting the urge to get one more adapter out and try it on my Persei.....or better still my new Iris. Some things you just know are going to work well.....

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  2. jambandphan03

    jambandphan03 Vapor Goddess

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    very cool OF! :tup: I would love to see adapters for the Ultra and T1 body
     
  3. Pipes

    Pipes The guy with the Afterthoughts Accessory Maker

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    Good one OF. Certainly opens many options for other possible power sources.
    Is the diameter the same such that the T1 Delrin would fit?


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    OF has custom CERA pieces before anyone else has a chance to get there hands on it.

    Damn! I only know you from FC and I'm so jealous
     
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  5. OF

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    Thanks. An obvious sort of idea, but it works well. No, the Cera core is the same diameter as the Ultra, the T1 supply (and therefore covers) is bigger. Nothing to say you can't make them smaller, it is a computer controlled machine that makes them after all.

    In that same vein, it should be pretty easy to modify the existing interface pieces to change the connector you'd think?

    OF
     
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  6. Krazzykid

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    That's a very cool mod indeed OF! I agree with the new switch assembly for the previous thermovape models to use the 3/8 interface. I would also love to see a 510-3/8 adapter since I have a nice variable voltage/wattage power supply sitting here that would pair quite nice with LL, EO, & EL carts for fine tuning. It would also allow me to supply them with constant voltage that won't sag as the battery drains down.
     
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    Very true. I agree but be careful with your day dreams here, remember we're talking 14 Watts nominally. That means over 3.5 Amps, well past what most VV heads can deal with. A one Ohm load looks like a short circuit to such guys that are intended to work only to 1.5 Ohms, they tilt out. Some gracefully (limit at maximum power allowed) some 'fold back' (go to low power protect mode). Even 15 Watt heads (like one of mine) are in trouble current wise. EL carts, at more like ten Watts, are probably good.

    Another adapter that I'd like to see is m601 to Cera so you can use the new D9 Iris or Persei opening up whole new worlds to those folks.

    And maybe, just maybe, when the dust settles we can get TV to experiment with a semi custom higer voltage heater? If we can get that 14 Watts at higher voltage and lower current we might be in business with more VV heads. Not an easy thing to do, but they can do it I think.....

    OF
     
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    I agree with you that some devices probably won't handle it. The one I am talking about is good all the way down to 1.2ohm max of 5 amps and adjustable all the way to 15 watts.
    I don't care as much about adjusting the voltage as I care about keeping the voltage constant for the life of the battery, providing me with a consistent vape experience.

    I do plan to get the full Cera, but I would also like to use my full arsenal of devices. This was a selling point of the early Cera discussions as I recall?

    Edit: Is the 14 watt core calculated with the fresh charge of 4.2v, or the nominal 3.7v? If that core is 1ohm then I don't think even the iris will be able to handle it?
     
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  9. Pipes

    Pipes The guy with the Afterthoughts Accessory Maker

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    OF, is the iris a push on, push again off "soft switch" kind of thing?

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  10. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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    Not sure if this helps , but d9 iris top is good for 30 amps ,according to G
     
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  11. OF

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    That is my point. You're inside five Amps, and barely inside the power limit but the device isn't set up to drive lower resistance loads. Many 'fold back' to some small current level until this is corrected, some will just 'limit out' and give you all they have to offer. It will take some testing to confirm I think.

    I understand (and support) the idea of keeping the performance constant over the battery life, but some vapes (like Omicron) are more sensitive to this than others (like DART and now Cera). By the time you get to convection like in LL Cera or T1 it's even less of an advantage. I can take either side of 'which is better?' on this one. In the end I like simple systems like Cera and the other TV products, but some of the features (like protection and lock out circuits) are nice as well. VV is very nice, sometimes.

    That's TV's rating. I think it's at a nominal 3.7 Volts. In reality it's set by mechanical factors (number of turns of which wire with which lead dress) and then tested to see if it's 'within the window'. One Ohm is a good number to use I'm told for LL and EO, 1.2 or even 1.3 for EL.

    Iris is, I think OK with it. But that too needs testing..... Being as it's designed to drive 30 Watts at 7.4 Volts it's capable of doing half that at half that voltage (same current).....if the programing doesn't lock it out.

    Actually I think that's 30 Watts. 30 Amps at 7.4 Volts is a bunch.......


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  12. Trever

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    30 amps=dead =X that would be one HUGE battery i def would not put anywhere near my mouth =)
     
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  13. Krazzykid

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    Thanks for clearing that up OF. I didn't know the carts had that low of a resistance rating. This is why we like having you around so much!

    I do absolutely love the simplistic factor of the Cera body in the aspect that there are no circuit boards to fry. I wasn't meaning to imply that variable voltage is better than a straight up mechanical, just that they each have their own strong points. Testing is in order though, assuming the device can handle it.

    Maybe in the far off future I will inquire about having a custom core built to be ran at a higher voltage with higher resistance. It is quite possible that once a Cera is in my hands, that idea will just simply be forgotten though.
     
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  14. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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  15. OF

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    First off, you're welcome. Nice to be good for something. I used to be good for nothing......

    Yup, it's low but we need power and one of the ground rules is 'has to use 18650s' and nobody wants to use two when one will do......

    Not to worry about higher resistance heaters, Tim and I had a chat about that a while back and he's on board.....but after the commitments to future owners are squared away. It will also come up if we can get TV to make an upgrade top for T1 owners. I can see a SV version of Cera for those of us with lots of RCR123As......

    Nice as the old stuff is, I bet a month or two from now the word will be out and guys will be clamoring to upgrade to Cera carts......as well they should.

    I never said it wasn't good for five Amps, in fact I'm pretty sure it is. What I said is I think it may be locked out with Cera because the resistance is so low the Iris will assume the normal cart (never under 1.5 or so Ohms) has failed (short circuit) or some other problem is up and 'soft fault'. Like when Persei or Omicron flashes at you instead of powering the cart if there's a fault.

    At say 3 Volts Cera should be 3 Amps for 9 Watts, easy for Iris, if the protection circuit will let Iris drive it.

    And you're welcome too. That seems to be my other function these days.....when I'm not creating confusion I'm trying to clear things up. Life is tough, and then you die.

    OF
     
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  16. Skeena

    Skeena Standing stone faced like a statue.

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    Does anyone know if the batteries come charged, or will we need to do that before enjoying our device?
     
  17. Krazzykid

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    I have no information about this specific case, but my experience with batteries in general is that they may have some charge or even be close to full. It is always good advice to make sure they are fully charged the first time before you start discharging though.
     
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  18. iamn3ko

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    So I know some of the T1 MPs will fit the CEO but will they all work well?

    Like the Smooth Flow or Tru-flow?
     
  19. ogcook

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    I believe they said that with the EO and PG carts that the standard mouthpieces will fit, since the filters are the same size, it shouldn't be an issue.
     
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    Yep it was mentioned a couple of times by Noah I believe that they should all fit and work in the EO and EL carts. If you are wondering how long they will stay moist or how effective they will be, I am not sure anyone has an answer for that at this time.

    I personally think the Cera looks quite nice with an EO and a 510 drip tip in it from the few times we were lucky enough to catch a glimpse.

    Edit: Actually check out this post by Thermovape.
    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/thermovape-cera.7504/page-72#post-309996
    I am not sure if it still holds true or not but they said that every Essential oil or vegetable glycerol kit that was ordered will have a free tru-flow drip tip included in the order for the foreseeable future!
     
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  21. OF

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    Yes, they fit fine and work as always. True Flow doesn't magically pull easier but they definitely fit the hole in the top of the metal carts, in fact my Beta oil cart came with a white plastic drip tip (which is the one in the photo above in fact).

    Since I only hit the oil cart a time or two (not a lot of time to heat up) if I'm not mating to a WP I prefer the drip tip over the Cera cap and MP and think most guys will too after trying both.

    OF
     
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  22. J.D.420

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    Just got update email from TET


    Seems like illuminated switch is no longer an an option and those who ordered one will be refunded the difference. Shame I think the cera would have looked good with the added bling but alas.
     
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  23. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    im sure if/when the Cera is a hit that there will be options in the future.
     
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  24. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    I got the email as well, but didn't preorder ;)
     
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  25. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    Your is fee Q:rofl:
     
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