Who we are: I like to think most of you know me pretty well. I don't smoke anymore. I have been a vapor convert for 2-3 years I think? Maybe a longer. Been vapin (while still smoking too) since 2006 and had tried vapes as early as 2001. My friend : No stranger to vapor, He's been with me on my journey through most of my vapes. He prefers smoking as he's not willing to invest the money into a device. He smokes cigs too so I can kinda see why he doesn't see the benefits from vapor as opposed to smoking. he's still smoking anyways! Tried to convert him, but It just never took. He has a great knack for spotting differences though. I love getting together to do a comparison with him. He has owned a mflb and an omicron. He also borrowed my volcano, SSV and Underdog vapes before. Moving onward! Here are the 2 vaporizers compared! Sublimator(adapt a bong edition w/o the auto shutoff) Owned it since June and been my daily driver till the EVO arrived) pros: - very good extraction at a very quick rate. - Very tasty - Produces "sublimate". My new favourite concentrate! (Solventless extract with "none" of the particulate... very minimal anyways!) - Feels very well built and sturdy. I have had no reliability issues with this one. - Gives me the biggest clouds of any unit I have ever tried! - Can also be used to take dabs! (small to large size dabs. but no "take a dab from the slab" business!) - Hits best with a dry tube (pro/con? you decide) cons: - Seems to go through herbs faster than I do with the evo. - Requires a larger load of herbs to give me the flavour and clouds that I seek. - I feel the sub is a lot less portable, as it takes a long time to cool down (and heat back up) before you can take it places. I wish I had a case for it like I have coming for the evo. Then the sub would be better equipped for travel. that case would have to be pretty heat proof though! - Dimmer switch feels cheaply built and gets in the way during use, because of an awkward placement distance on the cord. A bit of tape to cover the dial and keep it where you set it is a good idea too. I've had my dial move from dragging on the floor. Imo, the dial should be on the handle. - The unit is a tad dangerous ( I have 1 permanent scar and so does my gf (she doesn't even blaze!)) Not to be used around pets that could knock it over either. Also required me to give a safety lesson or just operate the sub for them. (I'm talking about new users.) This vape is serious business and not for the careless. I consider myself a pretty cautious person and I still got hurt. I'd say this is this vapes biggest con. My routine: I have my switch dialed into it's sweet spot marked off with a sharpie (it's one setting that I use for all herbs and I found it's point where I get max vapor without compromising taste too much.) I turn it on, put some tape over the dial so it stays put and let it warm up for a solid 30-45 min before I go to use it. (Apollo and atomizer together in the stand. This is NOT recommended as it's a safety hazard. I made a coil to further secure my atomizer and have not had any troubles. but do this at your own risk) *pics of this are in the sub thread (http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-sublimator-beyond-vaporisation.9708/page-96#post-429315) I use 2 screens. One super fine in the bottom, and a larger one about 1-2 cm above the fine that the herb sits on. I load a moderately large bowl I'd guess at anywhere from 0.15-0.3+ grams per go. I get 1 to 3 tasty hits (depending on the quality of the herbs and their dryness) from this with stirring between hits. then I dump it out.The abv is a golden brown, lighter than the EVO's. The taste is great and the size of the clouds are unparalleled. I find I go through my herbs faster with this vape than any other. I could turn the temp up, but then taste is sacrificed and I don't like that. it also becomes harsher and harsher the hotter you go. you can go to the verge of combustion if you wanted to and this would increase efficiency. There is also a method where you turn the temp up and take smaller hits that are pooched after one hit every time. I tried this method and it worked fairly well, but found I much preferred the more tasty and wasteful method of lower temp, bigger loads. turning the temp up after and finishing the extraction is also an option but the taste is gone at this point... and I don't have tome for all that. if you adjust the temp up you have to wait a good 5 min for it to take effect. Cloud EVO (Had an original ticker back in the day. Loved it. Had this new one about 2 weeks now. We are best friends.) pros: - Uses a glass pathway to isolate the air from any internal parts of the unit. - Very tasty hits given with great clouds, possibly the tastiest I have ever had. (not as large as the sub's by comparison though!) - Also feels very well built. It is light, but strong. - Detachable power cord! Can even be preheated, unplugged and passed around for a min or 2. I don't really like this though, I leave the cord in. - The lights offer a great feedback tool. (I wish the sub could indicate to me it's on besides heat output.) - The turbine hydratube is really nice. It's small and great for travel. It's my fanciest piece of glass now. Hit's really well, I love my turbine effect! but at home, I like my larger 18 inch tall (el'cheapo 420 special) tube as it seems to "milk" better. A volume thing I am sure. - Heats up a lot quicker than the sub can! - Very thorough extraction of the herbs with no need to temp adjustment (I go at noon) - Water filtration seems to improve the experience. It's a bit dry otherwise. cons: - The top half of the unit gets too warm to comfortably hold. after it's been on for a full cycle or longer. - The bottom is a bit awkward to hold because of the power cord and dial being down there in the way of where I want to grab it. Holding it so the cord points away from your hand, and the dial in towards your palm seems to be the best way to hold it I found.. - requires cleaning more often than the sub does. The elb's shine when they are not all gunked up so I clean em (all 10 of em every 3-4 days) it's really easy. My routine: I dial my EVO in at noon and let it warm up. Once the light is green (2-3 min I think?) you can start, but I wait a few more min yet. (probably 5-8 min)I load the ELB about 50% full. With my old cloud ticker, I filled the elb right up! 80-100% full. A 50% load of the ELB by comparison to what I load in the sub is about half the amount I would put in my Sub. I get lighter clouds than the sub gives me, but I find these are tastier than the subs as well. I also get many more than the 1 to 3 rips before I have to dump he bowl. I'd say I get more like 8-12. I dump it out when it's not giving me anymore flavour. It's still giving off thinner vapor however, it just tastes done at this point so I stop.The ABV is a medium to dark coffee grinds colour by now, and it's like powder to dump out.