The Summit by Vapium (Formerly MARK 1)

[OF]

How is the summit+ compared to other vapes in the same price class in terms of vapor quality, taste, battery life and use with smaller amounts?

IMO not a strong suit, not the goal with the device. It's designed for 'grab a quick hit or two on the sly duty. Taste is OK, but it's still a conduction vape with SS vapor path and not easy to keep 'squeaky clean'. Vapor quality can be exceeded by vapes with those design goals (like say Solo or Air).

Battery life, while better now, is still not 'up to par' IMO, again, if that's important to you there are better options.

Being conduction with a wide bowl it doesn't do very well with smaller loads. It's designed, I think, to hold a fair bit (half a gram IIRC) and (very) quickly heat to temperature for a minute or so then cool off for next time. You get 'a lot of sessions' from that load of course, but the taste is in the first hits.

If those are your priorities I suggest more research, this is a specialist tool optimized for other factors at the expense of the ones you cite.

Good luck with your quest.

OF

 

[neverforget711]

How is the summit+ compared to other vapes in the same price class in terms of vapor quality, taste, battery life and use with smaller amounts?

It is a compromise when you put it all together. I would go towards Arizer Air or Flowermate instead.

 

[staticmindNL]

Just ordered an air so.. Thanks anyway

 

[Sungodv]

I get great results with only a fourth or so of a chamber. And the taste is close to a whip vape.
Yeah, the battery could be better, but it's not bad and there is no draw resistance like the Air.

 

[Zingbuddah]

@Sungodv do you have the Summit or the Summit+? I've been getting more sessions than needed before recharge with my Summit+ (6-7)

 

[OyVape]

wanting to buy this one and found a good deal on vape-smart.com. does anybody have any experience with them? service, delivery, warranty and such?

Vape-smart.com is cool in my experience.

 

[BE_Vapologist]

Vapium Summit + Vaporizer (P)Review

QUICK SUMMARY

heating type: conduction vaporizer

materials: dry herb

best features: portability, quick heat-up time, conceilable

needs improvement: needs extensive ABV burn offs (to eliminate robotfart smell), loading and unloading oven can be troublesome

OVERVIEW:

The Summit + is the logical succesor to the Vapium Summit (Mark 1), exterior wise not much has changed , but under the "hood" this has been added: battery life // built in stir pick // splash proof IP54 // smartphone app (will return on this later) // stronger magnet on the mouthpiece // plastic ring added to keep oven lid more firmly in place

REVIEW (after 1 month of use):

After 1 month of use, this is what I can say so far...

BUILD QUALITY: 3,5/5

The vape is well built, doesn't feel cheap, why the 3,5 on 5 you ask then?
Well, in comparison with other vapes I had to do some extensive burn offs on this one untill the taste was "vaporworthy", you do get a sort of robotfartsmell.
I would suggest doing 2/3 ABV burn offs. The oven lid and the mouthpiece do snap satisfying in place, but they do still feel a little bit lose imo, especially the oven lid.
Weighs in at 136 grams, in comparison pax2 is about 90 grams, but still feels good in the hand.
A plus for the summit plus, the built in stirring tool, used this again & again. Vapor path

BATTERY LIFE: 4/5

with 1 hour of charging (via a wall adapter) you got 1 hour of use, in my book, not bad at all, seeing it's size.

VAPOR QUALITY: 3,5/5

The vapor quality isn't bad at all. Do keep in mind I'm talking about the quality after the burn offs, I would compare it with the vapor quality of the Pax 2 (I own one). There are 8 temperature settings to chose from ranging from 330-440F or 160-230C. Best results (with visible vapor) at 375 F

ABV QUALITY: 4/5

ABV quality is very good. This is certainly a fact when stirring ur oven half way trough. Even color on the ABV but a little bit more brownish on the bottom of the oven.

SMARTPHONE APP: 2,5/5

Vapium has included a smartphone app for the Summit plus. You can download this one for Android/OS. In my eyes it's a gimmick as you already have extensive temp range... Also the app is poorly built, crashes, first connects, afterwards doesn't connect.

OVERALL: 3,5/5

For the price range this is a good vape imo (169 dollar), more will follow as I will be updating this review

Thnx for reading take care

 

[swanka]

I just recently got a summit+ after sending in my original summit for repair and there are a few improvements/differences IMO that might be overlooked, or at least I haven't seen them mentioned. This is going to look a little messy since this is sort of stream of conscious thing.

• It now has less edges to break then the first version
  • The reason why I sent it back was due to the magnets on the mouth piece completely braking off and a big crack through the middle of the plastic that surrounds the oven. Never dropped it to my knowledge.
• The fit on the oven lid is looser.
  • The original had a little magnet button that fit into a hole in the oven area that did keep it in place better though it tended to trap material in the hole, but also looked like it would break in time. The plastic that covered the magnet on mine was broken off when I sent it in.
  • The plus comes with a big rubber band to hold the lid on in case you are worried about it coming off.
• The material feels different and my first summit didn't have any robot fart smell.
  • I would bet this is due to the change in materials, or at least I hope that the material is different.
• The summit plus now comes with these really solid looking pucks that sort of remind me of steel wool that are labeled to be used with concentrates.
• The oven lid is now metal, hopefully that will make it more efficient.
• The charging port is now USB-C
  • Which means, at least, that it doesn't matter which way you try to plug it in.
  • If you can find a type c to type c cable it could possibly charge at up to 20 volts with 5 amps versus the regular 5 volts 1.8 amps allowed by the previous standard.
    • I would ask Vapium if this is cool first though.
• I was going to say that I thought it draws harder then the original, but I just adjusted the screen and it might just be the same or better, I'll have to try it out with material in it to see if that fixed it.
• Seems bigger, at least I am pretty sure it's heavier, but that's for obvious reasons.
• According to the manual, not only is the warranty already a year longer then the previous versions single year, supposedly you can get a third year if you register on their site.

OMG, it buzzes when it goes into standby now! At least I am pretty sure, I just had it heat up and go through a cycle and it just buzzed and the go button is now blue!

I just got an Arizer Air and tried it out for the first time yesterday and to be honest, it is a better vape just as a pure vape experience and I think it's quite a bit more efficient, but the summit definitely more pocketable and gets the job done. I should say my original was this way, I haven't actually gone through a sesh with this unit.

While it doesn't come with a wall charger, I am not really upset about it. I never used it when I had the original.

One weird thing that I think that I could do before, but I can't get it to work now is how you start up the vape to use it while plugged in. Now I have to turn it on and then plug it in, seems like before I could start it up while it was plugged in. The result is the same, but just odd. Another thing is that Vapium claims that you can vape plugged in even if you are down to the last light, so long as it is solid. Before, I think you had to be at 50% or something.

Finally, about the battery. According to the manual, it should get an hour. IME with the previous unit, I think that I got maybe 20-30 minutes I think. It's hard to tell since I rarely let it drain all the way. I usually go to the bright orange temp and no higher, so YMMV.

TL;DR: The Summit plus is a better vape than the original in terms of its features for sure. The changes they made make me feel pretty solid that this will last longer then the first unit. How well it actually works remains to be seen. Buy from puffitup.

 

[OF]

• The charging port is now USB-C
  • Which means, at least, that it doesn't matter which way you try to plug it in.
  • If you can find a type c to type c cable it could possibly charge at up to 20 volts with 5 amps versus the regular 5 volts 1.8 amps allowed by the previous standard.

Thanks for the comparison, lots of food for thought there.

I would not, however, put any stock in the above statement. Charging current really has little/noting to do with the source. I usually charge mine from a 3 Amp (potentially) source. It still charges a bit under .8 Amps typically. This rate is set by the charge controller in the Summit provided the source can support it. When plugged into a .5 Amp port, it simply charges slower because of that.

I would definitely stay away from 20 Volts unless you know more than I do. The typical USB charge controller blows up about seven Volts. If it didn't it'd blow up since it has to dissipate all the power drawn from the source that can't be dumped into the battery. At 5 Volts in and 4.2 out that's .8 volts times .8 Amps for a bit over half a Watt (.64). Raise that up to 20 Volts in and it's now 20-4.2 or 15.8 Volts times that same .8 Amps, we now have 12.64 instead, TWENTY TIMES. It was already running hot, this will melt it. At five Amps that becomes nearly 100 Watts inside that poor vape with nowhere to go.

In practice most (but not all) controllers have over temperature shutdown. That won't protect it from blowing up due to too high a Voltage.

It's possible, of course, that they have completely redesigned the charging circuits, but I would not like to be the first guy to test this idea. I'm sure if it is possible to charge the new one faster they will not be keeping that a secret. You know how 'the Suits' (sales guys) love to boast.......

It's nice that the new connector contains four pairs of redundant contacts, the Mico USB has none and can have 'cable problems' (I have one cable that has not trouble elsewhere but unless held just so it won't charge Summit anymore.

Anyway, thanks again. For now I'm too happy with mine to replace it, but.......

OF

 

[swanka]

For those not interested in charging standards, skip to the second quote.

Thanks for the comparison, lots of food for thought there.

I would not, however, put any stock in the above statement. Charging current really has little/noting to do with the source. I usually charge mine from a 3 Amp (potentially) source. It still charges a bit under .8 Amps typically. This rate is set by the charge controller in the Summit provided the source can support it. When plugged into a .5 Amp port, it simply charges slower because of that.

I would definitely stay away from 20 Volts unless you know more than I do. The typical USB charge controller blows up about seven Volts. If it didn't it'd blow up since it has to dissipate all the power drawn from the source that can't be dumped into the battery. At 5 Volts in and 4.2 out that's .8 volts times .8 Amps for a bit over half a Watt (.64). Raise that up to 20 Volts in and it's now 20-4.2 or 15.8 Volts times that same .8 Amps, we now have 12.64 instead, TWENTY TIMES. It was already running hot, this will melt it. At five Amps that becomes nearly 100 Watts inside that poor vape with nowhere to go.

OF

Take this with a grain of salt since the last time I had to deal with electricity this way was about ten years ago and this is based on if they actually end up using the USB-C "Power Delivery" standard for charging. There's also two other versions (of type C) that are 5v 1.5a and another that's 5v 3a that do not fall under the PD standard. If the Summit is currently pulling 800mA at near 5v that's pretty much the extent of the 3.1 standard, which is 5v 900mA. Maybe they figure 5V 800mA is all it can take, or they are just conforming to the standard*. As you pointed out, computers usually don't put out more than 500mA though. I tried to find what the output of a computer that currently has USB-C is and I can't seem to find anything to compare.

I probably don't know more than you, so this is partly me musing about it and partly just digging up info that someone smarter can help understand. I did do some research on charging with USB-C since it is starting to be used with laptops. According to what I found, it looks like there is some sort of built in power management in the standard called, "Power Delivery". The circuitry for power management in the Summit, if using the Type C standard, wouldn't be the usual charging circuitry, but some sort of 'handshake' that tells the power source the Summit's charging needs. I only put the 20V 5A spec in there because it was so huge compared to the previous standard. Though, if what I am reading is correct, it looks like the bottom end on power for the USB-C standard is 7.5 watts. From what you said, The current unit only takes in about 4 watts(?). Obviously the 4 watt figure is still true since it goes from plain usb to usb-c with the current charging cable.

Here's a little thing that I found on this subject, http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5992-1394EN.pdf?id=2741173

There's probably a better source, TI has info on it, but this seems like more plain language.

I also found this, http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...ntent/translations/en.APEC_2016_USB_Power.pdf I didn't really read all that much of it, but it does go over some of the power supply circuitry if it is what I think it is.

*I got to reading around charging these and there are amperage limits for these thing apparently(?). I don't know what kind of battery is in this unit, but a regular 18650 won't take over 1 amp without shortening the life of the battery. Maybe. Does anyone know what battery is in the Summit? If this is true, then all that stuff about type c charging will not apply to the Summit at all.

••Well, after looking at how Li-ion batteries are charged, it looks like the voltage is all that really matters? And that the amperage will affect the charge rate, but not as much as I thought. I may be reading it wrong, but if there are two cells you could use a higher voltage?

TL;DR: I write too much about things that I am just making guesses at. It's fun to fantasize sometimes.

Anyway, thanks again. For now I'm too happy with mine to replace it, but.......

If I were to do it all over again and I had a choice between a $100 mark 1 and the plus at it's current price, I would go for the plus. If my original unit were still good, I probably wouldn't. Then again, I don't really sell things often, but if I sold my original, I'd probably get it. I didn't have any complaints about how well the mark 1 worked in terms of heating up, maintaining temp, etc, it's just that the case didn't hold up.

Oh yeah, I did have a sesh last night and it was pretty good. I started using one of the grinders that I got from PIU and it works really well for the Air since it doesn't grind too fine, not so with the Summit. I had been using a different grinder when I just had the Summit and it seems like I used to get more vapor that way with the Summit then I did yesterday.

That built in stir tool is more awesome than I thought it would be. I used to carry a screw with me and it's a pain in the ass to remember it and it's not great in the pocket either. Also the app did seem gimmicky, but I like that I can see the temps, Previously I ended up vaping at too high of temps since I was looking for cloud-ish exhales and it doesn't usually do this under a certain temp. It isn't difficult to stick to a color, but still, it seems to help me to see the temp for some reason. That boost button is funny though, you could just adjust the temp normally, but if you are in a hurry I guess it might make sense? Another thing about the app that I think that I will end up using is the session timer. It could be a good reminder to stir if I can figure out the right amount of time that takes.

Can anyone explain to me why Vapium put that red rubber seal where the mouthpiece goes into the unit? Obviously it does no harm, but the previous method worked fine for me, no escaped vapor as far as I remember.

As for the suits comment, that is deffo true. My brother in law works in software and you know that running joke in the Dilbert strip about the salespeople selling features that don't exist? It's for real.

 

[OF]

As for the suits comment, that is deffo true. My brother in law works in software and you know that running joke in the Dilbert strip about the salespeople selling features that don't exist? It's for real.

Yep, that's them. I've watched them try to pass off a software fault we couldn't tie down as a feature.......

OF

 

[BE_Vapologist]

Can anyone explain to me why Vapium put that red rubber seal where the mouthpiece goes into the unit? Obviously it does no harm, but the previous method worked fine for me, no escaped vapor as far as I remember.

@swanka to provide an extra seal I suppose... it also bugged me out the first time I saw it, but I've already forgotten about it and it doesn't bother me that much

 

[uhranium]

Yep, that's them. I've watched them try to pass off a software fault we couldn't tie down as a feature.......

OF

can you elaborate?

 

[OF]

can you elaborate?

I suppose I could, but why? It has noting do with the thread directly (not a vape.....) and the product involved is bolted to the bridge on Merchant Ships and the software now is not doubt different, the folks involved dead for all I know. I boarded to swap out software that fixed several problems only to face an upset crew who wanted to know why the 'feature' had been removed.........

The bug was obscure, it had to do with dropping a target in track (when it shouldn't have) 'automatically when the computer (actually 3 X 8080s...) decided it wasn't a threat any longer'. Which was BS, a threat is anything with constant bearing and increasing range, both of which can change with course and speed (the whole idea of tracking). At sea all such things are relative, you're the center of the universe, stuff coming toward you matters, those going the other way (changing bearing) don't matter. Many people you meet are like that. We'd lose tracks 'way out' (15 mile limit) under poor conditions. The fix was to up the sensitivity and make the widow wider and deeper at longer ranges. The unit never was deciding to drop the target, it just lost it. Sales had convinced them the "Lost Target Alarm" indications was a feature......

Hey, they signed off on the unit, he got his commission? A truly 'great salesman', as salesman go.

OF

 

[uhranium]

I was just skimming the thread and thought it was supposed having something to do with Summit.

Thx

 

[Sungodv]

@Sungodv do you have the Summit or the Summit+? I've been getting more sessions than needed before recharge with my Summit+ (6-7)

The updated original with attached USB cover. Still have VAS for the Plus (+). When I do get the Plus, I can give a more detailed comparison before I give the old one to my wife.
The battery is fine for me, just nit picking I guess. We always want longer battery life.
Still amazed how well the Summit works with small amounts and that the taste is good for a portable. I just break up flower with my fingers so it's probably a medium grind.
Never had a bad robot taste either. Had a Hebe I could tell you about though.
The old version must be on to use while charging, it won't turn on when charging so no difference there. Still would like to know if the Plus buzzes when entering standby.
The new MP SS tube goes inside the vapor path whereas the original version MP tube went over the SS tube in the vape, hence the new red rubber O-ring. They must have done this to improve the air flow. Never thought the old one was loose. Maybe the Plus is tighter?
Word has it that Vapium will be commenting here on FC very soon....looking forward to that.

 

[rsqemt911]

Thanks guys. I've heard it can be pretty rugged with Ed's stem, but I haven't used one to confirm.

Ed stems are the best! Super durable and adds a nice taste too.

 

[MartyBigPlume]

Any units returned due to defects yet?

I'm interested in this as an outdoor unit regardless of weather, that is easier to clean than a Titan 2 clone.

 

[rsqemt911]

Any units returned due to defects yet?

I'm interested in this as an outdoor unit regardless of weather, that is easier to clean than a Titan 2 clone.

I just got mine and I'm returning it because it doesn't consistently vibrate the hepatic alert.
Waiting on vaporword to send me the return info.

I'm not super impressed with the draw or vapor production in it either to be honest.
the app is nice though. Gives a lot more customization and control.

 

[MartyBigPlume]

Hmm... Was hoping their 2nd model would do better. I'd like to hear better before putting in the $.

Thanks!

 

[Sungodv]

Was hoping to have Vapium responding to this thread as they stated they would on FB about three weeks back, but apparently they still aren't part of the FC community.

 

[Vapium]

The updated original with attached USB cover. Still have VAS for the Plus (+). When I do get the Plus, I can give a more detailed comparison before I give the old one to my wife.
The battery is fine for me, just nit picking I guess. We always want longer battery life.
Still amazed how well the Summit works with small amounts and that the taste is good for a portable. I just break up flower with my fingers so it's probably a medium grind.
Never had a bad robot taste either. Had a Hebe I could tell you about though.
The old version must be on to use while charging, it won't turn on when charging so no difference there. Still would like to know if the Plus buzzes when entering standby.
The new MP SS tube goes inside the vapor path whereas the original version MP tube went over the SS tube in the vape, hence the new red rubber O-ring. They must have done this to improve the air flow. Never thought the old one was loose. Maybe the Plus is tighter?
Word has it that Vapium will be commenting here on FC very soon....looking forward to that.

Was hoping to have Vapium responding to this thread as they stated they would on FB about three weeks back, but apparently they still aren't part of the FC community.

We apologise for the delay. We are now on and ready for your questions.

 

[Vapium]

@swanka to provide an extra seal I suppose... it also bugged me out the first time I saw it, but I've already forgotten about it and it doesn't bother me that much

The red rubber seal at the mouthpiece end is for the splash proofing.

 

[Vapium]

Thanks for the comparison, lots of food for thought there.

I would not, however, put any stock in the above statement. Charging current really has little/noting to do with the source. I usually charge mine from a 3 Amp (potentially) source. It still charges a bit under .8 Amps typically. This rate is set by the charge controller in the Summit provided the source can support it. When plugged into a .5 Amp port, it simply charges slower because of that.

I would definitely stay away from 20 Volts unless you know more than I do. The typical USB charge controller blows up about seven Volts. If it didn't it'd blow up since it has to dissipate all the power drawn from the source that can't be dumped into the battery. At 5 Volts in and 4.2 out that's .8 volts times .8 Amps for a bit over half a Watt (.64). Raise that up to 20 Volts in and it's now 20-4.2 or 15.8 Volts times that same .8 Amps, we now have 12.64 instead, TWENTY TIMES. It was already running hot, this will melt it. At five Amps that becomes nearly 100 Watts inside that poor vape with nowhere to go.

In practice most (but not all) controllers have over temperature shutdown. That won't protect it from blowing up due to too high a Voltage.

It's possible, of course, that they have completely redesigned the charging circuits, but I would not like to be the first guy to test this idea. I'm sure if it is possible to charge the new one faster they will not be keeping that a secret. You know how 'the Suits' (sales guys) love to boast.......

It's nice that the new connector contains four pairs of redundant contacts, the Mico USB has none and can have 'cable problems' (I have one cable that has not trouble elsewhere but unless held just so it won't charge Summit anymore.

Anyway, thanks again. For now I'm too happy with mine to replace it, but.......

OF

The USB C was utilized in order to facilitate inserting of the charging plug either way. This proved to be more easy for most users.

 

[OF]

The USB C was utilized in order to facilitate inserting of the charging plug either way. This proved to be more easy for most users.

Makes sense, but it limits options for others by not 'sticking with' either of the established standards. The same logic would have covered using the Iphone connector as well.........

If/when USB C becomes a common standard, that changes of course.

Definitely your call, but not one I support from a flexibility POV (which is important to me).

Thanks.

OF