Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by TherealVaporblunt, Jan 22, 2013.
Does this mean you can buy one already?
Just like the vb 2.0, the pinnacle will have a very small 14mm wt option available. I'm lagging on catching u guys up with details. I'm going to edit the first post soon to give more details.
We sold them at the hempcon just to get some units out to create some buzz . They will be for sale on both my site and GV by the end of the month.
Great to hear. What will the price be? Thanks
Excellent, just what I was hoping to hear.
Well, if you started selling it I think this post needs a lot more info.
I sent the edited opening post to Pak, so please stay posted! I tried to cover details the best that I could. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks, TRVB!!!! I feel like I found a golden ticket!!!
It's a bummer I didn't get to meet you at Hempcon; the guys at the booth mentioned that you were there on Friday, but I was still in good hands with the dudes you had holding down the fort.
I was doing my initial lap around the 215 area and knew that the vb folks would be there. On my first pass, there was a good amount of people at the booth checking things out; good sign.
I wasn't in any hurry to jump in; I had all day and already knew what I wanted to check out.
2nd lap- still busy. Nice! I'm not sure how many people snagged one of the vb vapes, but these guys were definitely spreading the word. No worries; still plenty of other booths I wanted to spend time at.
3rd lap- 3 people there, time to approach. I mentioned being a member of FC and they immediately knew what I was talking about.
The original VB, VB 2.0, Palm, and Palm 2.0 were all out on display. And then... there it was- the Pinnacle.
Me: "So, when are these gonna be available for sale?"
VB dude (Sorry, I'm horrible with names, even more so at events such as this.): "Actually, we got them on Friday and decided 'Fuck it, let's put it out there'. You're one of the first few who has the chance to get your hands on this." [I'm paraphrasing.]
I knew that I owed it to my FC brethren to take advantage of this opportunity. They gave me a deal so obscene that I felt like I needed to take a shower when I got home. I'll leave it to TRVB to give the retail price, but I'll say that it's in line with what I expected.
Okay, enough foreplay...
Above: Chamber cap with screen
Above: These are the "chambers" i.e. the bowls where you drop your load (giggidy). You get 2 in the package. I'm no metalsmith, but I think they look pretty nice. It holds about 0.2g.
Above: Here's the heating element. The walls look like they're ss (again, trvb can confirm) but I'm not sure what the floor is made of.
The Pinnacle is pretty damn sexy. 15.5 cm x 2.7 cm x 2.5 cm (w/ mp attached). There are 2 temp settings; according to the quick start guide, low (white light) is around 375 F, high (orange light) is about 390 F. It's a 3 hr charge time from empty.
Round 1: I hit the button once to turn on the Pinnacle and the white light flashes as it warms up. After 38 sec the light turns solid; pretty nice warm up time to reach low temp. I hit the button again to get it to orange, which happens in about 10 sec. Sweet. I sniff the heating element and don't detect anything weird; so far, so good. I shut it down to cool off a bit before our first dance.
o.2 g of Green Crack found its way into one of the chambers. It wasn't tightly packed, just tamped down a bit until the load reached the base of the flare. I dropped it into the heating element, popped on the lid, and then set the Pinnacle to low.
After it reached temp, I took my first hit. Light vapor, great taste, not bad. I sipped it a few more times; again, wispy vapor, nice flavor. I'm not much of a low temp vapist, so I decided it was time to try high. Once the light settled at orange I took a nice, long, slow inhalation; exhale=what I would get from one hit from the 3rd setting on the vb2.
Then I sat back and went on cruise control. I played around with light draws and hard draws, eventually settling into an mflb micro-hit rhythm. I didn't do a hit count, but let's just say that I was puffin' on it until the auto shut-off (10 min). Here's the resulting avb next to unvaped Green Crack:
Nice, even, light brown toast. Looks good for cooking.
I had a decent buzz off the 0.2g, but not quite there yet. (Keep in mind that I have a relatively high tolerance and had been vaping for a large part of the day. )
On to the second chamber! This time I went right to orange. I finally settled on what I would call an "aggressive" micro-hitting rhythm, i.e. I spaced my hits as if I were hitting the LB, but each pull was harder than what I would use with the LB (if that makes any sense ). This produced nice clouds, again equivalent to around a 3 on the vb 2.0.
I hit the VBP (acronym suggestons?) until I eventually had to put it down, well before the auto shut-off. Medicated? Yes. Very much.
Here's the resulting avb from the 2nd lap:
What can I say after this session? Cloud chasers probably won't be satisfied, although if you're willing to milk it ala micro-hits, good clouds are possible. Whether or not you produce dense clouds, rest assured that the VBP medicates.
Astute FC'ers may have noticed what looks like a PonG in a few of the pics. IT IS! It's a male 14mm that fits the VBP like a glove. I wanted to give it a spin on my Mobius, but couldn't find my 18/14 adapter , so I brought out the Vriptech Bub.
Very nice. An even, medium draw produced great results on my first go, similar to what I would get from the LB+WPA. I think with a little more practice it's possible to really get it rolling. I'll also add that I think the learning curve is very forgiving; I really can't imagine combusting with this.
As TRVB mentioned, there will be a WT that pairs with the VBP; from what I gather, it'll be a little less than 50% the height of the current WT's. This could be a game-changer: a VERY portable flower vape with a VERY portable specifically-designed water filtration tool.
Soooooooo, to summarize:
extremely pocket friendly
relatively easy learning curve
capsule/chamber based (I think the vb peeps should consider making a case that snugly holds, say, 4-6 pre-loaded chambers? )
immediate water tool adaptability (14mm)
very portable WT specifically designed for it will be available
damn quick warm-up
low maintenance, like the VB2
folks looking for "monster clouds" probably won't be satisfied
only 2 temp levels
PonG sold separately: as far as I know, like the VB2 the PonG adapter isn't included with the "basic" package (but it would be pretty sweet if it was ); however, the VB guys hooked it up, throwing it into the box for me to try, gratis. Gracias. It might also be cool if an 18mm was available.
the VBP fits a little too snugly into the base; I have to hold the stand in place when I take the VBP off
the chamber cap (the clear piece that connects the body to the mp) was stable, but in this case I wish the fit was a little tighter
Edit: I forgot to mention that there isn't a battery life indicator; once the battery is about to die, the blue light blinks and then it shuts off automatically.
All in all, I think the Pinnacle rocks. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to a friend.
You are now free to shower me with you envy.
Thanks for the detailed post UpUpandAway !
So the pinnacle uses the same idea as the INH004 with the removable capsules but here you have two parts, the mouthpiece that also is the top screen and the capsule. Do you know if they add another mouthpiece in the package? Or if they will offer them as extra's? So you can switch them when you are cleaning/soaking the other mouthpiece.
Aw man... you had to go and do it. I live vicariously though you, Up, if only for a few weeks
I think a nice layer of kief will be perfect for a 1 load-ko. Curious to see how it handles bubble hash... I'm assuming a sufficient layer at the bottom screen end.
Depending on the price, Maybe I will be interested in buying this. It seems like a really discrete vape to use out of home Waiting for the edit in the original post!
The opening post has been updated. This thing has some really nice features.
From the description it's primarily convection but it looks like the Bullet heats up so there could be some conduction there too. How quickly do the Bullets cool down? I'm wondering about how long you have to wait before you can swap one out. How much is the load cooked between hits? Also, how long does the battery last? How long does it take to charge? Can I replace the battery easily? Which battery is it?
The two temperatures are 190°C and 196°C, which aren't far apart. Unlike UpUpandAway (nice review, thanks) I don't consider 190°C low temperature; in fact it's about the highest temperature I'd use with my Extreme. I'd have liked a lower low setting, say 165°C (330°F). $219 is a good price point, below the Inhalater and Pax, which are the devices people will compare this to I think.
About the temperatures I think like pakalolo, something like 175/180ºC for the first and 190/195ºC for the second would be better. Right now they're almost the same. I thought the price range will be somewhere in the 150$-200$ range (more in the 150$, maybe too cheap) so I'm not fully disappointed about it, but 200$ would be the perfect price range (any discount for pre-orders/FC members?) You have to keep in mind that just for 30$ more you can have a VB 2.0 that has more options like better battery and the chance to use oils.
It seems like a very discrete vape for the herb users, a really good candidate for a one hitter for when you're on the go. You just take your bullets and your Pinacle and ready for some vaping. You have my attention now!
Have you improved the battery life? I'm sure that if we got a first temperature at 175/180ºC that will helps
We argued about temp for a long time. There will be what's known as "The Pinnacle Pro" that will be out around May. That unit will have five temp setting and we will definatly go lower, but with only 2 settings to play with it's hard to make everyone happy. I happen to agree with your suggested temps, but to many people thought it wasn't working on level 1 (ROOKIES!!)
I know that people will ask the difference between the Pinnacle and the VB 2.0, and ultimately question why they would buy 1 or the other so I will point out a few differences. The 2.0 has a feature for essential oils, the Pinnacle is flower only. The 2.0 has twice the amount of battery power, which equates to longer use time. The 2.0 also has 5 heat settings, Pinnacle has just 2. The 2.0 can be used as conduction or convection, the Pinnacle is convection only. To be honest, other than the fact they are both produced from the same manufacturer, they have very few similarities.
I think most companies would wait to release this unit. The fear is that the smaller Pinnacle will steal the shine from the VB 2.0, that it will confuse the customer by giving the impression the 2.0 is old technology. The facts are that we designed the 2.0 and the Pinnacle at the same time, I personally wanted to launch them both at the same time but ultamitly we decided to stagger the launches slightly. Next week at the vegas shows we are launching both and most people will see them for the first time at these shows. I believe the customer is smarter than ever, too many companies treat the costumer like a child. You have to be 18 to buy my products, therefore I believe an adult can make their own decision on what device they wish to vape from. It's my job to create the art, it's up to you which piece of art connects with you.
Thanks for your answers TV, what about the battery life? Any improvements or will be just 40 min?
i can't wait to see the new mini water tool that goes with this.
any idea when that will be unveiled ?
How would you compare the flavor between the Pinnacle and VB 2.0?
TRVB you have to stop doing that. First, I wanted the vb2.0 than you mentioned the Pinnacle now its a pro version you guys should offer a upgrade program like delta vapes.
I'm sorry, I'm out of my mind!!!! I can't stop making new toys!!!
If you look through the vb 2.0 thread I asked FC's opinion on weather I should even make the pinnacle or if I should just make the pro. The opinion was that having a simple and cost effective as well as a super duper expensive version.
Love the looks of this device. Really like the use of the basket. AVB came out nice as well in those photos.
When just going with two temps, I usually shoot for 190 and 220
Now that sticks has joined the convo this is a good time to say, I have chosen him, the convection vape specialist, as a tester for this unit. Mr. Stickstones will be the one and only tester for this unit. The reasoning behind only having 1 tester is these are finished units,, not proto types and I am a little tight on money now a days with this whole "invent a new vape every 2 months" concept I have going lately
As we all know, he is a convection expert and his opinion is always respected. He will have it in two days, and for once I
Not nervous because I know the Pinnacle will impress. Enjoy!
now you've got me blushing. I'm honored you would send me the only one...I'll do my best to fully expose it. I guess this means I'll have to break out the camera...
thank you for your generous review. I would like to ask you two things:
- battery life
- comparison of vapor quality to others vapes; I see you compare it to VB 2, but I dont know it. I see in your signature that you own pax, solo, inh ... I'd be grateful If you could make a short comparison between them.
Thank you in advance!!
Man...We have so much CHOICE. I love the idea of the water tool and that it has a 14mm stock fit. The price is a little higher than i expected though. Let's see, it might be worth it!
Edit: Whoa!! Looks awesome.
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