Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by EverythingsHazy, Mar 18, 2017.
Fuck yeah @GreenHopper! Go Go Go!
Look into cannabimimetics... food sources that act on the same biochemical pathways that cannabis does... cannabimimetics are not thc so no worry of piss testing etc...in other words, you may be able to keep your cb receptors firing without cannabis
Good day man. I have payed interest to your info on this subject. For years I have used oil of oregano to manage my respiratory symptoms and infections, and I have always sworn that it immediately enhances my cannabis high!
And from looking into cannabimimetics from seeimg your posts, oregan is indeed one, I have seen.
I havent been using much black pepper at all for years as I use tons of cayenne every day for respiratory mucus- with every meal. I have wondered if cayenne is also a cannabimimetic?
I hope so, it is possible surely, just not established or documented possibly.
cayenne, it's actually not a cannabimimetic and acts on the opioid receptors instead of the ECS receptors..Humulene from Hops is one and cinnamon, echicnacea, oregano etc... but whole black peppercorn seems to be the best cannabimimetic to use because of the high amount of beta caryophyllene and piperene in there... using turmeric too with it increases properties...
of note- we are not really decarboxylating cannabimimetics with heat so the effects will be on par with raw cannabis cannabinoids for the most part as anti-inflammatory etc... new fascinating research is what cannabimimetic compounds to decarboxylate to possibly make more active...
Thank you for expanding and providing more insight. Yes tons of cinnamon and turmeric daily here as well, super medicinal powerhouses! And black pepper I am well aware is recommended to be taken alongside turmeric to increase it's absorption, as well as fat with turmeric being important as it is fat soluble.
So you have also put another idea forward, that turmeric may play a beneficial role in how our bodies can use the cannabimimetic property of black pepper? No headlines on that one so far, but wait a few years maybe.
So if I heated my cinammon, turmeric, black pepper- its properties in terms of how it functions as a cannabimimetic may alter somehow?
Interesting and I wonder how that plays into this concept of using cannabimimetics in the way you have bedn proposing? Research coming hooefully!
However, I cant really see cinammon, turmeric or oregano losing their anti- inflammatory properties when heated, like cannabis which does become markedly less anti-inflammatory, and medicinal unfortunately, when heated.
So I'm not sure that the exact same rules and principles will apply regarding decarboxylation, but it will be very interesting to learn more on this subject in time to come.
Thanks again for sharing man and have a great day.
glad to help out and figure this all out too... I believe there is something there but the different molecular structures determine carboxylic acids that are on the carbon chain of the molecule and cannabinoids being monoterpenes have a particular carboxyl group as opposed to the sesquiterpenes that would have a different profile... I'll look more into this but my feelings are leaning toward the mimetics being to sensitive to heat augment much as it would just destroy/evaporate them.. when not using cannabis and the mimetics together ( cannabreak) it's probably better to look into the omega EFAs aspect to attain endocannabinoid signalling in a more stable way through diet to sustain the ECS during a break... AHHH- thats it! use the cannabimimetics with the EFAS! so a minor terpene activation via the mimetics with the omegas to stabilize the signal @ cb receptors ! I think thats it
Thanks for your support everyone.
Really do appreciate it.
So far it's been going well, sleeps not been to bad. Appetite has dropped a little but that's no bad thing.
Id say the most notable change is my mood. I've been feeling quite tetchy and frustrated. But I do t know if that's the drop from the t-break or just because I've had to cover the workload myself the last 6 days due to others been off sick.
Hard to tell.
@C No Ego that was an interesting read. I'm crewing on black peppercorn right now. I've used black pepper before to mellow out the high from under cured material before so makes sense that it should help here.
Cannabis, the right foods, and the right spices all have something in common: the ability to dramatically help your body perform as it was designed/ has evolved.
The effects are truly mind-blowing. Due to injuries, I was tuned in to turmeric and that is probably at least tied for #2 best supplement, with cannabis of course being a strong #1. Like cannabis, thousands of years of use for its medical qualities.
"turmeric may play a beneficial role in how our bodies can use the cannabimimetic property of black pepper?"
It could be like with cannabis, the sum of these different compounds may be greater than the individual total. Entourage effect across them all?
Heat is interesting as I researched some of these. For turmeric, raw turmeric root is not as effective as heated raw turmeric so I went with turmeric/curcumin powder as it was easier for day to day use.
Decarb question which I've never found a suitable answer: at room temps, how long does it take for cannabis to decarb?
The charts are all at high temp vs time.
Black pepper and cannabis VS black pepper and turmeric:
Black pepper calms a cannabis "'high" BUT makes turmeric more effectively absorbed/ not be water soluble so lasts longer in the body. Does black pepper + cannabis also make the cannabis "high" last longer, although at a subdued level??
Thank you fpr your thoughts, and in particular this shrewd perception and awareness of the infallible logic that makes turmeric just about the best all round "supplement" for more people, planet wide than any other substance!
Whether you are young, old, thin, chubby (careful choice of words), dog, cat, horse, goat....
Turmeric is of amazing benefit to all who take it, on multiple levels as well. I would bet money that there isn't another substance which would be so well tolerated across the board while providing equal benefit to all (depending on how we consume it of course and our own physiology and metabolism for optimising and absorbing medicines).
Cannabis, although an amzing medicine cabinet, it can have side effects for some and can be unsuitable or at certain times/conditions.
There are some caveats and complications, for some, or many people. I have been saying for some years now that it is a no-brainer for everybody to take turmeric and that it is the number one supplement to go to for overall benefit, especially in light of its affordability compared to any other supplement out there that could possibly rival it, and it's virtually complete lack of Downside except maybe the bitter taste for some.
So it has been my number one recommendation for a supplement if we could only have one. Not that I'm disagreeing with you ranking MJ right up there. And to be fair if you pressed me and said we could only keep one of these plants on the planet I would have course choose Marijuana!
I use turmeric in higher dosed than most- we get this double strength organic turmeric powder online and it is AMAZING stuff! So deep and bright yellow. The standard organic one is very special dont get me wrong, but this double one is the best I swear!
I typically take 2 heaped teaspoons per day. I use spices and many other natural remedies to manage very severe respiratory symptoms and excessive mucus due to infections and allergies.
Cayenne is also amazing. I take both with meals, but I also do "shots". I measure out my large spoon of turmeric and put half in the shot glass with a little water, plus some cayenne and drink it down. This has an incredible and instant effect on the respiratory system bringing immediate relief. Turmeric taken this way is simply amazing for asthma.
Obviously I'm not taking any fat with the turmeric like this so I am conscious that it may be less absorbable, but it is performing a different and vital task in my symptom management routine and would not work in the same way if I took it all with my meal.
Then, as I am taking a large dose of turmeric I am still getting a sizable amount mixed with food and fat each day.
You have also given me some other interesting points and angles to consider, thanks for that.
@GreenHopper , you are in my thoughts my good friend and I'm hoping that this period runs surprisingly smoothly and comfortably for you. There are certainly benefits to be had for abstaining from cannabis, despite its wondrous ability to heal and enhance our lives and well-being.
In truth a part of me is a little envious that you will be undertaking this extended break, I am very lacking in willpower and discipline to take any sort of break for some time now, largely due to very difficult situation healthwise especially with mental health as well.
I'm sure it won't be easy but I feel you may be surprised at how much enjoyment and benefits you will get out of this. You have very many friends here I am certain so I'm sure you will receive a lot of support whenever you need it. Stay strong man and keep your focus, I'm sure time will fly and I hope that your break will not have to stretch as long as you currently anticipate and that there is another side where you are free to do as you would choose, without fear of repercussion.
And good luck with the new job as well of course!
The more info I find on turmeric, the more powerful are its benefits.
OMG, 2 heaping teaspoons a day.... I'm a lightweight as I'm trying to acquire a taste for it. For me it's gone from "yuck" to it's "not too bad". I do an AM and PM 1/8 teaspoon turmeric firecracker of it mixed with warmed up peanut butter and a few good twists of the black pepper mill so the pepper/oil/turmeric are all there.
For general use as an anti-inflammatory supplement, I wonder what is considered an adequate "dose"??
Too bad there isn't more research to answer such questions.
A recent clinical study from India (double blind with placebo group too) showed turmeric to be more effective than Prozac for treating major depression. Well, equally effective without any of the Prozac side effects like suicidal ideations.
As I'm building up to actually liking the taste, I searched for the "Sri Lankan Curry House" here in MN and it's been closed for years. I ate there once, 40 years ago and it was not my cup of tea. I did find a new "House of Curry" with good ratings, for when I'm "up to it"
Started with 4 oz jar but this seems like a great deal, 16 oz of organic turmeric for $9.99
I'm unable to check the links you provided because it is inside the quotation box, just in case you didn't realise. However I do know that it's very easy to pay through the nose for turmeric. We pay £14.80 for 1kg of the double strength organic powder. The standard Organic one is about £10 per kg.
Turmeric capsules are the real craze these days and weight for weight they are pretty extortionate. So maybe shop around a little bit for some good quality organic turmeric powder, although the link you gave is cheap enough I guess, at about $23 per kilo, so that's not too bad!
I believe that a proper full medicinal daily dose is considered to.be 1.5 heaped teaspoons, certainly at least one heaped teaspoon.
For me the taste is no issue at all I actually adore it. I have always been very strong minded with things like this in a mind over matter sense.
I do find that when you mix turmeric with fat it takes away the bitterness. Do you use coconut oil at all with your meals? Try warming a decent amount of turmeric powder in 20 to 30 grams of coconut oil in a small saucepan, and drizzle this over any food it is delicious, be it rice, potatoes, sweet potato, pasta, fish, meat etc etc.
I also used the other spices in very high quality as well, especially Cayenne and cinnamon. These are the primary 3 which I take every day, fundamentally for respiratory support, but also as supplements for overall support- they are all highly anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, antimicrobial, digestive and alkalizing.
But despite all of this I'm just addicted to spices to flavour food with. 100% of my food is home cooked from natural whole foods- just plain food like rice, pasta, potatoes, sweet potatoes, porridge, Millet, etc for carbohydrate...
Fish, organic meat, nuts and beans for protein...
Plenty of vegetables, either raw or lightly boiled...
And loads of healthy natural unrefined fats such as coconut oil and extra virgin olive oil, which are absolutely vital for me to provide enough calories as my problems make it impossible for me to eat enough food generally and I would be severely underweight without a high natural fat intake.
So the fat and the spices and the Himalayan salt are what give the bland plain food it's flavour.
So all I would encourage you to do is try and get more turmeric into you because at those doses I can't believe you're getting more than a small fraction of the potential benefits.
I used to do six months on six months off back before I got ill (2.5 years ago) but once I was knocked down by eczema and infections the cannabis really helped keep my spirits up as well as making sleep possible so I ended up consuming it daily in the evenings.
Now that I'm 70% back to normality (infections gone, got a plan for dealing with the eczema) I think I'm going to get back to that 50/50 schedule.
You guys have convinced me to try tumeric out but I'm going to start small just in case it's a trigger for the eczema. Black pepper isn't a problem so that can be added to my diet right away. Actually I already do consume black pepper but I'm going to up the quantity.
While I'm off the cannabis I find my brain starts going into overdrive and I get fidgety so I'm going to up my workouts to help improve fitness, reduce weight and keep me focused. The natural endorphins help out massively too.
I'm actually excited to see how this all works out.
Guys this is all awesome info!
This is the one you want:
They're an amazing company, we get all of our spices from here now. We used to get them from the health food shop in town, because they are stored in a jar and havent been irradiated.
All those spices in supermarkets, indian shops et, which are in a sealed packet, have beem irradiated, which basically destroys all the goodness.
From this online place, we get all organic spices now as they are just so vastly superior to the non organic forms, the aroma and flavour is just another level plus the medicinal benefits which I notice in how effective they are for my respiratory symptoms.
If you are taking any natural remedy for a medicinal purpose, unless it is organic you are only getting a fraction of its potential benefits. I really don't know if this translates to cannabis but in my experience every single food, supplement or herb that I have tried in both organic and non organic form... the organic one has blown it out of the water every time.
In terms of sharp agency as well I mean especially fragrance and taste.
So I'm curious how this plays out with cannabis because clearly he can get some exceptionally patient marijuana which is not organic.
Anyway this online place I have linked we get the organic form of each spice for much cheaper than we used to pay in the health food shop for the non organic ones!
I just couldn't go back to non organic spices I would feel completely cheated out with a pile of shit!
No joke, the difference is that great!
So best of luck going forward now man. Be strong, it sounds like you generally manage to keep a handle on things, are very body aware and always learning from your experiences and working on improving stategies and programmes for managing and improving health, so keep it up I hope you can get a breakthrough at really calming down or curing your eczemz long term.
Like myself you have been working for something for some time and can only hooe to nail it completely some day (soon). There certainly will be some basic underlying physiological cause, and there will be a cure- It's just finding it!
for decarb to be effective it needs air/oxygen to move that carbon away.. a well sealed mason jar full of cannabis will not have much air to decarb it but it would eventually happen... mostly though the thc just converts to oxidized thc (cbn) in that situation... but cbn is a decarbed compound too so somewhere in there it decarbed while converting over... I've seen a recent report on cbn-a which I did not know existed.. I'd think that kept @ room temp cannabis with plenty of air/light would decarb thc-a faster and stay as thc while not converting into cbn as quickly as the well sealed jarred cannabis that slowly converts would...
there was a cool article I recently read about 5 year old found cannabis in a clear jar that was left on a desktop behind the computer... he had it tested and it was still thc and some cbn... all the terp profiles were there too... it is very stable compounds if in a sealed environment... even the lighted room for 5 years in that test in a clear mason jar did not effect degredation that much.
beta caryophyllene (BCP) is best termed inverse agonist @cb1. I've seen it mentioned that when heated the beta caryophyllene molecule folds in on itself making a multi/double layer mirrored compound. this would strengthen its effectiveness...(maybe that is the meaning of the term compound structure?) inverse agonist means it does not directly agonize cb1 receptor capacity like traditional agonist cannabinoids but rather goes through inverse channels to agonize receptor enzymes halting rate of decay thus prolonging the cannabinoids active effects. I guess when you take BCP would determine its effects in relation to cannabis use... taken before use sets the stage for cleaner metabolism and taken after use halts immediate effects... very interesting no doubt and this type of knowledge takes the act of self administered medication into new realms of possibility..
on more topic with this thread > ( where am I?) < when on a canna break the inverse agonist effects of BCP would help to slow and prolong the bodies own calming effects from natural endocannabinoid production too through that enzymatic inverse agonist delay.
Meditate too to create a "buzz" in your cellular structure and that cleaves off phoshpolipids from your cellular bilayers that turn into endocannabinoids! this is the anandamide and 2-ag you make naturally to keep homeostasis.... just make sure to eat plenty of omega three fats !
Also, for using turmeric... use a straw to drink it so as not to stain the Teeth
Ok so it's been a couple of days now and I feel alright.
Couldn't sleep last night but my brain was spinning on some work related coding tasks, it's always hard to shut off when one is chasing a solution to a problem.
Going to grab some turmeric but before I buy the 500g organic pack I just want to experiment with a smaller sample to make sure I have no adverse reactions. I've just spent a year on an exclusion diet so I need to introduce new ingredients back one at a time in small doses.
The frustrating thing is I have several new Vapes on order ranging from the Flowerpot/Hexnail to Dan's Nomad. It's going to be so tough having them arrive and not being able to use them. Something to look forward to for next summer I guess. I'm considering some alternatives to cannabis to use in them just for fun.
Thanks man, things are settling down. Just had a couple of jabs for flu and mmr to prepare for a methotrexate trial. The docs seem confident it will manage the symptoms better than the roids.
I know have had your own battles and it's been very inspiring reading your posts and seeing gradual improvements, hope you continue to improve exponentially too bud.
The white coats will eventually figure out a cure for these kinds of ailments.
Good call, however, this is gonna sound weird but I have a slight aversion to straws. I dunno why, weird hey? I dated a girl once with a real phobia to buttons, she dumped me a week into the relationship after I bought her a box of chocolate buttons. Turns out I'm not a hilarious as I thought. She really freaked out when she saw them, I felt bad about it, I should have taken it more seriously.
Actually, I think turmeric actually whitens the teeth, any staining is just temporary. I have been unable to use any type of toothpaste since 2006. I use only himalayan salt to brush my teeth for years now.
I used to drink lots of peppermint tea, which is full of tannin- as a result my teeth were permanemtly stained dark green, almost black all over, due to not being able to use toothpaste.
About 3 years ago, I suddenly had to stop drinking peppermint tea as it was causing a problem with my illeocecal valve, causing the bowels to shut.
Gradually my teeth have whitened since, but were still discoloured (no dental problems ir cavities, just cosmetic). I have brushed them with activated charcoal powder before which is an excellent tooth whitener and mouth cleaner. However I do suffer excessive mucus just from having the charcoal in my mouth so I gave up on that.
Now my teeth are the whitest they have been, I have been "oil pulling" for several years whivh is proclaimed to whitebn teeth, although I never noticed that much of an effect.
Stopping the peppermint tea was crucial, but I am convinced it is my turmeric shots that are keeping my teeth whiter than ever now. I have read of a tooth whitening procedure- simply brushing the teeth with turmeric and coconut oil.
Just wanted to add this.
On the topic of T breaks, I generally take one when I start to feel the negative side effects of cannabis more than the high. Normally take a week off every couple of months, and use a small amount of cannabis daily, with 2-3 day breaks most weeks. This is to save money, or sometimes we can't get any. So with tolerence being low ish anyway, I find that when I take a week off and do a vape, I am absolutley high, like a strong warm glow. I had went years previously not going more than a week, or less than, but when I took a break for the first time, I realized its actually so much better to take them and enjoy the true effects of cannabis.
Regarding tumeric, I have suffered from depression and saw that tumeric can alleviate the symptoms. I have been taking pukka tumeric capsules, 2 a day for about a month now and I am gobsmacked. I feel 10x better than any prescribed ssri I have taken. My anxiety has been substantially reduced. Before this I was taking tumeric tea with the fresh root, ginger and lemon and pepper once a day but I couldn't live with having yellow hands all the time. Overall the weed and the tumeric, fish oil and a multivitamin, I am feeling much better considering it is also winter.
Here are some interesting links :
An Overview of Curcumin in Neurological Disorders -https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2929771/
Effects of turmeric on Alzheimer's disease with behavioral and psychological symptoms of dementia
Curcumin for the treatment of major depression: A randomised, double-blind, placebo controlled study
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032714003620 - From weeks 4 to 8, curcumin was significantly more effective than placebo in improving several mood-related symptom.
I can't find it at the moment but I saw a youtube?? where they were proposing using turmeric mixed with baking soda and coconut oil as a teeth whitener. My first response was WTF as there are "warnings" about turmeric root staining your kitchen counter, staining your fingers, staining your clothes BUT it is possible it whitens your teeth----
Like alexis, maybe give it a try???
I think they used the leftover mix to clean/exfoliate their face
Turmeric is multi-purpose, like cannabis.
I make my own toothpowder and have used turmeric in a few recipes. It's messy. It's true that turmeric tends to stain everything but teeth. I drink turmeric milk at least twice a day and I do feel it has an overall whitening effect.
It's a wonderful anti-inflammatory and tastes great!
Tastes great...to some
I'm working on it as it's gone from really bad taste (totally not used to its flavor) to "meh" and I keep trying
Did some of your milk drink----turmeric/cinnamon/ black pepper/ dash of coconut oil/ milk/ some green tea/ smidge of raw honey, and it was not bad.
Who knows, maybe next month I'll be snorting curry powder
Hahaha! You'll learn to love it. Give it time. I didn't used to but I do now. Now, it's my favorite hot drink. Yum yum!
I hear that turmeric is great for plugging!
It is probably true actually. Direct to the bloodstream, no taste problem whatsoever!
You definitely wouldn't want to use curry powder.
Good point! Especially if vindaloo is on the way out!
I take two capsules of tumeric capsules daily for inflammation they are a really good brand that the doctor suggested. They have 750mg of the tumeric per capsule. I get it off Amazon it's by EuroMedica it's called CuraPro.
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