Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by magicflight, May 16, 2009.
Brownies kicking my ass, box will have to wait.
I dunno - it's been like this since day one. I don't know if it's the batteries and charger, as they get very hot after awhile, like too hot to touch, and they may start burning the herb. So I usually have to stop entirely and let the Box and the batteries cool off.
As for technique, I think I'm doing it right - I taste the vapor and keep tasting it and tasting it and tasting it. This is how I've been using it - am I doing something wrong:
-push the battery to start heating
-after a few seconds deeply suck out the vapor for 10-15 seconds, disconnecting the battery towards the end
-inhale and hold, then push the battery back into while exhaling, and repeat
-I usually draw slowly until things start heating up, then I suck harder to try to cool things down
-especially at the beginning, shaking it isn't enough to dislodge the load - I have to break it up by hand before I can shake it. I do this after every toke or two
-after a bit the herb is more dried out I crush it with my finger some more
After doing this continually for 15 or 20 minutes the battery gets very hot so I pull it out completely and let them and the box cool down for 5 minutes or so. I do this several times before the heating lamp inside gets very week. Still getting vape at this point, which is like after 40 minutes or more. The herb is less green than at the outset, but not really tobacco brown.
The buzz is short-lived and is like an old television when the color starts to fade. The one time that I got a more robust high was vaping the off-white dust that collect at the bottom of the bag and clings to it's sides.
Do people who use it have access to serious hydro, or does it work best with cheap dirtweed, etc? Because between this and the Iolite, nobody I know has been impressed with either of them. I did try a Pax recently, which I was surprised to find actually did the trick, and I'm wondering if people who swear by the MFLB maybe are used to outdoor shake or otherwise. I should add that my tolerance isn't super high - my pipe bowl holds less than a trench, and that's plenty.
Any ideas or useful advice?
Please try cleaning your box.
Use Iso on a Qtip... and without getting anything really wet, rub the two rods, well, and wipe them off with dry qtip.
Be sure they do not have an appearance of 'fuzziness"... that would be residues depposited on the rods, and that causes the symptoms you speak of....
Hot battery implies battery is at least functioing, but dirty rods can prevent appropriate conduction throughout entire screen. Try it.. it can't hurt.
Your batteries should NEVER be hot. Warm yes................hot no. Heat like that can ruin a battery in no time.
Also try drawing in intervals ... it's the only way I can get the size of hits I like with the box. I hold the battery in for about 2 seconds then I take a micro draw, wait 1 second then take another micro draw, wait 1 second then take another micro draw and continue doing that until I've got a big enough hit. This technique also helps out for throat irritation.
I agree with the above posts... Batteries getting too hot = no bueno for battys. Perhaps try rotating two batteries so one can cool while you swap back/forth.
Cleaning the box can make a HUGE difference in performance.
I also use the micro hit (or sip) technique with very good results. I use with high grade, well ground/dry herb.
Yup. I only use the best that I can get out here in Cali, but it wasn't until I got the Finishing Grinder that my Box really started to shine.......... (that sounded kinda weird).
I wrote to MFLB about a little problem I had with a lot of resin building inside my box, they offered to replace it.
I have the one made with Maple, is it possible to pay the difference in the warranty process to get the Walnut one? ($149 - $119 = $30). I kinda want it.
PS: I ordered the Power Adapter V2, I live in Central America so it takes a while. I CAN'T WAIT TO TRY IT!
I got the PA 2.0 for my MFLB a couple of days ago and it´s doing quite well. Only thing that Im not completely satisfied with is the fact that it doesn´t work on the highest setting.
When on the highest setting (and close to it too) it will not work and instead it makes a "click sound", coming from the part which you insert into the launch box without any heating taking place at all.
Anyone know why this is? Im from Denmark and had to buy a transformer (uk male to danish male stick) in order for it to be plugged in. Don´t know if this might have anything to do with it?
Thanks in advance for your time.
Mine is the same way, the largest dot has to be sitting just above the wood on the - side, can't be any higher or it makes that weird noise. I believe this has been talked about before in this thread, I'm not sure if we were ever given a reason it does this. I assume the noise is some sort of fail safe kicking in to prevent the dial from going past the temperature they wanted it to max out at. If it got any hotter the box might combust itself I imagine? Not sure why they didn't just use a dial with less range, maybe the larger dial provides a wider range of temperatures. Although cutting it off at the end kind of defeats that purpose... Idk why they wouldn't try and improve it so they could use the full dial and make the temperature range even wider. Maybe it wasn't possible, they thought it unnecessary, or maybe it's a defect. Been using mine for about 6 months now, pretty much everyday, still goin strong.
People have noticed that as well, i dunno if you'll want a replacement, but i do believe most eventually fail if they have that high end power cutout issue. Dont quote me, just trying to remember what I've read
I just got a mflb 2 days ago and this was the 1st time I vaped herbs. I found that the instruction book, videos and the discussions on FC made it easy to use and I was surprised how effective it was and how little you could smell the weed when it was vaped. The 2nd day I used it it did the job but I I noticed the ash was black rather than brown that there was a more noticeble odor and I cough some. Clearly some combustion took place and though I thought I was controlling the temp with the rate of my draw (both using constant draw and sipping technique) and the timing of my draw ( 5-6 sec after the light went on) as I did the 1st day. The other variables were a different strain of weed ( all obtained legally in CA) and a different battery. I know that the various chemicals vape at slightly different temps and was wondering if certain strains might do better in specific vaporizers. Does anyone have a specific strain or type of weed that they use in their MFLB?
I bought it with the power adapter but since it also came with 10 fully charged batteries I havn't used it yet but will use it today with the weed that conbused to see if it is more reliable than the batteries and easier to controll the temp.
I did have trouble getting a fine grind(I have a cheap plasic grinder) and alter 3 hits I regrinded the weed and put it back into the trench.I hate to spend $36+ for the finishing grinder but if it the only way to get a really fine grind that will be my next purchase.
I found great success using the Finishing Grinder. It's a little pricey, but really handy too. The grind it gives is absolutely perfect for the MFLB, in my opinion, and I also got much, much better results with it than without it.
There are other ways, but... I really like the Finishing Grinder. Plus the fact it can sit right on top of the MFLB is pretty cool. It's a neat little accessory and it's always good to support the folks of Magic Flight.
I think you are waiting too long before starting to draw. With a fully charged battery, I too would probably risk to combust if I waited that time before drawing.
That's only a personal observation, but maybe try waiting only 3-4 seconds, it might make a difference.
Might have to pick one of those up, it's one of the few accessories I don't own... that, and the pipe whip, oh, and a wooden stem. It is cool looking. I watched the video on their production, very cool!
I wait about a second before I start drawing. 5-6 seems too long to me!
I wait between 3 to 8 seconds depending on how much I've used the battery.
Yeah. I don't count but best guess, 8 - 10 seconds before I draw.
In fact I can't even think of waiting that long.
With a fully charged battery, if I wait 10 seconds without drawing it simply reaches combustion (sadly tested and verified a few times when sharing my Box with my unexperienced friends).
I guess my box is calibrated a little too high on the temperature side.
You should try the PA you purchased .
I find it helps in reducing your combustions , once you've found your sweet spots .
You can always dry out your buds and use the finger/thumb method . Also put your weed in a pill bottle with 2 nickels and shake hard , that also works .
Another thing to consider is the age of the box. When I first got mine, I couldn't wait very long at all before drawing. After much use, now I have to let it heat up about 8 seconds before drawing to get it really producing.
@rudy420, I agree with @poonman. Use the PA to get used to the box and how your draw affects the temperature. If you set the PA to slightly less than half power, you will rarely combust, if ever. You'll find that at some point, controlling the LB will become natural and you'll wonder how you ever reached combustion. Basically, you'll develop a sense of the temperature from the heat and taste of the vapour. He's also right about the cheapest way to get a really good fine grind for the LB: a couple of coins and a pill bottle, add some elbow grease.
I don't think there are vapourizer-specific strains. Drier and finer is better, and no vapourizer can make low quality material better. I've not found a strain that my LB had any trouble with, nor do I expect to.
More than counting seconds, I look into the draw hole and hit it when vapor becomes visible.
I've been drawing based off of heat feedback, but I've been learning each stem cools differently so you gotta minorly adjust switching out each stem, very minimal though I've found
Thanks for all the feedback. I used the pa yesterday and set it for 3/4 power and using the 5sec wait the herb combusted and I could see the combustion on the trench. After that I set it at 1/2 power and was able to vape the rest of that trench and another w/o any promlems.
I can't see the vapor in the stem hole but was able to see it with the whip.However I find it is still necessary for me to feel the heat of the vapor as I draw to regulate the temp so I still prefer the native draw.
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