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The Magic-Flight Box

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by magicflight, May 16, 2009.

  1. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    Yes. I doesn't work well on the go. You could buy a generator to power the PA, but batteries are probably more convenient.

    :peace:
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  2. mattstermh

    mattstermh Active Member

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    Are there better batteries that I should invest in, rather than keeping the stock ones?
  3. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    The "stock" ones are actually quite good these days. They made them for the sole purpose of vaping herb in the box. No need to look for 'better' ones anymore IMHO.

    :peace:
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  4. Ano

    Ano Well-Known Member

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    Actually the PA could be useful on the go, you'll just need to buy the car adapter with it to be able to vaporize at PA quality in your car.
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  5. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl 200% THC

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    OF made a battery pack to connect to the PA to power it.
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  6. axakal

    axakal Well-Known Member

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    and someone also tries to make a solar cell working.

    if you got the new ones, there seems to be nothing better than them out there.

    sorry for the back to back post. where was the delete button again?

    mod note: Thanks for noticing. Two posts merged.
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  7. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Boy, isn't that just like Stu? Pick on the new guy..... Only Stu would give a guy a bad time about toting a generator along to run his vape while completely ignoring the obvious solution (a very long extension cord).

    Guys with enough experience know to not take him seriously, of course.

    "Classic Stu" if you asked me.

    Guilty. 3 cell battery of 18650s. About the size of a deck of cards, works GREAT! Gives a couple hours of run time.....say what you'd get from half a shoebox of charged MLFB batteries?

    [​IMG]



    It works for other vapes that want 12 VDC as well. I originally used it to power up my PD. Fun part is MFLB uses about twice the power as PD or other similar stem vapes do sitting idle waiting for you. MFLB is so frugal......

    Fits great in a coat pocket. At one point I was taking the PD in the other pocket.....

    What you mean 'tries'? Guilty there too. I used to vape in the garden on sun power (kind of a fun idea, IMO). To be practical you need a battery to store energy before you vape (or the panel gets real big and real expensive fast and you need full sun happening in real time. I used a small lead acid gel battery (I left it there), other, lighter batteries would work. Not overly practical, but fun and effective.

    The panel was one of those $20 'solar charger' panels to keep the car, boat or RV battery topped up in storage. No, is, I still have it, it's just hiding inside now.....it's a coward.

    Exactly right. Like TV products, if there was a better battery for the job out there, 'the factory' would ship it. MFLB not only provided the very best battery for most users, but has gone the extra step to have even better custom batteries made for them. I was a Beta Tester, they are super no doubt about it.

    Sorry, Axakal, no delete button. Would you trust us? The drill is to 'report yourself' using the 'Report' tab and the nice Mods will send the extra post to post heaven.

    OF
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  8. vii

    vii Active Member

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    I had the exact same problem with the overheating. It cause me to stop using it. I just did a warranty claim for that reasons. The whole process took about three weeks for me.
  9. RTA

    RTA Member

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    Just a few questions for you OF.

    Did you use an inverter in your solar setup or did you hook up the car adapter with the battery and what was the spec of your battery.

    I too am creating a solar system to use with my new power adapter. I have a nice 20 W solar panel.
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  10. morninglight

    morninglight Well-Known Member

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    I have a medium sized mendo mulcher and find it WAY too compact for my hands. Any males with larger hands have issues using TFG? I'm thinking about buying the TFG and a medium sized SCS cause I just can't deal with my mendo much longer.. lol​
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  11. b0

    b0 Vapor powered

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    Haven't tried the TFG, but you will love the SCS. I have a red 4pc SCS and it's perfect. Usually I regrind the meds after it with the help of scissors if they are for the MFLB but for everything else the SCS "shreds" really well.
  12. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    No inverter, although my largest panel needs a charge controller, which you might too. You need to protect stuff from overvoltage. At 20 Watts a big enough battery (a few dozen Ah at least) will work instead of the controller, but you might want to check things out before you risk your PA. Otherwise I just plugged 12 Volts into the PA like the Wall Wort or car cord would (I made the cable). Like on my battery pack above, in fact for a while it was the same cable.

    An inverter will cost you power you're paying dearly for, I"d avoid it.

    I used two different batteries, a 12 Ah one in the end when the smaller went flat on me after a few dark days and lots of use. The rule of thumb in such systems is to store at least 3 'sun days' IIRC?

    A lot of year ago I ran a similar system using a motorcycle battery from Sears (larger gel batteries weren't common then....don't even ask about solar panels then.......), if you're not moving it around a lot, another thing worth looking into?

    BTW, next time you might consider deleting unnecessary text and all the photos in stuff you quote. Not only is it considered good manners to not subject others to a repeat of one of my rambling posts so soon after they've been subjected to it and saves bandwidth and all that (portable guys love that part), but it's also in the rules......

    I like mine, but it can be a pain sometimes. Especially if the goods are wet or I overlaod it (go figure....). How about one of these?
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000P15LX0/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A368LE113Q5PAL

    Drop your bud in, push the button, let the gadget do all the work? I like mine.

    OF
  13. morninglight

    morninglight Well-Known Member

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    Cool. Yeah still debating between a 4pc and a 2pc. SCS seems to be all the rage and for the right reasons.


    The reviews of that particular item don't inspire me to make the purchase but I'll take a look around. Hadn't really thought about a smaller electrical device/grinder.
  14. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You're call. Like I said, I like mine and think it does a good job (or I wouldn't recommend it). After trying half a dozen hand grinders (including the very models you cite) I came to understand it's all a compromise against physical issues which are typically variable (good days and bad) and not getting any better over time. And the price is cheap enough to pitch if it doesn't work out

    Again, your call. Good luck with it.

    OF
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  15. nopartofme

    nopartofme               

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    Male with large hands here, actually. I own a two inch Mendo "vape grinder" as well, which I think is .25" smaller than the standard medium model? I haven't had as much trouble with it as it seems you have, but then again I've had lower than usual supply lately and so I haven't used it as much as I'd like. I have had my eyes on a large two piece SCS thanks to the nuts here at FC, but it is hard to justify after I've already spent $80 between the Mendo and TFG :ko:

    As for dealing with the size of TFG, it is small… You need to hold it and the box in a certain way to maximize twist-ability and stability. Like OF has said, you'll have trouble with TFG if your herb isn't in optimal launch box condition already (very dry). If the size of the Mendo really bothers you that much, I'm leaning toward not recommending TFG.

    It's hard for me to say that, though, because as you can see from my write-up and photo that you quoted, I really love the little thing. Fun to use, in my opinion. There's nothing like the soft "crunch" you hear when you press the grinder together with some superdry material inside. Then you really twist it while pressing, and all that dry crumbly stuff you mashed together is now being finely grated. That will get your magic flight off to a top start. Would you believe I actually missed TFG when I got a Cera as my second vaporizer. :lol: The diameter of the joining bit is juuust too big to fit in the Cera's bowl. I tried!

    Following OF's advice here will certainly get you wonderfully ground bud; I claim no advantage in grind consistency over a coffee grinder. Personally, I love the experience of breaking apart new bud for drying, tossing it in the Mendo after it's dried a bit, and using TFG as the final pit stop before it gets to rest in the trench. The whole process feels very earthy and hands on, and it works perfect. I've become so accustomed to the process that it would feel strange for me to incorporate an electric grinder at this point. As long as you're not gunking it up with moist flowers, it's simple to brush clean as well. I err on the side of clean-freak, so the nooks and crannies of a coffee grinder bother me– in theory. I don't own one.

    Hope I could help a little, sorry I don't have a clear answer…
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  16. Ano

    Ano Well-Known Member

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  17. nopartofme

    nopartofme               

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    One further point that came to mind on keeping herb dry for the finishing grinder. When I get a new batch, it's never in prime launch box condition. I'm usually too impatient and strapped for herb to wait for it all to dry out before I use it, so for my first several trenches I omit the finishing grinder at first, going straight from the Mendo to the trench. But only for the first half of the trench! Halfway through, I dump it out into my hand and put it through the finishing grinder for the second half of the trench. The bud should be sufficiently drier at that point, and after grinding the second half then hits much better.

    Many do this with their fingers, crumbling halfway through the trench, but the finishing grinder does the same thing better.
  18. morninglight

    morninglight Well-Known Member

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    The mendo works for me I just wish I could get a better grip/hold on it.. the double stack is quite appealing though. Despite the size of TFG, I may as well get it and check it out.. Really want to thank you for taking the time and replying today. Lots of good feedback.
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  19. nopartofme

    nopartofme               

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    Not a problem at all, I'm always happy to put my obsessive hobbies to some good use. I had not seen the mendo double stack before, that does look neat!
  20. mattstermh

    mattstermh Active Member

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    So pushing the battery into the LB is what creates the vapor? So if I push it in, I see vapor, can I take my finger off and just inhale, then push back down again when I want it to refill with vapor?

    That sounds more like convection than conduction style.
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  21. nopartofme

    nopartofme               

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    Pushing in the battery completes a circuit with the battery at one end and the screen that your herb is resting on at the other. The circuit causes the screen itself to heat rapidly, thus heating your herb by contact, or conduction. Convection heating requires the air to be heated separately from the herb and then brought across or through it.

    You can just heat, watch for vapor, stop, inhale, and repeat if you like, but it's not the most efficient way of doing things. The optimal time to begin inhaling lightly is actually a little before the point where vapor is very noticeable in the trench, so with the extra heat you're using you run a high risk of overcooking some parts or at least cooking very unevenly. Optimal cooking in the launch box demands constant but light airflow and a good shake once in a while to bring new material in contact with the heating surface.
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  22. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl 200% THC

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    How it turns on is irrelevant to whether it's conduction or convection.

    If it directly transfers heeat via contact, that's conduction.

    If it heats the air which then passes through, convection.
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  23. mattstermh

    mattstermh Active Member

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    So basically I need to keep my finger pressed in and holding the battery down the entire time until the bowl is done?
  24. nopartofme

    nopartofme               

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    You only keep the battery held in as long as you are inhaling. I recommend reading pakalolo's excellent compilation of information on Vaporpedia if you haven't already.
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  25. bluemonkey

    bluemonkey Active Member

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    If you brought yours recently, you MFLB would have come with a flight guide

    it's posted here online
    http://magic-flight.com/pdf/flightguide.pdf
    it's explained pretty thoroughly in there, even a few visual guides to help
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