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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by magicflight, May 16, 2009.

  1. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    Androidd being a ripoff is mildly laughable, but I'll just leave it at that since were starting to stray from the topic.

    "You get what you pay for" holds true, once again.

    And I've got 10 fingers that can peel batteries lol. I can see this being a problem for our less fortunate friends. Peeled or not, I wouldn't put a battery in my pocket without a cap over the possitive end.

    Forgive spellinng, phone keyboard is bunk due to outside circumstances and not some android bug :p

    Edit: speak your mind but realize we've had at least a few instances of companies shilling on here, and cases with the DL being shilled. Had one with the puffit as well that I saw. We don't like being played around these parts but at least you have your review website up so there's that.

    Btw, simple as it may seem, you wouldn't believe the amount of science and engineerigng it took to make the launch box. The concept was independently thought up, I know I wouldn't have ever come up with one like it. 27 patents they submitted... DL/da kube will likely become illegal if MF gets the patents awarded.
     
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  2. b0

    b0 Vapor powered

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    Lol, sorry for the offtopic guys, but just wanted him to know that I'm an android user/developer lmao :rofl:

    As I said before, enjoy your dragon, you have your right to enjoy what you want :wave:
     
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  3. kingofnull

    kingofnull ace

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    Speaking your mind is perfectly acceptable in the correct thread.

    I think you've already said your piece about the Dragon Lite in this thread.
     
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    This is just getting funny now. I'd like to comment further,but wolves don't communicate with sheep.[​IMG]
    (Just to be clear, the MFLB is the wolf,and the Dragon? Baa...baa).
     
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  5. mrweed

    mrweed vaporizer review blogger

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    ok, one last comment, so you won't get me wrong: i really don't like them both and barely use them cause they suck. i need excat controllable temperature for the best vaping pleasure, but still i think for 30€ it's okay, but it's just not worth the 100€, if you ask me. so i prefer the dl
     
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  6. kingofnull

    kingofnull ace

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    I have to disagree with you here, OF.

    Energizer sells a 2300 mAh NiMH that'll work with the LB in pretty much every drug, convenience, and grocery store. At least in my neck of the woods.
     
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  7. mrweed

    mrweed vaporizer review blogger

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    maybe we have different batteries in europe, don't know but yes you can get 2000+mah batteries just everywhere. that's no problem for real
     
  8. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    Speaking your mind is perfectly welcome here. What is not welcome is implying that somehow you aren't allowed to. You spoke your mind several times—in the wrong thread. Did you really expect to be welcomed with open arms in the most popular thread we have when you keep posting that a blatant ripoff is actually better?

    Your posts are trolling. Whether you intended that or not is irrelevant. The next post along these lines will get you a warning point.

    Everyone else: Do not feed the trolls!
     
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  9. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I've tried them, actually, some time back on a whim. I'm using two of them in a flashlight somewhere around here. Not only aren't they available in most of the places I go (maybe I don't get out enough?) but I found they did not perform as well (which is why I didn't peel the rest). And surely they don't meet the original 'you can use (any) battery from the local market'. This thing is either magic or doesn't perform at the same level as MFLB. Or perhaps........

    It's not adding up to me. Guys are welcome to their opinion, but to me without something to back it up it's not a reliable guide?

    Thanks.

    OF
     
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  10. mrweed

    mrweed vaporizer review blogger

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    come on with "here" i ment this thread obviously^^ and actually it pisses me off to be called a troll, cause that really(!) implies for me not being welcome.
    but feel free to delete my posts here and copy them in the right thread if you like to
     
  11. ShipDit

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    Baa...baa...
    Wait a second,there's an "ignore button".
    *Click*
    No more sheep.
     
  12. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    OF, I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. It's true that the batteries most of us prefer are not that common, but there are suitable Energizer, Duracell, Sanyo, and President's Choice batteries all available at the local Loblaw's (grocery store). I can find Powerex Imedions (used to be the stock battery) and 2700s at all the local computer shops as well.

    I'm pretty sure you can get the Energizers and Duracells at almost any local grocery store, and probably the Sanyos as well.

    Edit: I've tried all but the Duracells. Powerex are the best but all of the ones I tried were usable.
     
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  13. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Like I just said (and think I did at the time?), I tried several locally available batteries and found them all lacking in one way or another (usually not as fast or hot) which led to ordering more 'factory' ones and using the usually recommended types. I reached that conclusion by experiment. IMO many types are superior to others, but only a very few perform at top levels.

    For sure randomly selected ones from anywhere don't cut it....except by random chance?

    OF
     
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    That's why I always stick with the factory batteries. The Powerexx batteries have also always worked well for me.
    Guess that makes the first sentence a total lie...sorry 'bout that.
     
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  15. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    I agree that Powerex batteries are best for the LB, leaving aside the new Magic-Flight battery. I didn't find any of the others to be unusable, just not quite as good. Some brands don't fit snugly but they still worked. I seem to recall that the Sanyos and PC batteries didn't fit well (PC batteries are rebranded Sanyos I think).

    It's a bit of a stretch in my mind to go from "performs at top levels" to "can't find suitable batteries". To me all of them were suitable, just some performed better. If your definition of "suitable" actually means "must perform at top level" then I guess I concede your point—although I disagree with your understanding of "suitable" in that case.
     
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  16. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    That I think is it. IMO a battery that doesn't allow the device to perform to specifications is not suitable.

    Put another way, I bought batteries with the intent of using them in my MFLBs and ended up replacing them.....because I found them unsuitable.

    There are lots and lots of posts on this thread about guys trying random batteries and having problems. What advice is offered?

    OF

    Edit: This is not confined to MFLB of course. We have similar issues with D9 and TV products as well. Lots of other batteries (some 'better' by mAh rating) are disappointing. FV fits in there too, I think? OF
     
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  17. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    Well NiMH and Li-ion are apples and oranges. I know you know enough about batteries to understand that the mAh rating for Li-ion batteries is not enough to determine their suitability for vapourizer use, internal resistance is a major factor.

    There's a lot less room for variation with the NiMH chemistry that the LB uses. My experience was that the Sanyo Eneloops worked just as well as the Imedions, for example. They were the stock batteries for the LB until Magic-Flight had supply problems after Panasonic acquired Sanyo.
     
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  18. morninglight

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    Way too many off topic posts last couple pages.. anyways..

    Just wanted to comment that I tried the 40-50% range and had a successful time with my MFLB last night. I do let it warm up for 5-10 seconds before I begin the 'micro hits'. Thanks to those who reported what settings they used on their PAs. I do have one question though. If you shake your MFLB (bought mine nov/dec 2011) do some particles or ground matter filter up above the trench area onto the top of the wooden area behind the trench? Mine always seems to if I shake it too roughly.


    Someone commented about the whip... think it's about time for me to pony up and purchase it from PIU!!
     
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  19. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Actually internal resistance is a key factor with MFLB as well. The current loads are huge (like 15 Amps) which causes even good batteries to 'sag' way way down. .75 Volts being typical, 40% being 'lost' to IR causing heating where we don't want it (in the battery) rather than where we do (the trench).

    Lesser batteries, the ones that don't get hot enough, are not failing because of capacity but internal resistance. The 'open circuit' (AKA Thvenin Voltage) is the same in all cases (due to chemistry) but the internal resistance and capacity vary due to construction. That's where the rub is. IR keeps them from performing to snuff.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thévenin's_theorem

    OF
     
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    Same thing happens to me when I really shake it hard,but the amount is minuscule IMHO.
     
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  21. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    Not that I expect you to read the thread, but a well-placed small strip of electrical tape has helped me out. Minimal particulate goes through the "river" and basically stopped my bud from coming out through there in my pocket (sad times :cry:)

    [​IMG]
     
  22. morninglight

    morninglight Well-Known Member

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    Cool maybe I'll try this, thanks!
     
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  23. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    What a brilliant idea! A guy'd have to be some kind of genius to come up with something like that......

    FWIW, I made my tape wedge shaped, broad end to the bowl, pointy end outward. That seemed to give the best mechanical blocking while keeping more air flow? Only some boxes seem to suffer here?

    OF
     
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  24. kingofnull

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    I don't want to deviate too much further into battery-talk-land, but I've found the Energizers to be perfectly useable batteries. I wonder what issues OF ran into...

    I've been using these for years when I need a local MFLB battery. In fact, I preferred the performance of them in a lot of ways to the current MFLB offering.

    I'm not looking to pick a fight, I'm just surprised is all.
     
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  25. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    Oh shush, you're the one that showed me... That was an older picture, I just searched the thread real quick because I knew it was in here somewhere. I refined mine to my liking.
     
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