The Magic-Flight Box

Cool. But vaping cleanly from a nail or swing doesn't count. The box will never get close to that hot. Waxes will remain and quickly foul it out (like with the first load). Go with the foil test, look for the 'quickly melts and flows freely' part, that counts too.

Full melts are not the same as oils, at least not around here. The first is mechanical, the second solvents. The solvents used (generally) don't carry bad stuff over like happens with mechanical processes. The key here is the solvent part, at least that's what experience has shown so far.

"Supermelts" generally pass the foil test and therefore are fine. "Full Melts" still have stuff in them and don't. That's the experience, hence the advice.

Good luck with it.

OF

I don't dab, just heat from a match when I do it. When done with a vaporizer, it all comes down to what size of hash is used, and how separated they are. I explained why already. If you see any type of blackness with clean hash/oil, that comes from the heat degrading the oils, being that the heat is trapped in the core of the concentrate, and the essential oils not being allowed to boil away quickly. THC, and the waxes, are clear, so that color is not from them directly, but from the degradation of using a chunk of material, and high heat.

The foil technique is good, but if you have high essential oil(taste,odor) content in you concentrate you will get a black color due to degradation from the high heat. A lot of oils don't have too much low boiling essential oils so they don't get this effect when heated, at least not as much as hash that has no heat that has been applied to it during the drying process. A lot of people use a warming technique to get rid of the solvents when making oils, and you also get rid of a lot of the essential oils when you do this, as they boil at really low temperatures.

This time I'm really done, I just love talking about concentrates or in other words trichomes. Peace.

I have some bubble hash. I can try it... but I can tell you already it won't work.

My BHO shatter works perfect. Lasts a long time to.

As for cases... there can be only one!

Burton - The Kit (clickable)

This is the size I mean when in use.

All that's left of my bubble hash, would be considered hash kief.

Welp... that was a miserable failure. Though, I did have a follow-up session with BHO, finally found the right amount.

Here's the bubble hash before and after, I tried.

Thanks a lot for trying.

I see some heat did hit the hash though, as it congealed, and got darker, so time will tell what's going on. Yes I am when trying to find answers for things.

BTW, what amount did you find worked with BHO?. Using fullmelt cleardome hash will work like the BHO, so it would be nice to know so I don't waste anything.

My man Buildozer did some testing of max weights for the concentrate tray and he tells me that .05g is the max load without spillage. So best to keep it under that. Say .025 - .04g.

What's happening is the heat isn't being applied properly. When you add BHO and it melts in, it starts vaporizing on the floor of the tray/quartz pad. The reason it works so much better is because the heat is being directly transferred into the mass of oil. The bubble sitting on top of the screen like that, is the same concept that the FlashVape S2 mod uses, except this one isn't working as efficiently. Where's the majority of the heat from the LB coming from? The floor of the trench. The problem here is the floor of the trench is in direct contact with the base/floor of the Concentrate Tray. Only so much heat makes it up to the screen section. This is why melty stuff works exponentially better, because the characteristics allow it to flow to where there's more heat.

Edit: also air flow! The air is coming from above the hash, down through the hole. You would want it to be reversed, so that the heat from below/retained in the CT flows through the hash/bubble before exiting, instead of the heat below, flowing directly away from the hash above it and to the air path hole.

I agree with everything you wrote, but the way I see it, the mflb screen is one big heater that will heat the air that comes into contact with it, which is the whole trench. The only thing is it doesn't hold heat very well because it is so thin. This is why I think the airflow has to be so slow that you are barely inhaling anything. The air has more time to stay into contact with the hash, allowing better extraction. Of course you will still have to break the hash up a few times as it will congeal, and not vape as efficiently as it would if it were to stay apart because now you're doing convection vaporizing instead of conduction.

True, it will heat the air all right, but most of the air it heats is then either sucked out of the bottom or rises uselessly to the lid to cool off. There's no action to force the air into contact with the hash, in fact just the opposite.

There's barely enough power in conduction (it almost demands the PA at full blast), more than you'd use normally for bud. Going from conduction to convection needs LOTS more power, we just don't have it available in MFLB.

There's just too little hot air (and most of that going the wrong way), and what there is is not hot enough. Too few degrees. It can be done, the LL Cera cart does a great job with bubble. It just uses a lot more energy to make hot air and directs that hot air through the load......two things we don't have working for us here.

Good luck with your very rare 'BHO like cleardome'. You might be able to melt enough to get some in the pad? However, basically nobody else has access to that stuff. Folks should understand that the bubble hash at the local dispensary is not going to work. The only concentrates there that will work are the solvent refined oils and waxes that pass the foil test.

OF

From what I see the mflb is heated from side to side, not just the bottom screen. The bottom screen just get's caught up in the mix, as the current travels between the two rods. You are slowly bringing this heated air to come into contact with the hash. Being that the mflb heats up so fast, this should be easy to do. Again, your inhale is very important for this to work.
http://www.vaporpedia.com/wiki/Magic-Flight_Launch_Box



There is no need to keep talking about this because unless the technique is used correctly we are just speculating. I will post up the results when I get what's needed.

BTW, that tray would also be good to make the mflb a true convection vaporizer, and prevent burning on the bottom of your herb.

I think we're finally in at least partial agreement here. There is no need to discuss this further at this point.

Several of us think it won't work because of our experience with herb in the box and because we tried it and it doesn't work. You might think it's because we're just too dense or clueless or lack the proper skills but I tend to think collectively we gave it a good try and the average owner will fare no better. In fact, you might not......

I don't think it makes MFLB into a convection vaporizer at all. The airflow is backwards and there's just not enough power to go wasting it heating air......air keeps MFLB from getting hot enough to make vapor, not the other way around.

We shall see.

Thanks for the thoughts.

OF

Eh... no one listens to me.

I don't know @#$%.

That last picture, I swear looks like little, tiny piles of pooh, on the tray. Son of a... I put that on top of a HI load to finish it off.

Think I'm going to be sick...

That's what I was thinking. We all told him it does not work well. I don't understand why he doesn't believe us.

Bubble hash or Bubble bag kief works great in the MFLB without a tray.
Observe:

The 1st 2 hits are normal speed... then I do a bunch at superspeed!

Perhaps Paul Simon best summed it up in The Boxer? "....still a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest".

OTOH, if it wasn't for guys doing what others told them isn't going to work a lot of the progress enjoy might not happen.....not that I think it's the case here.

Still one never knows. One thing pretty clear to me, given the very special nature of the cleardomes suggested it's not likely to be a breakthrough useful to many if it happens.

I don't know about you, but I was specifically asked to try the various types available locally....which I did with the results reported. I bet you got the same request with your Beta units and did the same testing with the same results? It's not like we didn't specifically try it or anything haphazard.

Not to take away from the tray, as it's designed to work it seems to do well. It provides more options for the little box we love......and choice, I'm told, is a good thing.

OF

That's correct. I was asked to use various types that were available to me, so that's what I did.

Here are the pictures I promised. I'm sorry I don't have a macro lens for my smartphone.

It would be so cool to have a "Fuck Combustion expedition" series. Vito, Q, dreamerr, Daddy, OF altogether vaping some goodness around the world. The first episodes could be done without much effort in medical states. Fuck Combustion, Cali expedition. If it goes well you could make an effort and have an Amsterdam Expedition

I'm in ..

Works for me. There should also be seats for sale for Members and maybe a drawing or two for 'lucky Members'?

A while back we were kicking around the idea of doing a "Vape Tour", l like the wine tasting tours popular in 'wine country'. We rent a limo, tour a few select Humbolt County producers, try some samples and party down back at the hotel. Everyone (except maybe the poor Limo Driver.....) has a card so we can hopefully avoid legal hassles.

Maybe we hit a couple of the better Dispensaries in the Bay Area on the way to or from the airport?

We could do the budget version, starts with a rented SUV at the bus station......

We could do a total Haight/Ashbury Retro thing? Lots of tie dye, party in Golden Gate park. Might want to work some on the smell, of course. Might have trouble scaring up enough braless hippie chicks these days to pull it off. There don't seem to be as many as 'in the day'......I kinda miss that part, actually. That and the Free Love, of course.

OF

I'm kind of glad I still have my ding-a-ling

If this happens count me in! I'd love to see the stuff you folks enjoy on a daily basis.
Also would like to see if some of the folks around here are actually "human". Could be the basis for a new Discovery Channel series...."In search of the perfect Vape". Gotta be better than another friggin' Bigfoot show.

I can take the Bigfoot Channel OK, but the next guy with bad hair that tries to lecture me on Ancient Alien Astronauts is gonna regret it.......

All the Ancient Alien Astronaut Theorists must die if the society is to survive. And you can quote me on that.

OF