Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by magicflight, May 16, 2009.
Wow, that was some quick answers from everyone
Wow, okay, thanks a lot everyone. I'll be avoiding this one.
Hey FC, first time posting but I've lurked a bunch in the past. Long time fan of the MFLB but I'm hoping to improve my MFLB experience and I had a couple of questions.
1. Can any of you recommend a plastic container for herb whose lip fits the exact circumference of the MFLB? I've seen pictures like this:
but I have no idea where to purchase something like that.
2. Can any of you recommend a carrying case that would hold all of the following: the MFLB, a few batteries, the battery charger, power adapter & grinder? The tin has been fine but I'm looking for something that can hold all of the accessories I use with the MFLB at once.
Thanks for your help!
You can get the batteries, battery charger, power adapter and grinder off magic-flight.com
At least I don't think you can buy the power adapter anywhere else.
Never understood the point of the plastic container. Can someone explain the use of this to me?
I meant a case that would hold everything, I have all those accessories already. Just edited to clarify. I use the plastic case to hold ground herb so I can quickly load trenches later and to hold ABV so I can use them for cooking. Also, sometimes it's not convenient to empty a trench into a garbage or somewhere around you so it's nice to have a place to put it in the mean time. I just wanted one that would fit the trench perfectly because I tend to spill a little product when loading and emptying a trench.
Try a craft store. Ii go to ccollectives and they use those little containers for kief/hash and sometimes for concentrates too. I can ask for an empty one or two. I found an 8 pack that was a bit bigger capacity for $1.99 at a craft store.
Thanks! I will definitely do that. You wouldn't happen to know the diameter of the MFLB trench, would you? I've been looking around my house for a ruler and googling for that info but I can't find either.
EDIT: Nevermind, I finally found a ruler. The diameter measures out to 1.25" so I can use that when I go looking, thanks again!
Vatra "Rocket"- 2.79- 7.99
You know where and how much!
Vatra "Flat padded bag" 2.99-9.00
Sony Cybercam case- 29¢ - 7.00
I also like the box it comes in.... and the black bag inside it for carrying!
Or.... you could go through your prescriptions, or someone else's old bottles and find about half of them, are the exact same size. Just make sure you clean them out first.
This is a public service announcement, from some moderately medicated dude.
If the tray is only conduction, why does it have a screen?.
From the looks of it, the tray is just replicating the normal magic flight screen, just with something under the porous screen to continue heating whatever drops down between the screen.
Like I stated earlier when people use concentrates they tend to not break it up, and this causes more heat to be used, but this isn't good for preventing the lower essential oils from degrading. Plus they use more then they need, which is a waste in the long run. Think of it like this, when you use a whole bud in a vaporizer you need more heat to get things going, then if you were to break it up as much as possible, so air can go through, and around it, for efficient extraction without the need for high heat. Remember we are just vaping trichomes. The same things that are on the bud, just a little more concentrated.
I said earlier the screen is probably there to break the surface tension of the oil so when it's in and heats up doesn't bubble out of the tray and into the box, then down the screen onto the floor of the box.
OK, it makes sense.
I still think, you might can use hash with it, if it's broken up finely, not packed too much, and spread apart, being that the tray still gets heated up. That hot air from the tray, and the magic flight screen, can travel to the hash, and heat it up. The tray will protect your regular screen from getting gunked up, than if you were to use the melty hash on the normal magic flight screen. Again the secret with hash is to use it like you would bud, and not throw chunks in it.
I have already tried this with the concentrate tray. It does not work very well.
Idk if my parole officer would approve of my affiliation with yall lol.
That's good to know.
I'm still not understanding why it wouldn't work though?.
The only thing I can think of is the hash wasn't broken up that well, but you stated you tried this, so the only thing I can think of is the speed of inhale is preventing enough heat to melt some parts of the concentrate being that the launch box doesn't hold heat very well. Remember a concentrate is a mixture of lower, medium, and high temperature boiling oils. This means if the concentrate isn't broken up well, and the heat is low, only the surface of the concentrate will boil, while the higher boiling substances won't, and they will block the other lower temp substances form being released that are in the core of the concentrate, due to covering them. This doesn't happen with bud because the trichomes are separated enough, and they are small while on the bud.
Vicki, can you try this technique out, and see how it works?.
1-You break up the hash into sizes close to sesame seeds,
2-Spread them apart so that they won't congeal onto each other
3-Heat up the box for 10-15 seconds, then take VERY LITE inhales. When I state lite, I mean you are barely inhaling anything into your mouth. You are inhaling so slow that your lungs aren't activated. All you are doing is SLOWLY bringing the vapor into your mouth. Do this for 10-15 seconds. Then do a deep inhale as you normally do.
Drink some water before the inhale so you don't dry out your mouth, and to cool the vapor down.
The concentrate tray is only hot on its surface.
hash is a solid, not a liquid, and can not "flow" onto a hot surface,
and cook to turn to vapor.
Hash no mater how finely ground is not liquid, and requires some type of air flow... or if conductive, a source of heat that is oven-like (like the MFLB without the tray!) or like an Iolite's chamber.
Here's a real one for a great price bongsno
And cases too
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...13&_nkw=magic flight launch box case&_sacat=0
Thanks for the suggestions everyone! I found these plastic containers and they look perfect! Just gotta verify with the company that the advertised diameter is of the case without the lid, since that is what will have to sit flush with the trench.
Also, as far cases go, I think something like this VapeCase is what I'm looking for. If I can't find anything comparable with a lower price tag, I'll probably just pull the trigger on that one.
Vitolo, you know I respect you, but hash is a solid when it is at room temperature, and melts when heat hits it. Now this applies to clean hash, that doesn't have plant matter in it like full melt hash. Also, hash that is full of essential oils tend to melt with low heat. When your hash doesn't melt, it's because it is full of plant matter. In that case you can use the regular launch box or any vaporizer. You just have break it up so the oils don't congeal, and block airflow.
Hash, and oil, are essentially the same it's just that oil is easier to make then hash. Bubblehash is well known because with the proper technique, and plants, you can get a clean melty hash similar to oil. You are using water to move the trichomes off of the plant, whereas with butane or other solvents they are extracting the trichome being that they are non-polar.
Anyway, much respect to you, and everyone else. I guess I will have to get the tray when it comes out to see what's up. Peace everyone.
Hash and oil behave very differently with some heat. For one, hash has a lot more plant matter. Solvent extraction through filters is cleaner and will vaporize cleaner and easier.
Cool, your time, your money. You asked, we answered. Three of us who've actually tried, all with the same (disappointing) answer.
This is a known thing. "Full melts" don't cut it. Bubble hash doesn't work. Water extracts don't. The foil test is valid I believe, nobody has found an exception. The same constraints are true with some other vapes that use the same system, but not with Volcano and others that don't (clue there).
By all means try it, but don't hold your breath?
"When 3 men in a row tell you you're drunk, it's probably time to sit down for a bit'.
I have seen full melt hash vape CLEAN, just like oil. When people make water hash, they tend to stir the water too much releasing a lot of trichome stalks, and dilute the trichomes. If they use broken plants, even more plant fibers dilute the trichomes. If you just agitate the water very little, make sure the plant stays UNDER the ice, you can get pure trichomes. I seen someone use ultrasonic method, and their hash was just like oil when heated up. The more popular water hash got, and dispensaries started calling their hash full melt, the more I started seeing low quality hash being pushed as clean hash. That is also when I started seeing oils become popular. Have you ever noticed how cheap the full melt hashes are compared to the oils, even though they are essentially the same thing?. It's because when most people sell full melt hash, they are selling their low quality hash, while keeping the real deal to themselves. If they did sell it, it would go for at least $65 a gram, but most people won't buy that, so that keep it for themselves.
Anyway, back to the original MFLB conversation. Have fun.
Oh, I tried a small ball of hash as well. Regular "solid" dispensary hash. Once. Every single other time has been with BHO. It just works a lot better. Hope they're cheap so you don't spend too much money experimenting
Perhaps charas will work, my understanding of it is that it's made while the plant is still in the ground and alive (by rubbing the colas between your hands and breaking the trichome heads) but the hash I tried wasn't too fun. JeeSee would probably be the first report of hand hash in the tray.
Take pictures and/or video if/when you attempt it, I'm curious to see how our experiences line up.
By the way, if you've got time to kill, I believe this is the Strain Hunters episode where they talk a lot about charas. It's so cool to see other cultures and how they utilize it.
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