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The Grasshopper

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by midgetsanchez, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. triskelion

    triskelion Tau Gamma Phi

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    I always keep an open mind on these vapes, coz I really don't understand everything about them yet.
     
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  2. Cheesequake

    Cheesequake MDE Never Dies

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    I've put my battery in backwards before and it definitely didn't damage the unit. If I remember correctly it just turned red until I unscrewed the back end. Turned the battery around and it worked fine again.
     
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  3. frank grimes

    frank grimes Well-Known Member

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    I’m sure. I’m without 2 hoppers because of that. That’s the real problem with the grasshopper design. Looks great but that’s at the sacrifice of any safeguards or protections any solid reliable product would have.

    If you don’t believe, all you got to do is try it yourself.

    Neither did I. Word of advice, don’t change batteries when you’re high. Twice I put in the batteries backwards when I was under the influence and it cost me dearly. Second time, I realized it just was I was tightening the backend onto the body but alas, it was too late....:(
     
  4. muunch

    muunch hotboxing the cockpit

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    Yup! I love this mindset.

    Speaking of; we now have had pictures of 'hopper backend, and PCB in the past few pages. There's not much else left to show of the 'hopper, aside from the heater now... and the only place I can find with a picture of the heater (in this review posted by @david8613 few pages back) leads to a dead link.

    (here: https://i0.wp.com/californiasea.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/grasshopper-heating-element.png)

    Would really love to get a better understanding of the heating mechanisms of this device. I'm also kinda interested, as that page says the 'hopper was once 30W - now it will be over double that? :science:
     
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  5. triskelion

    triskelion Tau Gamma Phi

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    So that is your challenge for me to believe you? To put my batt in reverse on my hopper?

    I think it's not the battery or the hopper. It's the when your high, my goodness @pakalolo where are you?
    Hehehe, just kidding.
     
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  6. guyonthecouch

    guyonthecouch Well-Known Member

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    @frank grimes

    "Hey, you ok Grimey?"
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  7. Raf

    Raf Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but this is false I have a stainless steel Hopper that I figured I could risk testing the strong bullshit feeling I was having on. I just put the battery in backwards and activated the device now when I turned it around it still works

    On the other hand, I can confirm that spiking your unit into the ground, clicky side down, with 3 lb of glass behind it will definitely break the back end
    I guess that was exciting for the stainless unit to come out of the box though, probably gave the old girl a thrill:rockon:
     
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  8. Vapor_Eyes

    Vapor_Eyes tripping off the beauty of it all

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    There’s a lot of lighthearted talk about this but for safety’s sake I would really like to know what would happen if you insert your battery backwards into your Grasshopper. I’m OCD and a bit paranoid in general so I always double check when changing the battery but it would be nice to know if I don’t have to do that.

    With so many different builds of the hopper possible and with multiple revisions to each component it might be impossible to say for sure.

    Recent info says it’s fine and nothing happens. In the past there was an incident by @MoltenTiger and possibly another one by @lovecrush , but that one looks like it may have been the result of a torn wrapper. I wanted to post about this recently but by the time I got here it got a little out of hand with that one guy talking about Reddit posts...

    @Hopper Labs: is there reverse polarization protection built into the device, has it been there all along, and if not when was it added?

     
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  9. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking about that just last night.

    I have combined my HT back end with my plain TI body (I thought the plain Ti unit was the device I was using when I had that hot reverse battery issue, but now I’m not sure as it was dated Sep. 2018 so it must have been my HT unit...) but anyway, my plain Ti has a 2019 or late 2018 (newer) heater design with older PCB, and the HT back end is a single clicker and looks holographic with it’s polychromatic finish. So combining both gets a single click on unit that’s a bit more powerful than my all HT set up.
    I’ve been getting amazing clouds with the Ti body and playing Halo Reach most of the week, heaps of fun.

    however, last night I decided to place a battery in backwards, not entirely sure why. But, it didn’t behave the same as last time. No LED illumination, no smells, no indication anything happened, although there was a mark on my brass plate on the back-end where the positive battery terminal was making contact. Probably mechanical scraping, but it left a silver circle which I then sanded off.

    So, I don’t know. Maybe I’ll reassemble the all HT and see if it does something different. It shouldn’t cause a catastrophic failure, although from what I was describing before, maybe it can.
     
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  10. Longen

    Longen Well-Known Member

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    @Hopper Labs My original hopper needs to be sent in, (once you guys are back up and running) serial GS004373. I'm presuming it will still get repaired?

    It has been back a couple of times, but when it was working it was definately my best vaporizer by far. I have also paid a deposit for a new hopper. Looking forward to seeing it milk my glass :-)
     
  11. Raf

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    That's really crazy reading those accounts above about what happened when batteries were put in reverse. I'm resisting hard to ask you guys how you can put one in backwards unless you did it in the dark or on purpose to see what would happen :hmm: ( it's okay, you don't have to answer, I didn't technically ask:lol:)

    For what it's worth, the stainless unit that I intentionally put the battery in backwards in last night was GS001777. I share this to rule out the possibility that new back-end safety improvements caused putting the battery in backwards not to blow up my device. I'll admit I was nervous clicking the button with the battery in reverse. Probably wouldn't have tried it (edit: indoors) if I had seen @Vapor_Eyes collection of historical posts. :o edit: the account of doing this repeatedly killing units over and over just did not ring true to me at all and I really wanted to prove it wrong, so yeah it was happening.

    This was one of the early devices which I purchased off eBay because I was behind the curve on finding out about the Indiegogo campaign. So I ordered a titanium off the website right away which took about a year to arrive and then picked up some stainless off eBay
     
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  12. Vaporific

    Vaporific All who wander are not lost...

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    Don’t do it intentionally. While I can’t recall I’ve ever done this, accidentally or otherwise, I’ve observed a few issues. Once I thought I put the battery in - and didn’t, there was none on the unit - and I attempted to screw the backend and put the clip in the battery chamber (easy enough a mistake) and red lights came on for a sec. Whoa! Similarly I accidentally tried to put the backend in upside down - button first - without a battery in and noticed red lights for a sec. Again, whoa!

    While one would hope there would be protection against reverse polarity (RUSH! -> Vital Signs :rockon:) the unit tends to conduct current without a batt in some cases. It’s odd but not surprised. I would never intentionally do this but just some random and accidental observations.:peace:
     
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  13. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    well I described it in more detail than I remembered in my post in 2018, but basically I was going to use a particular battery, and changed my mind, grabbed another and without looking slapped it in and spun the back end on. Near the end of the twisting is when I noticed something was amiss, but I just forced it on and that's when I ran into issues.

    Just a classic mistake that I had never thought about and chanced upon after years of trouble free battery swaps. Since then I have inserted a battery in backwards at least once that I can recall, and immediately ejected and switched it. I do normally pay attention, but sometimes the cost is too much.
    I'm also guilty of loading the top of my PFE instead of the chamber, several times, which is a classic too-stoned-to-need-more-but-I'm-going-to-try-anyway situation. And there was something else I did recently which either involved herb and the battery chamber or the battery and the herb chamber, but I really can't remember.

    You can't be this careless with most vaporisers, I always muse when introducing the Sub to people, especially after they have experienced it, how crazy it is to set something like that up, which can melt hair and cause serious burns, only to proceed to get fuck eyed using it. It's actually a little risky. But with little risk is little reward.
     
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  14. Raf

    Raf Well-Known Member

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    I hear you, I have loaded the front of end of a PFE at least 3 times. Thats near 0 brain level attention paying time for me tho, whereas with the batteries I'm always feeling a little alert

    I guess learning to drive with the thermovape cera taught me to fear batteries very effectively. I wonder what would have happened if you put one of those in backwards

    I want to believe that any grasshopper battery that failed had a torn wrapper. I've been walking around thinking these things had a hundred percent safety record. I think I was so relaxed from my lavender aromatherapy that I didn't really read the forum much during 2018
     
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  15. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    it's pretty annoying with all the resin that it sticks to, and you just sit there thinking, well.... I guess the product works well shiiit.

    It reminds me of watching people load up stems without a cone piece, then they realise 'oh shit', and everyone is sad because the mix is floating in bong water and stuck to death in a clogged stem. And the culprit is still next in line. Fuck combustion haha, fuck that mess.

    At least when you reload the chamber after scraping it out of a PFE it becomes super charged because of the added amber gold.
     
  16. Raf

    Raf Well-Known Member

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    Yeah accidentally loading the front of the PFE is a victimless crime, a personal Yao laugh face moment. No harm done, good times. Once you start loading the battery chamber tho, then yeah you need to rest for a while. Lol.
     
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  17. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    haha

    PFE more like
    [​IMG]


    I'm pretty sure whatever I did that was even stupider was mostly due to dabs and the Sub, which the GH goes so well with. Terpy headiness on top of something close to saturated ECS, sublime. But, very disfunctional.
     
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  18. Cheesequake

    Cheesequake MDE Never Dies

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    I don't see how that could have possibly happened unless you had it hooked to the charger as well. The hopper is an incredible device but I'm 99% sure it doesn't magically produce its own electricity.
     
  19. Raf

    Raf Well-Known Member

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    Maybe one of the circuits has a small capacitor on it? For me the technology here is sufficiently Advanced that I don't understand so it counts as Magic.

    What I have seen happen is while putting a new battery in a new Hopper, it would momentarily pulse red as if to say "that feels good". My friend and I were each independently having this happen with the new bodies. It seems like it's stopped doing that after a while. It makes me wonder if it's because the maximum capacity of my batteries has degraded beyond the point where the hopper is like: yeah baby, that feels good! when I put a freshly charged one in:hmm:

    Pulse was medium bright, then slow fade to black < 1 sec
     
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  20. Vaporific

    Vaporific All who wander are not lost...

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    I know but I recall exactly where I was when this happened
    - and it wasn’t connected to the mag charging cord, which I’ve only begun to use with minimal frequency as of late. It’s an extreme case, yes I was baked when it happened, but recall it well. Perhaps the unit had some residual charge built up sans battery in it but I recall seeing red lights for a second. It was very weird.

    Weekend regards to all. :peace:
     
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  21. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, this was my thought also.
     
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  22. frank grimes

    frank grimes Well-Known Member

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    Nope, no challenge. No need to be so sensitive.

    My statement should be taken at face value. If you don’t believe, you can try it yourself...or not. Don’t matter to me.
     
  23. Raf

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    Remember that scene in Temple of Doom where Indiana Jones is boarding the plane while the Chinese villains laugh and then it turns out their company name is printed on the side of the plane?

    I hope the battery factory tour goes well @Hopper Labs :D
     
  24. triskelion

    triskelion Tau Gamma Phi

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    My take is that the batteries that power these portable units are notoriously unstable devices and should always be treated with respect. we cannot be absent-minded about them. there are cooler ways to disagree with anybody's opinion, Peace.
     
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  25. david8613

    david8613 Well-Known Member

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    Is it bad to leave a battery in the hopper when not in use?
     
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