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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by midgetsanchez, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, mate....I often hesitate to comment on the reliability of my GH as I know so many others whose devices are not reliable at all.

    Hope they get you fixed up right, once and for all.

    Cheers
     
  2. Vapetrees

    Vapetrees Vaped Out

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    Mine too! I’ve never sent it back and all I had to do twice is take out the screen and clean the temperature sensor.
     
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  3. JoeMama

    JoeMama Well-Known Member

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    DISCLAIMER: I had not intended this to be so friggin' long. I really didn't mean this to be a treatise on the Revelations about Battery Performance over Time in the Real World. However, I think it's worthy of publication in either Science Today :science: ... or Psychology Today. :mental:

    @Baron23 that was really a helpful observation, thank you!

    I have been going through this same saga with my Ti's.
    I do exactly as you, with a 4-battery rotation in the Nicore.

    This made me realize something I would like to share, hoping it's a "useful awareness".

    • I'm on my second rotation of 4 batteries over the past full year (rough idea for purposes of my point).
    • I consume about 3 modestly-filled chambers per day, and desire/expect a respectable ABV color. Point being that the hopper is used all day, several to many times a day. I hit once/twice, and lay it down. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    Perhaps the #1 Frustration with the battery rituals is knowing when to swap batteries.
    When I'd decided to swap out the first rotation of batteries 5-6 months after I began with them, it was a pain in the ASS, and now I understand why: I was too hung up on the life of the battery as a measure of the battery's 'health', and ignoring maybe the other factor: performance when fairly charged.

    I'm sure someone out there can answer the question, "How many well-toasted chambers
    will a fresh GBH2 produce on a single charge?" Perhaps that is a "gold standard" against which a mid-life battery could be measured. Because I think that after mid-life, the battery might LAST (roughly) as long as a new one, but actually underperform, making the hopper look like the problem. Upping the Temperature to T5 is always an option, I suppose, but when one is not used to doing that for the first "3 months", one tends to avoid breaking that habit for the "last 3 months". And still, that doesn't answer the question of whether the hopper is the problem.

    Hence, my mind was blown: It's time to replace the batteries when I start really questioning whether I should do the RMA-dance. Throw a fresh battery in it. See what happens.

    So that's what I did. And like yours, @Baron23 , my hopper jumped right back to top-shelf hitting.

    Bottom line, for me, is, how much am I willing to put up with sub-standard performance? Pretty long, if I know it's not the Hopper, but just the battery getting tired.

    :tup:
     
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  4. Sonicboom1991

    Sonicboom1991 Well-Known Member

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    What symptom(s) would you notice that would prompt you to take the screen out to clean the temp sensor?
     
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  5. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    About batteries.... is it better to rotate between batteries or to use one until it shows some signs of failure?
     
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  6. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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    I rotate all and then in about a year of use I buy new ones but discharge and charge all my old and pick the best ones

    I don't think the hopper batteries are that bad, year of daily use with discharging and charging under demanding load

    Have had AAA batteries that crap out sooner from running my headlamps :)

    But think the quality of each battery is much more random then large manufacturers like Duracell and uhh Sony?

    I dont know any battery names
     
  7. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    I think its not GH loads but rather the number of discharge/charge cycles that impact capacity and, after a while, its seems to effect voltage output.

    It didn't even seem that insidious to me....seemed like my GH was working pretty ok and then went downhill rather quickly. On the other hand, if the decline was slow enough, I may not have noticed until performance was dramatically effected. By the by, even temp 5 wasn't cutting it with the old batteries and that's when I knew I had an issue.

    I don't use my GH as often as you, but I'm still thinking about 6-8 months (depending on usage) on a set of batteries and its time for new ones. $28 or so plus shipping....not a worry for me but for others, YMMV.

    I really love my GH and I suppose had taken it a bit for granted until I thought I was going to have to send it in for RMA at which time I was rather deflated. Its a perfect vape for me at 2 am with pain and need for relief and sedation. Quick and easy to load, heavy duty extraction, easy to empty and clean out.

    Cheers Joe, glad my experience was helpful to you.

    IMO, rotate them...why not. Why wait with a battery in the charger when you can just queue up the next one.

    Rotating will distribute charge/discharge cycles over a larger set of batteries, but I don't know that this would make any individual battery tolerate a larger number of charge/discharge cycles than just running one.

    I keep my GH in this case. One battery in the device, three on deck. When a battery dies, I take it out, take the next one in line, move them all up one spot, charge the depleted one and add it to the end of the queue. Makes it easy for me to keep track of them (and I'm at the age when CRS is endemic. LOL)

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    i just noticed today that one of my two GH's does not auto shut off at all and the other one auto shuts off like its supposed to. the one with the auto shut off that is working is not a model that will turn back on with one click after auto shutoff. so i have to click it to turn it off for real and click it again to turn back on. the one with the auto shut off not working is obviously a double click as well
     
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  9. CaptVapor

    CaptVapor Well-Known Member

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    Does Hopper Labs send an email after they've shipped or will the status change on my orders page? I know they are probably working through Black Friday orders but I'm just a little anxious! In an excited way, of course.
     
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  10. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    I got the same issue (I don't own the PFE) and I use a silicone tip from the old W9 EO cartridge. It fits very well and doesn't affect the look so much (unlike the GHL silicone mp). Mine was already used and doesn't seems to affect taste but, while new, maybe you'll get a faint silicone taste.... idk. Is somebody else used this tips?

    Works as a watertool adapter too (14mm).
     
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  11. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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    They are supposed to but sometimes overworked

    They forget to send it to me like every single time but then they have also shipped longed before I finally ask
     
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  12. Vapetrees

    Vapetrees Vaped Out

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    It would go straight to blue and not heat up. It happened twice since I’ve had it. However, once I gave it a really good cleaning the second time I haven’t had issues with it.
     
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  13. splitz

    splitz Well-Known Member

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    I'm done with this vape. I purchased and started using the PFE in June of this year. They claim it has nothing to do with my multiple failures.

    [​IMG]

    If there is anyone in Canada who wants to cover shipping, you are welcome to my hopper/PFE...hmu
     
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  14. CaptVapor

    CaptVapor Well-Known Member

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    Just to follow-up, I emailed HL and they said production is on halt as they are focusing on new quality control measures and bringing certain parts of manufacturing in-house. Sounds like they are aware of the failure rate and are working on a solution.
     
  15. Shieldsab

    Shieldsab Well-Known Member

    This past weekend, I put an order in for 3 new batteries as I'm down to one good one, and the super special whizbang hopper charger, since having a job lets me do that. I suspect this battery is going to have to hold out for a while since I don't mind it all shipping at once. But whenever it gets here I, like others I'm sure, will post impressions.

    I'm also glad I never sent my unit in for RMA. Now there's the Canadian option, and once the new process is sorted and the backup is cleared, I'll send mine for an upgrade.
     
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  16. DelaSheck

    DelaSheck Active Member

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    I'm feeling the same way as you. I am thinking of selling mine for a small amount with full disclosure of it's performance.
     
  17. sk8man121

    sk8man121 Frozen_Vaporent

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    Question: Is anyone else getting a strong metallic taste upon coughing when using the hopper?
     
  18. Justpassedu

    Justpassedu Well-Known Member

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    Hey all , just wanna chime in as i just got my 4th hopper recently. I had pre-ordered a stainless way back when they had the kickstarter and 1st started up , used it for a bit , it worked ok. I eventually sold it , got another stainless , had my fair share of issues , got it fixed than sold it. Than had a 3rd stainless for awhile that i got towards a trade and sold that one as it just never worked great for me. Now i am on my 4th , its a titanium and seems to work the best out of any i ever had. Not sure how long i will keep it for , but its working great so i will use it. I just wish battery technology moved a bit faster and we could get some cells that last awhile as i hate having to always swap out.
     
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  19. Sonicboom1991

    Sonicboom1991 Well-Known Member

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    I have never experienced this, but there was someone on the grasshopper sub reddit a while ago that has some machining residue on his pfe, maybe your experiencing something similar?
     
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  20. Cheesequake

    Cheesequake Well-Known Member

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    I had all kinds of problems with my hoppers but I miss it so much I bought a used one from another member. Really excited to have one again, just hope it lasts a while this time. Haven't found another vape since that milks up glass nearly as much.
     
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  21. Kermitt

    Kermitt Well-Known Member

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    I used to have a hopper too. I would also like to own one again, but I would rather wait until the devices are finally reliable. In the Vaposhop the Hopper is offered again and advertised as a kind of version 2. Since the shop has taken the hoppers out of the program due to the frequent defects, I wonder if the Hopper is really more reliable now.
    But I think I'd rather wait until there's actually a Grasshopper 2?
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2017
  22. johnnyCanuck

    johnnyCanuck Well-Known Member

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    I haven’t read otherwise but what is the update for Canadian RMAs? I first read on here that Hopper Labs was setting up a warranty plan so that Canadians didn’t have to ship defective units back to the Colorado.

    Then I read that warranties stay in Canada only if you bought through a Canadian vendor.

    Does anyone know what the current plan that is written in stone?

    Got a Dynavap M as a back up as my gh is flashing red/blue. Not bad, I’m really impressed by it, but I’m really missing the convience of quick discreet hits due to the hopper’s small footprint and quick heat up time.
     
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  23. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Really...they are aware they have reliability issues....gee, when did the light go on in their head.

    Wow....sorry, but this has been an issue for the entire time that the GH has been out.....when was first shipments....what...maybe 1 1/2 - 2 years or damn close to it??

    I love the device, I don't know what kinds of financial pressures or other limitations may have prevented Hopper from fully addressing this much earlier, but as a customer...I don't really care.
     
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  24. guyonthecouch

    guyonthecouch Well-Known Member

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    What has been an issue the entire time the GH has been out? That they're fixing all issues as they arise within their means? All that remains is the heater issue and that is a new problem.
    If the issues are as simple as you make them out to be someone else would've accomplished the tasks long ago. Extra extra manufacturing ain't easy..
    And what's your point about the launch delay, it was a crowd funded project (one of the more successful ones that i know of, big ups HL!). People seem to forget that the GH was not mass produced prior to the funding campaign. Expectations of a perfect functioning product from day one are completely unrealistic, for any company(Ghost, Vivant, S&B portables are still dealing with old ongoing issues, etc). Why don't we compare Hopper Labs to Evoke in this regard.. Hopper is much further along. I'm sure some of us would have preferred waiting a few more years just to get a 100% market ready vape but I personally am much happier having used the device for the past year+. The grasshopper destroys every portable on the market IMO by a mile. Another plus for it being manufactured in North America. It's tech/design are leagues ahead of the rest of the industry. The gh is part of me meow, I am one with the Hopper :borg:

    :peace:

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2017
  25. Cheesequake

    Cheesequake Well-Known Member

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    No, that their product is very unreliable and as far as anyone can tell they haven't done much if anything to improve that problem. Still people over a year after releease having multiple warranty claims within a few months is kind of insane.
     

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