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The Grasshopper

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by midgetsanchez, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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  2. MonsterWithoutBorders

    MonsterWithoutBorders Philosophim

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    Opinion wished for. Two grasshoppers. Newer one works well. Older one works but struggles to get even close to as hot as the newer one. It works at 5 pretty good. Should I return it cause it might be working within spec. I would like it too work as well as the newer one.
     
  3. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    I'm basically in the same boat. My one working unit is unable to get high temp ABV (which is probably 'normal' but I've had hoppers get sublimated level ABV and that's the most ideal for me.)

    I'm tempted to send it back, but I probably won't and will just send my other one back, and specify that I want it tuned to high temps.
    I'll let you know what they say.

    They've said before they have the scope to offer custom temps with their set up.
    I hope they can get there.

    As it is, or hopefully was - the service department is flat out and quite a few duds have leaked through. They've tightened operations apparently and have been basically pretty quiet lately on all their social media.
    I guess working on new accessories, which is a shameless cash grab.

    They ought to come up with a vapour heat sink and oils front end as an actual enticement for new buyers.

    on that note @biohacker I reckon the herbalizer bag adapter would work fairly well, similar to a glass dome but with a nicer 'mouthpiece'.
    However, because it's just a straight and wide path and relatively short, I think you'll find it will not cool it down to the most ideal level.
    I've used a 14f drop down, similar to my above set up, and it functions really well as a heat sink.
    That above set up works really well, but it still gets a bit warm.
    A length of silicone tubing with a 14f adapter would be pretty awesome, like a portable hookah, for the most ideally smooth dry hits.

    I plugged mine into the Sublimator tower, and that works pretty awesomely to get big smooth clouds dry. Even smoother than normal in that the GH forms more of a haze, as opposed to the rolling plumes from the sub.
     
  4. MonkeyTime

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    Soooo, a little update on this saga.

    My Ti hasn't been heating very well, usable, but only with certain batteries and only if I'm in a patient mood. The SS that I was talking about above sat for a few days, got a basic cleaning and has worked since, but again, inconsistently.

    Tonight I decided to pull the screen, was pretty easy. Problem is, I didn't take out my contacts until after I had pulled it, and I'm not sure which direction the screen goes back in :rofl: Damn these old eyes, but I'm so near sighted I can't function without glasses or contacts, with them I can't see near.

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    I'm pretty sure it's feet down, opposite of how it's pictured above, but I figured I'd check in before I cause myself extra work. Really did come out easy, just fished around blindly by feel with a dental pick and it pulled up after a try or two.

    Hey bio, I've tried something very similar to those balloon tips, and they help, but not as much as I'd like. I've still been using my 14mm female DDave cooler. I'm not wild about carrying glass, but it fits in my @Ratchett leather sleeve pretty nicely, so not terrible. I'm also trying out a 3D printed water piece, but it's for the OG tip and I'm not digging the draw restriction back. I do love that loader also 3D printed, works great.

    **Edit - @biohacker , I have used a 90 degree balloon -14mm female joint, basically what you show but a little longer, slimmer nozzle, it worked much better, but I wasn't wild about the 90 fitting, preferred the inline. Anything with much at all to break up the airflow will probably be enough.
     
  5. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Great pics,
    funnily enough I mentioned this before.
    hidden amongst the spiels
    So now there's some illustration, I can explain that those little tabs stop the screen from making contact with the heater shield.
    Normally the tabs sit directly on top of the white (previously blue) heater shield.
    The separation prevents some conduction, it's actually possible to have the screen positioned halfway in the chamber for smaller bowls


    ..
    also, I agree with your sentiments re: glass coolage
    Having the vapour path twist and deflect off surfaces is ideal for cooling the vapour down to the level of 'cool'.
    I think a 14mm J-Hook could be the ultimate option...
     
  6. MonkeyTime

    MonkeyTime Well-Known Member

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    Thank you kind sir, twice. Now that you pointed it out, I see you did answer my question before asked. I'm going to blame a new found love for my HBMaxx dry for this if you don't mind.
     
  7. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member

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    When out and about, and can't use water, it's what I use. I have the leather case from @Ratchett, and this piece fits in the doob tube storage pocket. It works great really for monster hits! Can finish a full chamber in 2 hits with it!

    Edit: I don't find the GH vapour to be too hot though ... I just find the mouthpiece to get way too hot so this solves that problem.
     
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  8. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    to be quite honest, if I could have been bothered with the walk to the pantry to get the medical pick I have in mind to most easily remove my screen, I would have provided the pics myself before, making the answer to your query actually find-able.
    So it was greatly convenient to see the images arrive after my lazy self and the forums editing time-out decided it too late to provide.

    Your pics also show some of the under the hood differences from the older model shown on the last page by @Hoey420
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    These older blue heater shields, with a different (though similar) sensor.

    The newer ones, as in the pics in the post above have a ceramic white heater shield and much neater soldered joins. The sensor is a blue colour on the newer units.

    This really is kind of meaningless, beyond indicating changes and seemingly overall genuine improvement.

    The brand new unit my friend got recently has been performing well, he says it heats up in "like 3 seconds" that it's "sensational :luv:" and "much more convenient than the EQ". He's finally quit combustion and it's really cool enlightening him on the ways to do so without missing out at all.

    Portable bong hits are a nicety that should be available without concern, and now that is a reality.

    I feel the hopper is a perfect unit that offers this and more, despite it's shortfalls it's quite versatile.
    The 'new unit' stories are from a brand new unit, and so the tune will change.

    I lent him my dead one whilst he was waiting for the 3 weeks from purchase to get it in Aus.

    That one was taking seriously a minute to turn blue, and it was a real piece of shit to get quality ABV out of. It took some technique (slow even tokes) and some time and effort.
    He still enjoyed that one, but is blown away with the proper thing, and at least has some experience for when things go to shit. And a back up vape, which I don't think will ever not be needed.

    But the quality has gotten better and when they're working nothing else is needed to be at a proper level.
    People so often complain that vapes don't get them high but the GH rips people to shreds and their eyes don't lie.
    I still think this is on another level compared to what's on the portable vaporizer market. It's the only product that's wholly designed, and it's pretty fucking impressive.

    The heater doesn't heat beyond the set temp.
    It's made using state of the art fabrication allowing previously unobtainable geometries generating 36mm of heating pathways into 4mm of space with it’s spiral shell design.
    The energy is efficiently contained, and although it gets uncomfortably hot it conceals insane heat density and won't burn you.
    It attaches to glassware directly.
    It's so small.
    The hits are huge.
    It's extremely stealthy and can be used in public, smell and conditions permitting.
    It's relatively one of the healthiest, safest vaporizers.
    It has a modest price.

    The only downside is that when it's not working perfectly, it's really disappointing.
    When it's not working at all, it's generally infuriating.

    But, because it's so small it's cheap to post, and services are free.
    Going from a vape that takes a minute to heat up, to the 3 second serviced version is surreal every time.
    This vape has a dreamy feature set, something that was assumed impossible.
    Now it's realised with some stumbles and shortfalls, I really think it's an insanely great product that is more worthy of market share.

    I feel like the new vape offerings beyond RBT and small business are lacking much needed innovation, and deserve to be overlooked or criticised (properly) and scrupulously in the name of improving off-gas selection, a la vaporisation.

    But really, I know I'll be happy to continue using my hoppers for the years to come before there's anything that properly even competes with what they offer.

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-grasshopper.18482/page-239#post-913377
    That post signifies their proper capability, I am glad not to be missing out on it.
    Although I am missing out on getting ABV that dark from the hopper currently :doh:
    It's a bit superficial, as I'm still getting even ABV and great results.
    Just more hits per chamber, less chambers per battery, and dark tan colour. Dark brown ABV I prefer, and know I'll eventually be getting it with a hopper (my one that is dead now, not sure exactly it's still AWOL, was performing best and when I got it after its last service, I'll be using it over the one I have now..)

    It's not needed to have two, and now the RRP is so high, it's not worth it.
    But it's a good time. It's for sure worth it to get at least 1 though.
    If you enjoy cannabis, it's hard not to enjoy a hopper.
     
  9. snorcan

    snorcan Stay charged, my friends

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    @biohacker I'vet got the PV ballon bag 14mm adapter and it is fantastic!
     
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  10. snaffle

    snaffle Well-Known Member

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    It depends on what you sort of dry use you want. I use it dry, and it's fine, but you can't do back-to-back hits, you need to wait maybe 30 seconds for it to cool properly (this is with Ti, too, so SS probably would be longer). To be honest I never really minded the draw restriction of the original mouthpiece, so if I wanted to use it dry a lot I'd probably just stick to that. But if you want freer flowing vapor, and to hit and hit and hit until done, then yes, you'll need some cooler.
     
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  11. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    That final ABV looked way too dark for my liking, and certainly at a top temperature of 210c looks hotter IMO. I long for the days of my OG GH's, that worked like a dream until they didn't. What I actually liked was the slight restriction from too much resin build up! lol It actually was like an airflow "regulator" like my sv3... you can't get around it, but instead join it and don't try to over power it. ABV was always an awesome medium brown, but never that overly dark which makes the vapour taste bad. Once RMA's were completed, they must have cleaned out the resin because you may remember I was raving about the open airflow. However, because of this I really had to focus on slowing my draw, and it would create that ultra dark brown gross tasting ABV on temp 5.

    I'm really getting confused with what HL has been offering regarding custom temp profiles (hot hoppers cooler running hoppers), algorythms changing....top temps changing slightly... they've been quiet now for a while.... with the exception of advertising.

    That was my issue in the past....I have huge lungs and take massive back to back hits, and have burned my lips bad twice. For out and about dry, yes I NEED that PFE because stock FE is way too restrictive for my tastes, and feels like it's too damn hard to get a proper massive hit. Thanks for your feedback man!
     
  12. sk8man121

    sk8man121 Frozen_Vaporent

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    Alright guys. Can we talk about off-flavors here seriously for a minute?

    TL;DR, I've essentially gone through 10 RMAs that have resulted in at least 4-5 different SS hoppers coming through my hands. The one I currently have rolling seems to be operating properly, which is a miracle in itself.

    That said, every one of them has been characterized by a taste I can only describe as astringent, bitter and metallic—something that none of my other (pretty big collection of) vapes has ever produced. I've tried soaking the mouthpieces in alcohol, soaking up to the holes, switching to the PFE, experimenting with different temps etc., and there is just seemingly no way to get this top-note of poison out of my hits.

    Does the TI model not have this taste? Have people been able to mitigate it in SS hoppers? At base value, it ruins the experience (the herb I get is of utmost quality and terpiness), but taking things further, it heightens my anxiety about potential health risks that might be associated with whatever is causing this taste to occur.

    Anyway, I feel like this has been pushed under the rug a bit. My Vapcaps (fully metal) taste like the nectar of the gods in comparison, and quite frankly, that's fucked up.
     
  13. Mr. Me2

    Mr. Me2 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for sharing your experience(s) with us, @sk8man121 !

    With so many RMAs, you are a unique source for this type of info.

    I admit that I have a poor sense of smell which also affects my taste sensitivity. Having said that, I don't share your experience with the ss. I've tried a ti and another ss and don't recall that either.

    I'm curious to read others opinions to see how things stack up.

    You may want to start a separate thread in Ask FC to expand on this and for a vape comparison. I'd love to hear about your other vapes experience, but this thread just isn't the place...

    And btw, I'm sorry your gh's have treated you so poorly!
     
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  14. snaffle

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    AFAIK they have never offered custom temperature tuning, just mentioned it in a reddit AMA as something they could do, in the future, maybe. They have tuned their temperatures to be more consistent and hard-hitting, apparently, which I suspect is one of the reasons more RMAs seem to be coming back good. But I don't think they officially offer a "we'll tune this however you like" service, and given that it sounds like the oven is quite complex to drive I don't expect they'd ever offer much beyond "this will take you to the brink of combustion" or "this will max out somewhat before that".

    Ah, OK, yeah, definitely go for extra cooling then. I just watched your recently posted GH milk video from the milk thread, and yes, no doubt you have plenty of lung capacity to burn your lips off with the PFE in no time if you put your mind to it ;)

    @sk8man121 the Grasshopper was my first decent vape, so I didn't realize until I got an Omnivap, but I agree the flavor could be better. I have a Ti hopper. I'm not sure the flavor I get off it tastes metallic, more that I don't get as much taste compared to the Omnivap. I'm not really sure why that is, maybe it's because of the hotter vapor making it harder for me to taste? Have you tried comparing the taste with and without the silicone mouthpiece? I wonder whether the metallic taste you're getting is more caused by your lips tasting the metal, rather than some metal fumes somehow getting into the vapor path. Because that doesn't sound likely to me. My guess is that it's the temperature of the vapor that causes this effect. I'm interested to hear others' opinions.
     
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  15. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    You're not the first person to bring up the "metallic taste" and if anyone is sensitive it's me. Yet, for some weird reason I have never tasted it myself in my experiences with hoppers in the double digits. Wonder if it's a QC thing?

    They did say they changed things and the temps did not align with what they were advertising, and that the temps were all "slightly higher" or something. I was dead sure that they would dial it in to your preferences, but who knows it sounded like they were just struggling to get air at the time, and now their presence vanished from that other place. Must be busy where it counts! Horror stories have quelled significantly from what I have seen.

    Thanks man, appreciate you being able to connect the dots and not just cry you're doing it wrong it's fine you can't burn your lips like so many others!

    I now have the claisen(s) but not the 4 hoppers needed! :rofl:
     
  16. sk8man121

    sk8man121 Frozen_Vaporent

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    I'm tempted to buy a TI hopper to find out.
     
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  17. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Go for it! Shipping times are 2-3 days now down from 1 week just a day ago.
     
  18. sk8man121

    sk8man121 Frozen_Vaporent

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    How have things been quality-control wise with the new TI hoppers? If I have another handful of RMAs in store the way I have with their SS models, I can't justify the buy.
     
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  19. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    yeah I'd agree it looks over 210c.
    My hopper currently is incapable of producing ABV that dark, which is probably ideal.
    But I prefer having too dark on the spectrum so I can dial it in right below it.
    It definitely impacts the flavour going to those extreme temps, and begins to blur the lines between vapour and smoke (though nothing like charring does).

    I think a smooth and even draw is the secret to big clouds, but I have noticed a slower drag will allow for a higher temp. It's easy to hold it steady, but I'd guess it's not as able to keep up as the flower pot.

    It's nice having a narrow mouthpiece with the hopper, a 10mm male joint is pretty decent. But also check out drip tips for eVape tanks. I think this is @freshly baked's herbalizer mouthpiece fitting the PFE

    And this is via reddit
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    Lots of options to easily and compactly make the GH cooler.


    In terms with the metal flavour, I've never noticed much flavour or smell from any hoppers except for slight metal taste from the SS PFE and my original GH smelled of cicuitry/solder after I'd left it for months and months, which was a little disconcerting, but I assume had to do with the failure of the device (it had combusted before) I actually got it working again, off-gassed it and got a few last hits out of it before sending it away (it was the last working body I had). It didn't last long.
    Anyway, my understanding is that there's plenty of metal in the air path, and there's nothing to isolate the air from the PCBs. I haven't tasted anything or noticed anything that's made me too concerned, and really as long as it's used properly it would pose minimal risk beyond the innate exposure from vaping in the first place.
     
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  20. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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    That Drip tip thing is mighty interesting! How good is the seal?

    Short Google image search has me wondering about this magical new path
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    Those drip tips must have a standard width?

    @MoltenTiger looks like nearly endless selection of different styles
     
  21. guyonthecouch

    guyonthecouch Well-Known Member

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    Standard size is 510, but funny enough they don't all fit snug in the PFE so I'd suggest finding a local store and bringing in your pfe to size it properly.

    This is my favourite non water tool method of use, driptip + PFE. Selections are endless but avoid metal pieces as they will still conduct heat from the PFE which we're trying to cancel out.
     
  22. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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    @guyonthecouch thanks for the ... TIPS! Huuuu huhuhuh

    But seriously thanks because I would have bought a metal one straight away :D

    Now I want a wooden one that curves backwards! I mean
     
  23. Treebeard

    Treebeard So it goes.

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    Thanks for the advice, but im afraid im still getting the same results. I did get the screen out and cleaned the surface beneath the screen with a Qtip covered in 91 percent iso. They were pretty dirty. It looks like 3 little nipples down in the chamber that produce the heat? i dunno. Either way I think ill just have to send it in. Damn vapes are so finicky but its still a solid piece of engineering.
     
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  24. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the fit is mostly reliant on the o-ring.

    I have two small metal drip tips. One fits alright, the other is too loose. Both will seal and work but only one stays in. I guess I could swap out the o-ring to get it to fit snug.

    One is Aspire brand that fits, the other is Kanger tech which does not.

    Metal is alright, I'd recommend getting a long bent one


    ....
    That's too bad @Treebeard sounds like RMA is required :(
     
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  25. JoeMama

    JoeMama Well-Known Member

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    I had the exact same situation a few months ago, and I went with sending them back. In fact, I sent one to GH while keeping the other until the first one came back. IN EACH CASE, they upgraded what was outdated. One wasn't getting as hot as the other, so one had been repaired, but the one I sent back with a charger that wasn't working well, and they told me they updated the parts jus because.

    So, yeah, do it, ya got nothing to lose!

    My recent experience (see above) was excellent.
     

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