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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by midgetsanchez, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. sk8man121

    sk8man121 Frozen_Vaporent

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    I'm tempted to buy a TI hopper to find out.
     
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  2. biohacker

    biohacker fully melted

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    Go for it! Shipping times are 2-3 days now down from 1 week just a day ago.
     
  3. sk8man121

    sk8man121 Frozen_Vaporent

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    How have things been quality-control wise with the new TI hoppers? If I have another handful of RMAs in store the way I have with their SS models, I can't justify the buy.
     
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  4. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    yeah I'd agree it looks over 210c.
    My hopper currently is incapable of producing ABV that dark, which is probably ideal.
    But I prefer having too dark on the spectrum so I can dial it in right below it.
    It definitely impacts the flavour going to those extreme temps, and begins to blur the lines between vapour and smoke (though nothing like charring does).

    I think a smooth and even draw is the secret to big clouds, but I have noticed a slower drag will allow for a higher temp. It's easy to hold it steady, but I'd guess it's not as able to keep up as the flower pot.

    It's nice having a narrow mouthpiece with the hopper, a 10mm male joint is pretty decent. But also check out drip tips for eVape tanks. I think this is @freshly baked's herbalizer mouthpiece fitting the PFE

    And this is via reddit
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    Lots of options to easily and compactly make the GH cooler.


    In terms with the metal flavour, I've never noticed much flavour or smell from any hoppers except for slight metal taste from the SS PFE and my original GH smelled of cicuitry/solder after I'd left it for months and months, which was a little disconcerting, but I assume had to do with the failure of the device (it had combusted before) I actually got it working again, off-gassed it and got a few last hits out of it before sending it away (it was the last working body I had). It didn't last long.
    Anyway, my understanding is that there's plenty of metal in the air path, and there's nothing to isolate the air from the PCBs. I haven't tasted anything or noticed anything that's made me too concerned, and really as long as it's used properly it would pose minimal risk beyond the innate exposure from vaping in the first place.
     
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  5. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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    That Drip tip thing is mighty interesting! How good is the seal?

    Short Google image search has me wondering about this magical new path
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    Those drip tips must have a standard width?

    @MoltenTiger looks like nearly endless selection of different styles
     
  6. guyonthecouch

    guyonthecouch Well-Known Member

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    Standard size is 510, but funny enough they don't all fit snug in the PFE so I'd suggest finding a local store and bringing in your pfe to size it properly.

    This is my favourite non water tool method of use, driptip + PFE. Selections are endless but avoid metal pieces as they will still conduct heat from the PFE which we're trying to cancel out.
     
  7. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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    @guyonthecouch thanks for the ... TIPS! Huuuu huhuhuh

    But seriously thanks because I would have bought a metal one straight away :D

    Now I want a wooden one that curves backwards! I mean
     
  8. Treebeard

    Treebeard So it goes.

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    Thanks for the advice, but im afraid im still getting the same results. I did get the screen out and cleaned the surface beneath the screen with a Qtip covered in 91 percent iso. They were pretty dirty. It looks like 3 little nipples down in the chamber that produce the heat? i dunno. Either way I think ill just have to send it in. Damn vapes are so finicky but its still a solid piece of engineering.
     
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  9. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the fit is mostly reliant on the o-ring.

    I have two small metal drip tips. One fits alright, the other is too loose. Both will seal and work but only one stays in. I guess I could swap out the o-ring to get it to fit snug.

    One is Aspire brand that fits, the other is Kanger tech which does not.

    Metal is alright, I'd recommend getting a long bent one


    ....
    That's too bad @Treebeard sounds like RMA is required :(
     
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  10. JoeMama

    JoeMama Well-Known Member

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    I had the exact same situation a few months ago, and I went with sending them back. In fact, I sent one to GH while keeping the other until the first one came back. IN EACH CASE, they upgraded what was outdated. One wasn't getting as hot as the other, so one had been repaired, but the one I sent back with a charger that wasn't working well, and they told me they updated the parts jus because.

    So, yeah, do it, ya got nothing to lose!

    My recent experience (see above) was excellent.
     
  11. Vapetrees

    Vapetrees Vaped Out

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    This reply made me happy. I don't have to send any back but it gives me peace of mind. @Hjalmark Maybe @Alan can make you one made of wood, or @EDSTNT
     
  12. Mr.Sifter

    Mr.Sifter Well-Known Member

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    says who and why ?
     
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  13. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Says me for good reason.

    Most of the renowned vapes here fall under the same category I've given the hopper, but there are certainly plenty of questionable practices in this industry which thrives from a lack of regulation.

    Certainly with most products similar to the hopper, of which no renowned device is, there are a plethora of health concerns spawning from material choice and heating dynamic.

    I assume you've heard the phrase 'robot fart' before.
     
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  14. Mr.Sifter

    Mr.Sifter Well-Known Member

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    Which vapes do you consider harmfull?

    To be clear:
    There are no healthy vapes.
    They are way less halmfull than smoking. Thats all.

    Storz and bickel products got Euro TÜV approved.
    They only vapes i know of.

    Sure the hopper is a new device witch cutting edge technology.
    But again, what makes you think the materials and the air vapor path is safe and there is no thermo off gassing?
     
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  15. Gramin

    Gramin Well-Known Member

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    Been a while since I posted here. Been meaning to ask if getting gunk inside the PFE is a common problem? Like I'm scraping sticky goo with a toothpick a lot and vaping it again.

    I kinda miss the gold goo the original mouth piece gave. The PFE is showing no signs of this build up I'm guess it's because it's letting all that goodness through.
     
  16. biohacker

    biohacker fully melted

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    Going down a rabbit hole here buddy, probably not the place for it IMO.

    The MiniVap is an approved medical device with all its seals, as is the Mighty and Volcano Medics. Here in Canada the Mighty has been approved by some insurance companies for legit patients.

    Let your conscience be your guide. What REALLY is safe these days? EVERYTHING causes cancer! Even breathing lol However, just from my personal perspective - if I detect robot fart, bad taste, smell, etc. that vape is OUT for me. I've experienced it with other portables (from longstanding companies), but not the GH. Health is just too important for me to take a chance. But I don't worry about the safety of the GH, although people's reports of metallic taste does concern me somewhat, but some people can "taste" stainless in a screen but there is no way in hell that I can.

    Yep, from what i've read here it appears that it's pretty easy to clean, but get gunks up fast.
     
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  17. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    I consider vapes 'harmful' if they have unsuitable materials in the air or vapour paths.

    Robot farting vapes are generally Chinese rebrands which I've never fucked with so without first hand experience I don't have a go to model to bastardise.
    I've read of multiple accounts of this happening frequently, and I have been told by an honest reviewer that there have been products identified as dangerous by chemical analysis. I don't actually know which ones, I wasn't told. It sounded like it could have been someone as big as Boundless or Flowermate but that's speculation.

    The same as my opinion from my whimsical review, speculation.
    I'm not a toxicologist and don't claim to be, but common sense dictates that if something tastes dangerous and is obviously unrelated to the necessary phytochemicals desired, then there is additional risk posed when infusing it directly into our blood streams.
    I'm not an expert on pulmonary function, but the lungs I'm pretty sure don't have much in the way to filter chemicals from entering the blood stream and so when we start concentrating and inhaling materials, we are doing so beyond the realm of health science.

    I don't clame vaping is safe, a further quote from me on this topic would be me claiming the metal taste from an SS PFE is nothing to be concerned with beyond the innate risks of vaporising.

    However, I think it's pretty clear that vaporising is only minimally risky.

    I say this coming from the cleanest air on the planet, my innate health risk to inhalation is as low as is possible on the planet.

    I smoked for 5+ years, and there is no question that that had severe detrimental effect on my respiratory and overall health. No question, coughing up black tar and blood is a pungent answer to any query I had about how undesirable it is to do something so desirable.

    That's why I made the switch.

    I have been vaping at (it might even be more) the same rate as I was smoking for 2.5 years.
    The difference is not just marginal, it is extreme.

    Even still, vaping undeniably poses additional risk compared with a subject who does not do anything beyond breathe clean air.

    Here is where it gets interesting.
    I've been to Beijing, and the status of the air pollution there is off the charts. It's an easily observed problem, both because you can't see fuck all and at the end of the day you can blow your nose to a clean tissue to reveal black sludge.

    An apples and oranges comparison famously coups that a day there is the equivilant to smoking two packs of cigs. Incidentally a lot of that is happening over there as you could freely smoke anywhere basically.

    Additionally to those ideas, you have the fact that cigarettes contain radioactive isotopes because the tobacco plant readily absorbs this uranium derivative from the soil fertilizers used, and it builds up in the leaves, which are then harvested and consumed.

    The biggest risk of smoking is touted as cancer, when the dynamics of smoking generally induce radioactive sludge trapped into and interacting with cells.

    The difficulty with proving that vaporising is 'healthy' is inundated with complexity and the general reality that it will almost definitely be riskier than breathing clean air, which so few people are able to do.

    Ultimately health is a business. No fact is unheard of and these realities are fuel for big scale money and have been knowledge for decades.

    Storz and Bickle I can guarantee generated those studies for marketing potential, and since then there has been minimal imposed by product designers as that stance has already been generated and is leveragable.

    The difficulty is that has allowed an amassment of products, and possibly majority market share, to be cheap and 'dangerous' or at the very least 'riskier than a Grasshopper'

    The guys at hopper labs have made an effort to choose materials carefully, and they have announced that their choices include a large margin of safety for their users.

    They of course aren't promoting their device as 'healthy', and neither have I, as it's a logical fallacy although for the most part 'true'.
     
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  18. Mr.Sifter

    Mr.Sifter Well-Known Member

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    this is some kind of double standards.

    you "believe" hopperlabs more ? As you say "they made an effort".
    S&B has gone through scientific studies to proof it.

    But i must agree as you say "health has become a business"
     
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  19. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    S&B were never in the discussion when I made comments about the standard of the hopper being relatively safer.

    If HL got lab tests, it would also be for their benefit, not ours.
    What I said before was a bit daft perhaps, I can't guarantee S&B did anything.
    For all I know it was insurance companies, like in Canada as biokhacker mentions, who financed tests - but either way it's for marketability. Which is not shocking in anyway, or necessarily a bad thing. That it happened at all is great, but the motive is money not safety.

    I've found no reason not to believe Trevor from Hopper Labs. He willingly did an 'ask me anything' and made many fair statements, and the entire history of HL and details of everything in and about the device has been available constantly.

    I'm not trusting him much by believing him on this instance regarding the materials and how they can easily sustain the working conditions of the most considered vape design.
    Maybe the VapCap is equally considered, both contain invaluable intellectual property and both are insanely great.

    The S&B products are very great, but not insanely. That said, I believe them when anyone says they are safe devices. I've used them and seen their inner workings.
    Same as the Pax 1, 2, 3.

    The Solo is reasonable even though it has exposed PCB to the airpath, same as the hopper.

    Only in my country does solder contain lead still, it flows better in its molten state and the mix is nicer to use. But even that wouldn't actually pose risk in these instances.

    Everything's a business.

    The Ghost MV1, I have queried Bud my alarm at the dynamic and material choice.

    The company is well protected and actively opposes safe materials practice in my opinion.

    A big difference between the shitty coil and the advanced shell heat exchanger between both devices, is the shell heater is capped at the set temperature. A coil must be cranked up to glowing temperatures, well above target temps, in order to transfer ample energy to remotely heat with convection from moving air. Why do you think a heat sink is arguably not needed with the GH. Both work very functionally similarly, a bit of a Samsung type of arrival albeit, but only one has a Stainless Steel enclosed chamber, medical grade brass heater, inert and advanced insulation and a design amply able to cope with temperatures well above the working conditions.

    Not just Trevor's word or my word are enough to declare this, but the device speaks for itself.
    I think HL have taken a considered approach to what is for me, a life saving device. It's their passion. They are not a hype machine or copy cats out to make a quick buck. I do trust what they say, but I value what they've apparently done more.

    I'm still waiting to hear what type of silicone is in the MV1 from the engineers at Ghost Herbal Concepts (ltd) but I personally find it hard to believe they have a dyed, food-grade polysiloxane material that can sustain temperatures the device is capable of producing, given that clearly it has a glowing coil heater and silicone in the air and vapour path.

    That is the underlying reason I mentioned what you quoted earlier as a valid point in the GH's favour, but I don't hold any manufacture to a different standard.
    The fact the Volcano has scientific credence as to its medicinal potential is most excellent, and it has given substance to the idea that vaping is so clearly more beneficial than smoking.

    What's needed properly, is some regulation where some third party gives a tick of approval to any acquirable device in order to validate the intent of the product designers and manufacturers, to deliver us the healthiest option feasible.

    It's kind of the whole point of vaping, and why I think including it on my list of pros before was worthwhile. There's really no point buying a vape unless it's confidently safe, as it could be argued that smoking is safe.

    Confidence is showing all the components of the device and talking about them in detail.
    Arguing is saying you'll take legal action against anyone exposing real concerns and denying questionable material is even there!

    No one is truly ever safe, but we can make things better for ourselves.

    Edit: sorry these posts are so long winded btw. The kief in my had me convinced this was a short response but you know how it goes. Well, my bad
     
  20. Hjalmark

    Hjalmark Oldest boy alive

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    Taking a nasty "after unhealthy video game session" shit in an apartment of a friend.
    Hung over, burned out and recently re-did (vapes) heading to the train to go home and you folks just write to long posts for me to read at this stage

    :zombie::zzz::shit:
     
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  21. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Sorry champ, I got a bit carried away last night.

    Occasionally I'll jot down a serious spiel and delete it because it's embarrassingly long.

    Every now and then it's a hard decision between keep or delete lol

    I guess I enjoy a good rant.
     
  22. biohacker

    biohacker fully melted

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    @MoltenTiger always appreciate your thoughts, and taking the time. As for @Hjalmark holy shit bro way too much information! :puke:
     
  23. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    Here's a better pic of the inside of my GH where the battery sits. This is looking down inside. It was repaired and I recieved it back almost 2 weeks ago.

    It looks different than before with the metal fittings inside and the different area surrounding - the black area, looks like a rotary dial. That's a copper colored metal in the middle. I'm sure it's a different unit all together because I could tell by the outside. My other unit had a small scratch by the clip.

    I have some GraoeApe in my GH right now. I haven't had any issues at all with it. I'm very relieved and happy to have it back.
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  24. SilentRunner

    SilentRunner Well-Known Member

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    My first warranty request with VapoShop in Amsterdam went very smoothly. They even sent the replacement before I returned my broken vape. Nice. But this time they were out of stock and I sent it to Hopper Labs. HL offers free shipping for accessories when they send back your hopper. So I ordered a PFE. Will these drip tips fit into the PFE?

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/510...ackage-7-colors-for-optional/32672292557.html

    Also what is the usual turnaround time for warranty requests?
     
  25. biohacker

    biohacker fully melted

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    It's usually at the Labs for about 1 week, plus shipping time. But it can vary from a couple of days, up to about a week, and rarely longer than that. Their online rma process is pretty good at letting you know its status, and you can always message Caroline with any questions or order for accessories (there is a limit for shipping, I think it's 3 batteries for weight).
     

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