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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by midgetsanchez, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. newVaper420

    newVaper420 Vapor Enthusiast

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    It was always my assumption that the Vaporpedia entries were supposed to be your faqs for the vaporizer but I see they really haven't been updated in a long while. Maybe I'll start to make one for the grasshopper.
     
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  2. °k

    °k The sound of vapor

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    Pardon me for not searching more than with my unfruitful quick thread search but I need to ask: has anyone heard anything about the GH case please?

    I've been waiting for this very advanced piece of technology design to become final and get produced...
     
  3. balarama

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    Wow, just got my GH vape. Actually two as i ordered one for a bro.
    First some observations, the two are both SS models but have a slightly different finish, one is more polished, the other looks more matte. But that's just aesthetics.
    Another thing i noticed is the clicking sound when heating up, it seems to be a bit louder in the polished one, but it gets quieter if turned horizontally. I wonder if it's normal or not, i suppose the heater gets heated with pulses for better energy consumption but to be honest i was expecting a silent operation. It's not a problem for me, as long as it works fine otherwise.

    Heat up is awesome, two to max three seconds and it's time for action.
    On demand heating should become the new standard for vapes.

    Haven't tried it with herbs yet, so can't say more.

    Looks amazing, very elegant and well thought design, i wonder if overheating will be an issue but i think with my way of using it there won't be real problems.

    This is gonna be a good weekend, no doubt:)

    Cheers
     
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  4. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I get it. We are all so very busy people as we spend time posting on a vaperizing board.

    Yes, all of the answers are in this thread.....all 372 pages of it.

    Thanks guys.:rolleyes:
     
  5. subway13029

    subway13029 Well-Known Member

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    @Baron23 do you have a hoppet yet? I bought a used and that the good lord for couple awesome members here helping out with the warranty aspect so im shipping it to hopper todwy. They wanted the unit the battery and the charger. So who knows what up..i only got a few wispy hits and i was convincing myself thats how ot performed but it got worse..then i saw vids and ive got a lot of vape experience and most use the same variqbles to operate. I was just wonderi g with the button clicking on and off that it had a technique or something but i just had a bad unit..nothing like the videos and reporfs of madsive clouds..haha
     
  6. Mister G

    Mister G Deceptively Old Fart

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    There has been no change to its current status for many months now.
     
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  7. TheWhisper

    TheWhisper Well-Known Member

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    People need to submit useful information to the Best Of section. That's where informative posts are supposed to be reproduced for easy browsing, but nobody submits posts...
     
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  8. Vapetrees

    Vapetrees Vaped Out

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    Yeah I actually was pretty busy yesterday as my niece was graduating from High School. Otherwise I would've answered all your questions. Patience man, patience you came off pretty harsh. :peace: Also, you can google anything about the GH and after write site:fuckcombustion.com and it will only search this site. :tup:
    • Ground should be coarse or chunky? Or doesn't it matter? It really doesn't matter unless you want a bit less clouds, chunks, or more clouds and a bit less flavor medium grind.
    • Doe orientation matter (e.g. straight up or down vs horizontal...didn't seem to make a difference to me. Orientation doesn't make a difference.
    • I started at 3.5 and liked the taste very much. Bumped up to a little over 4 and got a bit of a burnt taste although absolutely no combustion shown in AVB. What temp do you like for nicely dried herb and do you ever taste a bit of popcorn? I start my Ti at 1 and then move up to 3, and finish at 4.6 as that's before the popcorn taste starts. On my SS I have to start at 3 to be equivalent to a 1 on my Ti, then go to 4, and finish at 4.6. I only go to temperature 5 if I'm going through water as I don't get that popcornalmosttateburnt taste.
    • I turned the vape on and off for each hit. Given the auto shut off timer, heat, etc this seems like the way to go. Comments? I like to take a hit and click it off mid draw, if you take shorter hits it can be less harsh and you can stretch out the bowl for longer "sessions."
     
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  9. kingfisher

    kingfisher Well-Known Member

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    I guess I don't understand the fuss about grind. Maybe because I haven't had the ability to get much of a varying grind. I have a grinder and it mashes the bud up. The gh then works. Pretty straight forward.

    The only guidelines are not too small. Also You want more surface area for convection, seems like common sense.

    Maybe other vapes are more specific?? I've always just used ground stuff for a vape and never really had an issue..
     
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  10. jabba

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    I've never held a GH...but I've read the reviews and seen the photos. It would seem that a fine grind placed in the GH chamber would allow material bits to fall below the built in screen? Under that screen must be the heating element...and beneath that must be battery. Surely (even if hand ground) some of the smaller bits would fall through to the heater area? I'd also think the small bits would pull through the opposite screen (closer to mouthpiece) and end up in your mouth? Again...I haven't used one of these devices....but this has been the nagging question in my mind. The built in screen holes are not tiny (appearing) so it seems clear that bits would fall below the screens?.....never to be fully cleared out/cleaned? Any clarification appreciated.
     
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  11. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that was my understanding also. This unit is working great...really solid and no funny stuff so far. But given failure rate of newly introduced products, I don't know about buying without warranty. Got to give it some thought as I am really liking this vape based on my limited experience so far with it.

    Just charged it view the magnetic induction charger and all went well....no hot back end, lights did exactly as specified in the manual, all good.

    One thing I do agree with "Bud, the Vape Critic" is that I do wish they used more of the diameter of the temp ring for temp setting which would provide the user with greater resolution. But I find the mechanicals of the ring to be pretty darn good, nice smooth movement with nice resistance so it will stay where set.


    In my limited experience, some vapes are very fussy about degree of grind and tamp. Most conduction vapes really like fine grind, but so does my convection Volcano and fine grind actually increases the surface area exposed to the heated air flow.


    Some others, well....not so much. With the GH, chunky works good and since its convection I'm not tamping as I would with a conduction vape. Personally, I think its a very good thing if the GH doesn't require a lot of 'technique' and hence my questions are somewhat moot. After all, vapes should mature to the point they are like every other household appliance and most of us wouldn't tolerate a very fussy common appliance, yeah?

    Cheers
     
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  12. jamesuk9

    jamesuk9 Crew Slut...

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    course grind and loose pack most definitely works best.

    Then again it's all subjective so isn't really relevant. YMMV.

    Thorinder by Aftergrow provides the best grind I have encountered for my Hopper after several runs of trial and error and 3 months of daily use.

    Use Ti Hopper only and through Water 90% of the time.
     
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  13. kingfisher

    kingfisher Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's what I described in my post yesterday.

    Sorry if I am acting like "how don't you know this" it's just been posted about a dozen times on this thread. I agree at this point a feq section would be nice.

    Also it is one of the attractive features of the gh. That It is much more appliance like in its ability to function automatically with a variety of conditions. I think vape critics review heavily neglected this value. This is why I have been able to get my friends to use the vape. Previously they would not bc it was too complicated to vape on the go. Making it hard for me to resist not smoking around them.

    It seems many people are so used to needing a special technique whether it's heat, stirring, or how you draw. That they expect to have to do that with the gh. While there are some small quirks that make its use most optimal. They aren't required. LIke turning off before the hit is complete to cycle cool air through the unit.

    I don't have a ff2 but it sounds very similar to the issues of the first... draw technique required, stirring required, and time to get desired effect is too long. I was very unhappy with the first after watching reviews online and expecting a great portable everyone could use.
     
  14. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    I'm with the @kingfisher this device is adaptive and it will just work with whatever style you want to get down with if you want to get down like that.
    Examples:

    MFLB finishing grind, pixie dust consistency, vapes insanely well but does not require and shouldn't be 'thumb-packed'. Insanely even, thorough extraction. Increasing the surface area of the material exponentially increases the amount of heat availability to the overall mass, stirring is effective for regaining rapid cloud production though non-essential. Without stirring there's minor polarisation of colour consistency however an even hue gradient with both sides satisfyingly vaporised.
    You can fit a good amount of herb in and this'd be good for day-packers.

    SLX v2 Ceramic Coated 4pc, fluffy but small-medium even grind consistency. Partially shredded, partially chopped. (a really good grinder). It's basically the same story, but the material surface area has shrunk. So, although there is enough material by default to get good clouds, you extract less of the essential oils via direct convection heating, and rely on conduction heat transfer within the material to vaporise the oils found beneath the surface. The hopper chamber is really well insulated, so this drastically aids all of the heat transfers.

    Can you tell the difference?
    You can argue plasma or LCD all day. Whatever you get down with, it just works, there's not enough difference to care. Subtle nuances are fun though, but more fundamental between strains.
    Personally, I'd say you get more flavour off an MFLBfin grind, but flavour dies along with the bowl, which can sometimes be slowly if using directly.
    In everyday use it really just comes down to convenience, MFLBfin does produce amazing pixie dust but at what time cost? It's some form of strange treat for me basically. Some kind of how much did I spend on this tiny inconvenience kinda rationalisation :\ Not so with the SLX. Maybe a larger super fine grinder would be best, but really, anything that produces even size particles is going to give you the best results.
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    This official video gives a very accurate example of what a typical small-medium grind will end up as. Fine grind is the same.

    and for other mediums:

    pinches of bud, great for initial flavour sampling of a strain. Keeping all crystals intact gives a fucking delicious flavour. So good. And if you take big rips you can vaporize the whole nug. Stirring, which aids rapid cloud production after some use, is easy, it just breaks apart in the upturned chamber, but you eventually get the majority from a solid piece anyway. The chamber is a convection oven, passively forced. It works really well, more like a furnace.

    and then there's hash! I tried some bag hash, and it worked well to some extent. I think I needed hotter temps or more thermal mass for it to properly heat up. Medicinally speaking it worked fantastically, but the piece I put in just wanted to stick around. I don't have much experience with hash, I would usually just put it on a combustion bowl and blast it in a hit. It worked well enough with the hopper, strong effect, but a bit lacklustre for what hash is.

    I feel dabs would be similar, and I have read that HL are planning a conduction based front-end adapter which would basically address the low mass concentrate dilemma.

    Kief is where this thing kills it though. Like any other vaporizer. Kief is da bomb. And hopper kief bombs are a real treat that will soon deplete your kief.
    _________

    Also, just found out via grasshoppervape.com, my hopper has been with HL warranty since the 7th, so I should have it soon. Kinda surprised, no email and I only now just logged in. Siiiick.
    This thing is the shit. And I can't wait to get it back!
     
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  15. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so very much, MoltenTiger.

    First let me say that I agree completely with you and kingfisher...as I said above, I really think we need to adopt the attitude that vapes are household appliances, that our expectations of product and company should be commensurate, and that we should NOT make excuses and come up with all kinds of body english to justify vapes that fall short of that standard (said justification being very vigorously pursued in the FC thread of another new portable). Successful vapes should "just work" IMO.

    Thank you for the above. I do have a New Vape fine grinder that I like VERY much and with which I grind and dry herb for Volcano and conduction vapes. I will indeed try some in the GH, don't know that its pixie dust, but it is fine and it is dry. Perhaps I will find as you did that between fine and medium grind there ain't much difference.

    Cheers
     
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  16. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Cheers Baz :)
    I will elaborate a bit more, now I'm not adding to a massive wall of text. Sorry :ko:
    The amount of material and how it sits in the chamber differs the most between grind consistencies, and for sure if you use a chunkier grind it takes less herb to fill the chamber (which will again aid convection transfer, the flow of the fluid (air) over the material).

    I call it pixie dust because it really is an unachievable consistency through any other means.

    I will again underline it is the evenness of the grind which benefits any form of vaporisation over the actual size of the material, unless system-conduction transfer is the primary heat source (eg. Pax) where density becomes most important.
    With convection, air flow is vital, and so maximising this will offer the best result.
    Also, by having even size particles, it promotes an even transfer to the individual parts of the material smoothing heat curves and promoting sublimation.

    It's all anecdotal, but it's only really something to consider if you directly compare, and even then tolerance negates any real testing :)
     
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  17. jabba

    jabba Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the great posts. Again...I've only seen the GH so it is still a bit of a unicorn to me. I still wish to know how pixie dust for example....stays within the GH chamber without falling through the built in bottom screen...or without being sucked through the mouthpiece screen during inhale?? The built in screen certainly isn't tight enough to prohibit bits of material from falling through or being sucked through the screens are they? How is this handled...and where do the micro bits fall through to?
     
  18. MoltenTiger

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    Yeah I wanted to touch on this too, but I refrained because I don't have my hopper to reference.
    My memory has of course been too vaporized for confident comments.
    I was going to say that I had no trouble with the fine grind at all heater side, however I did also want to mention that the GH mouthpiece does leak fine particles (which will always happen, it's part of what we're inhaling). It's quite noticeable to me when cleaning my glass, but I usually would use a whip (EQ vapour bongs) which hides that aspect. A waterpipe creates more suction than using the GH directly too.

    It does promote me to use it through a waterpipe, it just feels like the right thing to do.
    Plus ammonia, plus possible pesticides and all sorts of nasties (backwards laws limit quality control).
    Anything water soluble you don't want and can easily get rid of, it just makes sense.

    All that said, I don't think I've noticed any material except for top layer kief (best if properly sandwiched) flying into my mouth using it normally. The heater side screen is finer though, and there's two there.

    [​IMG]
    ^not my snap but that's "pixie dust" next to a SCS. All that together would be my personal choice. Might need like 5-10 hoppers but I'd take the challenge

    I think the holes in the silver front screen of the chamber are ⌀0.3mm but there's another screen below it which could be as small as 0.1mm
    The Grasshopper Inside the chamber
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    An even finer screen seen courtesy @BuzzDanklin which could be the size of the screen below.
    Whatever the case, it's not much of an issue and possibly remains the cleanest part of the vapour path. Just be cautious with powders and liquids/resins.
     
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  19. Jerel56

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    Waiting for my Hopper and haven't tried one yet but I came across this and it seems like it could be used to make a DIY mouthpiece as its basically silicone putty....could actually see a lot of uses for different vapes come to think of it. Anyone ever try this stuff?

    www.sugru.com
     
  20. jabba

    jabba Well-Known Member

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    • Food safety


      Sugru isn't certified as food safe yet (we're working on it), so we have to tell you to be careful. For now, please avoid having it in direct contact with food or drink. And please resist the urge to eat it!
     
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  21. Jerel56

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    Yeah, saw that and it's a concern but it also describes it as Silicone which is what the GH mouthpiece is made of...and you're not ingesting it
     
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  22. jabba

    jabba Well-Known Member

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    Ya....but you are sucking on it....and we all know that this thing gets hot hot hot. I'll pass....good thought....but no thanks
     
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  23. kingfisher

    kingfisher Well-Known Member

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    Dude didn't you read my posts? Too small of particle can and does get through the screens.
     
  24. MoltenTiger

    MoltenTiger Well-Known Member

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    Sugru, interesting.

    Surgru is formerol, a patented silicone elastomer.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugru
    https://sugru.com/pdfs/tds.pdf

    Operating temperatures are between −50 and 180 °C, it is thermally insulating and can last 13 months. Probably a lot less if heated constantly.

    It should be relatively safe to use with a grasshopper, but I would avoid using it in the vapour path, it's probably inert, but the fact it has a relatively short shelf life means it's not overly stable and could be carcinogenic like burnt toast. It's also probably porus and would congeal with oils - like the silicone mp with the hopper, though that can handle much higher temperatures and is probably stable for a much longer time.
     
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  25. Vaperist

    Vaperist Well-Known Member

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