The Firefly 2 vaporizer

[ski bum]

good evening all

first post on the forum. Been lurking for a while and I've read this whole thread over time.. I've decided to take the plunge.

What's the best place to purchase my FF2? The only major factor is I'm going on vacation next weekend so I want to get it quick. Also for returns/exchanges, I wasn't sure if the direct site is better to deal with... I just want to get it soon.

I also wanted to make sure there wasn't a vendor that was supported by the forum.

Random question- is a grinder preferred over simply cutting with scissors to create the same size chunks? My stuff is sticky, I feel I'd lose alot of trichs to a grinder but I've not used one in many years..

thanks!

 

[PureVapor]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

11% 377 400 422 444 466
10% 374 396 418 440 462
9% 371 392 414 436 458
8% 367 389 410 432 454
7% 364 385 407 428 449
6% 360 382 403 424 445
5% 357 378 399 420 441
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3% 350 371 391 412 433
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[PureVapor]

w/ Decimal

11% 377.4 399.6 421.8 444.0 466.2
10% 374.0 396.0 418.0 440.0 462.0
9% 370.6 392.4 414.2 436.0 457.8
8% 367.2 388.8 410.4 432.0 453.6
7% 363.8 385.2 406.6 428.0 449.4
6% 360.4 381.6 402.8 424.0 445.2
5% 357.0 378.0 399.0 420.0 441.0
4% 353.6 374.4 395.2 416.0 436.8
3% 350.2 370.8 391.4 412.0 432.6
2% 346.8 367.2 387.6 408.0 428.4
1% 343.4 363.6 383.8 404.0 424.2
0% 340.0 360.0 380.0 400.0 420.0
-1% 336.6 356.4 376.2 396.0 415.8
-2% 333.2 352.8 372.4 392.0 411.6
-3% 329.8 349.2 368.6 388.0 407.4
-4% 326.4 345.6 364.8 384.0 403.2
-5% 323.0 342.0 361.0 380.0 399.0
-6% 319.6 338.4 357.2 376.0 394.8
-7% 316.2 334.8 353.4 372.0 390.6
-8% 312.8 331.2 349.6 368.0 386.4
-9% 309.4 327.6 345.8 364.0 382.2
-10% 306.0 324.0 342.0 360.0 378.0
-11% 302.6 320.4 338.2 356.0 373.8

Temp Difference
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367.2 -
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374.0 0.2
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449.4 4.2
453.6 4.2
457.8 4.2
462.0 4.2
466.2 4.2

 

[jim-bob]

That's assuming that the percentage increase applies to the temperature, not to the power they're feeding to the heater. I'm not really sure what the numbers mean.

 

[oddjobold]

If we cant have a degree by degree selection, how about losing low and med low and having two new temps above high. This seems to be what power tuning is doing anyway - pushing us toward higher temps.

 

[Reggie Watts]

So I walked into my local head shop today looking to buy a can of butane for my torches and lo and behold, I see the last FF2 in stock. It was red. It was pretty. The impulsive vaper in me immediately purchased it without a second thought and here I am now sitting at my computer with this beautfiul vaporizer in my hands. Right now I'm playing around with the temperatures and am really liking the flavor on medium so far. Probably going to try to crank it up to medium high soon and see where that puts me.

It's fun to impulse buy something when you know you obviously want it, and you totally can.

It's like, "I have two choices: don't buy it and constantly think about buying it and most likely end up buying it later, or just buy it now."

 

[ElPic]

good evening all

first post on the forum. Been lurking for a while and I've read this whole thread over time.. I've decided to take the plunge.

What's the best place to purchase my FF2? The only major factor is I'm going on vacation next weekend so I want to get it quick. Also for returns/exchanges, I wasn't sure if the direct site is better to deal with... I just want to get it soon.

I also wanted to make sure there wasn't a vendor that was supported by the forum.

Random question- is a grinder preferred over simply cutting with scissors to create the same size chunks? My stuff is sticky, I feel I'd lose alot of trichs to a grinder but I've not used one in many years..

thanks!

Just to let you know I buy my unit direct on Firefly website on Tuesday, and we are friday.... Still No shipping Invoice and No tracking number!!!
I contact them yesterday Morning to know what happening to my order, because on their website, they say "ship within 24hrs" and they answer me that the case in my order is back order, and that's why they don't have ship my order.
...i don't understand why they don't contact me to say that to me right away?
I ask to ship my order without the case, but No more news from them... Still No tracking number or shipping invoice...
So if you want it fast, maybe Firefly website is not the best place..

 

[Mr. Me2]

good evening all

first post on the forum. Been lurking for a while and I've read this whole thread over time.. I've decided to take the plunge.

What's the best place to purchase my FF2? The only major factor is I'm going on vacation next weekend so I want to get it quick. Also for returns/exchanges, I wasn't sure if the direct site is better to deal with... I just want to get it soon.

I also wanted to make sure there wasn't a vendor that was supported by the forum.

Random question- is a grinder preferred over simply cutting with scissors to create the same size chunks? My stuff is sticky, I feel I'd lose alot of trichs to a grinder but I've not used one in many years..

thanks!

Puffitup has the best service, prices, and fastest delivery. You may want to call them to confirm they have the color you want in stock, but they do picture the ff2 on their website. Make sure you tell them you're from fc to get the best price.

 

[binarystatic]

First of all, hi ya'll!

I only found this forum a few days ago after deciding I had to have a Firefly 2 for myself, and in typical INTP style I needed to know everything about it.

tldr; I've fallen head over heels for my FF2

Ordered a white FF2 from Namaste Vapes UK with a 5% off coupon on Saturday. Got a FedEx notification that it had shipped from Florida on Tuesday. Got the vape delivered in the London area yesterday. Lovely quick shipping, especially since I didn't pay anything for shipping.

I basically followed the exact usage instructions on the FF2 box and in their videos. The first thing I did was to update the vape firmware but I left it on medium-high at 100%.

I have an inexpensive 4 piece metal grinder that I use to prep my bud which leaves it nice and fluffy and fairly coarse. I filled the bowl to just above the lip and lightly pressed it down. Slow and steady draws for about 15 seconds. Seems like somewhere in the 10 - 15-second range you can start feeling the vapour at the back of your throat which is when I do a harder intake to finish off my draw. Cloud production is decent. I wasn't expecting huge clouds by any means, but psychologically we're primed to expect to see something on exhale so I do think that being able to see something aids the effects.

There was a bit of a plastic taste for the first few draws, but that seems to have dissipated now. I do agree that a non-plastic mouthpiece would be a welcome accessory.

Even though the green LED doesn't flash if it's already been heated up, I still wait a few seconds for the orange glow to intensify before starting my next draw. After two draws and I was definitely feeling it. After 4 draws I give the bowl a little stir and I get another 4 or so draws. Then I bump the temp up to high, give the bowl another stir and finish it off. The bud is left quite toasty, though not burnt. It seems so efficient that I can't believe there'd be much of the cannabinoids left to extract, but I'm still going to save it up and see if I can make a useful coconut oil extract out of it.

After two bowls over the course of a couple hours (and with my nasi goreng dinner in between) I was more heavily medicated than I have been in some time. I think most weekday evenings after work I could easily get away with only needing one bowl a night.

Historically I've been primarily a pipe (bowl) combuster in the past, so I see the FF2 as the modern technological successor. It has the same feel and the same techniques so I'm really comfortable with the whole experience. I'm also quite the gadget geek so I enjoy using my phone to change any settings and I'll admit that the fact that my vape gets firmware updates makes me unreasonably excited. Though I find the power tuning update somewhat confusing. What does medium-high at 105% actually mean? Is it basically the same as putting it on high at 100%? Surely being able to set the exact temp would be more understandable.

I don't have a lot of experience with vapes. I had a Volcano up until 5 years ago, but I never seemed to get the hang of that for some reason. Lots of vapour visible in the bags but no matter how much I inhaled I never seemed to get much effect and always ended up going back to my pipe. Couldn't tell you why since most people seem to be very smitten with the Volcano, but it did kind of turn me off the idea of vaping for some time. The FF2 has definitely turned me around, despite initially being rather worried about its performance after reading a lot of the comments on here and elsewhere.

Fingers crossed that the unit holds up over time because my initial impressions are overwhelmingly positive.

 

[shiner25]

good evening all

first post on the forum. Been lurking for a while and I've read this whole thread over time.. I've decided to take the plunge.

What's the best place to purchase my FF2? The only major factor is I'm going on vacation next weekend so I want to get it quick. Also for returns/exchanges, I wasn't sure if the direct site is better to deal with... I just want to get it soon.

I also wanted to make sure there wasn't a vendor that was supported by the forum.

Random question- is a grinder preferred over simply cutting with scissors to create the same size chunks? My stuff is sticky, I feel I'd lose alot of trichs to a grinder but I've not used one in many years..

thanks!

By the sounds of it you cant get a return. I checked on vaporworld and they say it has to have been unused lol like how is a person going to know if there is a problem if they don't use it. Then i saw a post on reddit about some guy who asked for refund and was turned down, then another on youtube where the guy was told by firefly themselves we don't refund on a device that's been used.

So if you purchase, realize you are going all in. There is no going back.

Just to let you know I buy my unit direct on Firefly website on Tuesday, and we are friday.... Still No shipping Invoice and No tracking number!!!
I contact them yesterday Morning to know what happening to my order, because on their website, they say "ship within 24hrs" and they answer me that the case in my order is back order, and that's why they don't have ship my order.
...i don't understand why they don't contact me to say that to me right away?
I ask to ship my order without the case, but No more news from them... Still No tracking number or shipping invoice...
So if you want it fast, maybe Firefly website is not the best place..

I've heard this is a VERY common thing with them. If you go on their facebook page its full of people complaining.

If you buy it ( and i'm thinking of doing that ) go through a shop that has it or through a company like vaporworld, vapornation etc BUT check before with the company to see if they have it in stock or if they have to order it in. There are some sneaky tactics being used online to get people to buy and then leave people hanging while they wait to get it in stock. Amazon are notorious for that.

 

[blue80217]

can you still get the same affect without any clouds at all

Just to let you know I buy my unit direct on Firefly website on Tuesday, and we are friday.... Still No shipping Invoice and No tracking number!!!
I contact them yesterday Morning to know what happening to my order, because on their website, they say "ship within 24hrs" and they answer me that the case in my order is back order, and that's why they don't have ship my order.
...i don't understand why they don't contact me to say that to me right away?
I ask to ship my order without the case, but No more news from them... Still No tracking number or shipping invoice...
So if you want it fast, maybe Firefly website is not the best place..

I like Vap world,

This thread is bumpin'!
Power tune confirmed to be awesome on this end.
I'm not sure but I bet it involves more than just top temp.
Maybe the algorithm for the heating profile is altered?
Would love to know exactly what the difference is.
Whatever it is, I got some buddies coming over tomorrow- one's never seen it, one's used my fly once.
I'm confident they're going to be blown away.

Stay lifted, FF Family!

Awesome I downloaded the app and now my Firefly is working again I hope it continues to work they had to do more than just adjust the heat temperature

 

[ElPic]

If you buy it ( and i'm thinking of doing that ) go through a shop that has it or through a company like vaporworld, vapornation etc BUT check before with the company to see if they have it in stock or if they have to order it in. There are some sneaky tactics being used online to get people to buy and then leave people hanging while they wait to get it in stock. Amazon are notorious for that.




I've heard this is a VERY common thing with them. If you go on their facebook page its full of people complaining.

If you buy it ( and i'm thinking of doing that ) go through a shop that has it or through a company like vaporworld, vapornation etc BUT check before with the company to see if they have it in stock or if they have to order it in. There are some sneaky tactics being used online to get people to buy and then leave people hanging while they wait to get it in stock. Amazon are notorious for that.

Yeah, now I know thanks .... Still No shipping or tracking number today... I e-mail them to ask a refund, but still No answer! Really the worst customer service I experienced in years... For a 459$CAD + tax vape... I was expecting a better customer service!

 

[shiner25]

Yeah, now I know thanks .... Still No shipping or tracking number today... I e-mail them to ask a refund, but still No answer! Really the worst customer service I experienced in years... For a 459$CAD + tax vape... I was expecting a better customer service!

Your in Canada. Same as me. I nearly bought it the other night but read a massive thread on reddit that kind of turned me off. Some of the issues were poor customer service and numerous issues. i.e It doesn't work out of the box.

I'm seriously tempted to manufacture my own product. Create the first one and about 10 for unbiased reviews and then based on interest do a gofundme project to get the first series of orders.

I think i could come up with something that is under $200.

 

[Tranquility]

I wasn't sure as to if I should post here or at MFLB thread. Since there is some "review" of the Firefly 2, I'll post here. Many years ago I got an MFLB and liked it. It took over for almost all “smoking” I did. My issues resolved and I didn't need to medicate any longer and put it on the shelf.

More recently, I had a need to get a card again and looked around for a vaporizer to buy as I thought the MFLB would be old tech by now. (Besides, I'd have to get some new batteries to make it work at all.) I settled on a Firefly 2 and bought one about a month ago. Did not much care for it.

It would certainly cook the herb so I know I was getting vapor. But, without the feel of heat or the ability to see a “cloud” on exhalation, I was uncertain as to if I was being medicated. I could toast a couple of bowls and still be sitting and waiting for something to happen. With the tuning, I can get a higher temperature and vape the whole spectrum of cannabinoids. I can now get a bit of heat on the back of the throat on inhalation and visible vapor on exhale to complete the effect. The Firefly 2 is now something I like. Not because it is the end-all, but because it works after a fashion. (Along with the tuning, you must learn how to use the device. While a bit closer to grab and rip with the firmware tuning update, it would still take a little time for one to use it effectively.)

I like how clean the vapor path is on the FF2 and how much it cools the vapor. Cleaning it up is easy too. Once I find the best way to use all the little paper towels I've soaked in ISO and wiped the reclaim off of the vapor path, I'll be even a bit happier. (One jar for ABV, one to store used cleaning towels and one to evaporate ISO that has reclaim as the solute.) The taste of both flower and concentrate is great and I haven't burned anything as yet. I like the build quality and how the technology comes together. There are many small features where each one improves things a little but on the whole shows the thought put into the vape. I don't like that you have to use a unit charger rather than a battery charger. I don't like how small the bowl is. I hate how the app is necessary to basic function and not just a wonderful add-on. Stirring is a bit of a pain, but the magnetic lid makes it a little easier than it would be on some other bowls.

To the point of the story, I went ahead and got the batteries needed for the MFLB. After a charge, the box worked like a charm. It seems it is a skill once gained is not lost much through lack of practice. Clouds and a bit of heat and you know it is working—even though it might not be the best way to get the most out of the flower. At least in theory. Theoretically? Visible vapor on exhale is wasted medicine. Realistically? The way I have loaded so far, the amount of flower in a bowl/trench is about the same between both vapes. I can do two or three bowls on the FF2 and not seem to be as medicated as a single trench on the MFLB. Both ABV(s) seem similar color when done and have the same grind. (I don't have the finishing grinder for the MFLB—yet.) I am uncertain as to why there should be a difference in effect. The wiki at [vaporpedia link removed] claims it is because the designer of the MFLB has a lot of schooling. (See 4.13) My guess is, the answer lies somewhere in Jar #2. I don't know.

What I do know is I seem to grab the MFLB more often as it gets me were I want to be most efficiently. To improve that experience, I need to grind finer and refine my technique to reduce visible vapor on exhalation and the heat of the vapor on inhalation. The FF2? Slower and longer pulls should be useful and the ability to use concentrates may put the thumb on the scale if that is the desire.

 

[shiner25]

I wasn't sure as to if I should post here or at MFLB thread. Since there is some "review" of the Firefly 2, I'll post here. Many years ago I got an MFLB and liked it. It took over for almost all “smoking” I did. My issues resolved and I didn't need to medicate any longer and put it on the shelf.

More recently, I had a need to get a card again and looked around for a vaporizer to buy as I thought the MFLB would be old tech by now. (Besides, I'd have to get some new batteries to make it work at all.) I settled on a Firefly 2 and bought one about a month ago. Did not much care for it.

It would certainly cook the herb so I know I was getting vapor. But, without the feel of heat or the ability to see a “cloud” on exhalation, I was uncertain as to if I was being medicated. I could toast a couple of bowls and still be sitting and waiting for something to happen. With the tuning, I can get a higher temperature and vape the whole spectrum of cannabinoids. I can now get a bit of heat on the back of the throat on inhalation and visible vapor on exhale to complete the effect. The Firefly 2 is now something I like. Not because it is the end-all, but because it works after a fashion. (Along with the tuning, you must learn how to use the device. While a bit closer to grab and rip with the firmware tuning update, it would still take a little time for one to use it effectively.)

I like how clean the vapor path is on the FF2 and how much it cools the vapor. Cleaning it up is easy too. Once I find the best way to use all the little paper towels I've soaked in ISO and wiped the reclaim off of the vapor path, I'll be even a bit happier. (One jar for ABV, one to store used cleaning towels and one to evaporate ISO that has reclaim as the solute.) The taste of both flower and concentrate is great and I haven't burned anything as yet. I like the build quality and how the technology comes together. There are many small features where each one improves things a little but on the whole shows the thought put into the vape. I don't like that you have to use a unit charger rather than a battery charger. I don't like how small the bowl is. I hate how the app is necessary to basic function and not just a wonderful add-on. Stirring is a bit of a pain, but the magnetic lid makes it a little easier than it would be on some other bowls.

To the point of the story, I went ahead and got the batteries needed for the MFLB. After a charge, the box worked like a charm. It seems it is a skill once gained is not lost much through lack of practice. Clouds and a bit of heat and you know it is working—even though it might not be the best way to get the most out of the flower. At least in theory. Theoretically? Visible vapor on exhale is wasted medicine. Realistically? The way I have loaded so far, the amount of flower in a bowl/trench is about the same between both vapes. I can do two or three bowls on the FF2 and not seem to be as medicated as a single trench on the MFLB. Both ABV(s) seem similar color when done and have the same grind. (I don't have the finishing grinder for the MFLB—yet.) I am uncertain as to why there should be a difference in effect. The wiki at [vaporpedia link removed due to malware] claims it is because the designer of the MFLB has a lot of schooling. (See 4.13) My guess is, the answer lies somewhere in Jar #2. I don't know.

What I do know is I seem to grab the MFLB more often as it gets me were I want to be most efficiently. To improve that experience, I need to grind finer and refine my technique to reduce visible vapor on exhalation and the heat of the vapor on inhalation. The FF2? Slower and longer pulls should be useful and the ability to use concentrates may put the thumb on the scale if that is the desire.

What a great comparison. I was quite interested in how the MFLB performed in comparison to the FF2 as they seem to be similiar except that the MFLB is more affordable and a less glorified "iPhone wannabe"..... which i might add.... at least the iPHone lets you phone, connect to the internet and do all manner of things. The FF2 just heats up herb and concentrate. Now if they had added internet and telephone capabilities i might see $500 Canadian (inc taxes ) being worth it. But right now I am leaning towards either the MFLB or the Arizer AIR as both have great reviews and are within what i think is an affordable price for something that vapes weed.

A few questions

1. You mentioned the MFLB seemed to medicate you more from one trench vs 2 or 3 of FF2 and yet you were using the same amount of weed? Is that correct?

2. Are you able to take one hit and come back to it later for the rest of the trench like you can with FF2?

3. Are you using the charger or batteries with your MFLB. I have heard the 2.1 charger allows for better clouds and less chance of combustion

 

[mitchgo61]

But right now I am leaning towards either the MFLB or the Arizer AIR as both have great reviews and are within what i think is an affordable price for something that ignites weed.

A. Vapes do not "ignite" weed. If they did, they'd be combustion devices. (Or they are combusting themselves, another whole subject...)

B. I agree with your general point that vapes are expensive. But this is a function of economy of scale..to design, manufacture, and distribute somewhat complex devices that sell, in the world of consumer products, relatively low amounts is not cheap. (If you really think you can design, build, market, and distribute a good port for 200 bucks via crowd funding, I wish you much luck with that endeavor. You might wanna chat with the GH folks first though. I'm guessing they have plenty of cautionary tales to share with budding entrepreneurs. )

As for the relative value of the FF vs MFLB (in my desperate attempt to stem topic drift here), well, no contest. As an owner of two LBs and four FFs of all stages, the FF, while yes pricey, is light years ahead of the LB in build, design, usage, versatility, flavor, conservative use of weed....pretty much every feature. The LB is a Corolla, and the FF is a BMW. They simply aren't comparable vapes in any manner whatsoever, including the manner in which they vape (conduction v convection).

Whether something is worth the price charged for it is a personal decision....but the relative value of these two vapes transcends mere subjective thought and easily approaches objective reality....always assuming of course that both devices are working correctly as designed.

 

[Sh4dy15]

The way I have loaded so far, the amount of flower in a bowl/trench is about the same between both vapes. I can do two or three bowls on the FF2 and not seem to be as medicated as a single trench on the MFLB. Both ABV(s) seem similar color when done and have the same grind.

You're doing something wrong. There is no other explanation for this honestly.

 

[stickstones]

I wasn't sure as to if I should post here or at MFLB thread. Since there is some "review" of the Firefly 2, I'll post here. Many years ago I got an MFLB and liked it. It took over for almost all “smoking” I did. My issues resolved and I didn't need to medicate any longer and put it on the shelf.

More recently, I had a need to get a card again and looked around for a vaporizer to buy as I thought the MFLB would be old tech by now. (Besides, I'd have to get some new batteries to make it work at all.) I settled on a Firefly 2 and bought one about a month ago. Did not much care for it.

It would certainly cook the herb so I know I was getting vapor. But, without the feel of heat or the ability to see a “cloud” on exhalation, I was uncertain as to if I was being medicated. I could toast a couple of bowls and still be sitting and waiting for something to happen. With the tuning, I can get a higher temperature and vape the whole spectrum of cannabinoids. I can now get a bit of heat on the back of the throat on inhalation and visible vapor on exhale to complete the effect. The Firefly 2 is now something I like. Not because it is the end-all, but because it works after a fashion. (Along with the tuning, you must learn how to use the device. While a bit closer to grab and rip with the firmware tuning update, it would still take a little time for one to use it effectively.)

I like how clean the vapor path is on the FF2 and how much it cools the vapor. Cleaning it up is easy too. Once I find the best way to use all the little paper towels I've soaked in ISO and wiped the reclaim off of the vapor path, I'll be even a bit happier. (One jar for ABV, one to store used cleaning towels and one to evaporate ISO that has reclaim as the solute.) The taste of both flower and concentrate is great and I haven't burned anything as yet. I like the build quality and how the technology comes together. There are many small features where each one improves things a little but on the whole shows the thought put into the vape. I don't like that you have to use a unit charger rather than a battery charger. I don't like how small the bowl is. I hate how the app is necessary to basic function and not just a wonderful add-on. Stirring is a bit of a pain, but the magnetic lid makes it a little easier than it would be on some other bowls.

To the point of the story, I went ahead and got the batteries needed for the MFLB. After a charge, the box worked like a charm. It seems it is a skill once gained is not lost much through lack of practice. Clouds and a bit of heat and you know it is working—even though it might not be the best way to get the most out of the flower. At least in theory. Theoretically? Visible vapor on exhale is wasted medicine. Realistically? The way I have loaded so far, the amount of flower in a bowl/trench is about the same between both vapes. I can do two or three bowls on the FF2 and not seem to be as medicated as a single trench on the MFLB. Both ABV(s) seem similar color when done and have the same grind. (I don't have the finishing grinder for the MFLB—yet.) I am uncertain as to why there should be a difference in effect. The wiki at [vaporpedia link removed due to malware] claims it is because the designer of the MFLB has a lot of schooling. (See 4.13) My guess is, the answer lies somewhere in Jar #2. I don't know.

What I do know is I seem to grab the MFLB more often as it gets me were I want to be most efficiently. To improve that experience, I need to grind finer and refine my technique to reduce visible vapor on exhalation and the heat of the vapor on inhalation. The FF2? Slower and longer pulls should be useful and the ability to use concentrates may put the thumb on the scale if that is the desire.

I can't speak to your technique with the FF2, but the MFLB trench can hold considerably more than the FF2, and it has conduction effects. I would guess you would need to vape two or three FF2 bowls to come close to one well loaded mflb trench. But in addition to that, the effects will be different. If you're used to the mflb, I would bet you might interpret the FF2 effects to be inferior, as I find the conduction effects to be more sedative.

Instant, on-demand portable convection vapor is brand new to the market and we are all going to go through some adjustments getting used to it. I've got five of those types of units on my desk now, and there really is a lot more to doing it right than I was aware of.

For anyone who was getting poor results out of the box but now has it working well...what changes did you make or problems did you fix to get it working right for you?

 

[shiner25]

A. Vapes do not "ignite" weed. If they did, they'd be combustion devices. (Or they are combusting themselves, another whole subject...)

B. I agree with your general point that vapes are expensive. But this is a function of economy of scale..to design, manufacture, and distribute somewhat complex devices that sell, in the world of consumer products, relatively low amounts is not cheap. (If you really think you can design, build, market, and distribute a good port for 200 bucks via crowd funding, I wish you much luck with that endeavor. You might wanna chat with the GH folks first though. I'm guessing they have plenty of cautionary tales to share with budding entrepreneurs. )

As for the relative value of the FF vs MFLB (in my desperate attempt to stem topic drift here), well, no contest. As an owner of two LBs and four FFs of all stages, the FF, while yes pricey, is light years ahead of the LB in build, design, usage, versatility, flavor, conservative use of weed....pretty much every feature. The LB is a Corolla, and the FF is a BMW. They simply aren't comparable vapes in any manner whatsoever, including the manner in which they vape (conduction v convection).

Whether something is worth the price charged for it is a personal decision....but the relative value of these two vapes transcends mere subjective thought and easily approaches objective reality....always assuming of course that both devices are working correctly as designed.

The only correlation between the MFLB being a Corolla and the FF2 being a BMW is price and look. As it appears when it comes to performance ( which is what matters most ). FF2 is on shaky ground right now with a number of people asking for refunds and filling up reddit threads with issues in the product and with support.

Quality of material in manufacturing rarely equates to better quality product.

You could have a very shoddy looking product but if it gives results (consistently being the key here) then it's overshadowing anything that looks good.

FF2 is a beautiful thing to look at but so far the price and issues i'm hearing about has not won me over. The only comparison to a BMW that can me made is the FF2 is like a BMW with two wonky wheels, an engine that needs a tune up, and seats that have a few loose springs. Meaning, it works but not well or consistently and many are not comfortable using it.

If they are reaching for something else when they have it, it's failed.

I will take a corolla over a BMW any day if it works and get me from A to Z without issues.

I think the FF2 will be good when it has worked out some of the kinks.

Right now i plan to look at it again in 2017. 2016 is the year for them to work out the kinks.

 

[Tranquility]

1. You mentioned the MFLB seemed to medicate you more from one trench vs 2 or 3 of FF2 and yet you were using the same amount of weed? Is that correct?

2. Are you able to take one hit and come back to it later for the rest of the trench like you can with FF2?

3. Are you using the charger or batteries with your MFLB. I have heard the 2.1 charger allows for better clouds and less chance of combustion

1. No, I'm saying the FF2 is taking more. To the way I've been loading, a trench and a bowl are about the same amount. It takes me more reloads on the FF2 to get to the same place as the MFLB on one.

2. Yes. It is just as easy. (Maybe a bit easier as all it takes is a shake to stir the MFLB and the FF2, even if packed lightly and not tamped, can not say the same. CAN you shake/tap the FF2? Yes. But the more heated portion (by color) is in the center rather then touching the heating element/bowl and a shake does not distribute the cooked with the non-cooked very well.)

3. I use batteries. The power adapter has those who love the vape love it even more if you trust the forums. However, I have no direct knowledge of how well it works.

As to mitchgo61's post, I generally agree. It puts the FF2 on a higher pedestal than I feel deserved, but everyone is entitled to an opinion and I have far less in terms of vaporizers. As to the specific claim it is better for conserving flower, I disagree. I explained why I came to that opinion. YMMV. To me, use is at least 1/2 in the MFLB. I don't ascribe the difference necessarily to efficiency. I'm sure both vapes can boil off cannabinoids just fine. There are many potential factors as to why I perceive the MFLB as being more efficient with material. Because his post was an attempt to put this thread back on the rails, I will decline here.

 

[sixstringsmash]

So a quick question to anyone who might know this. I'm looking to buy the external battery charger for my FF2 but it seems to be out of stock on the firefly website and every other website I check. Does anyone know anywhere that I would be able to purchase one?

 

[mitchgo61]

The only correlation between the MFLB being a Corolla and the FF2 being a BMW is price and look. As it appears when it comes to performance ( which is what matters most ). FF2 is on shaky ground right now with a number of people asking for refunds and filling up reddit threads with issues in the product and with support.

Quality of material in manufacturing rarely equates to better quality product.

You could have a very shoddy looking product but if it gives results (consistently being the key here) then it's overshadowing anything that looks good.
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Have you used either vape? I got the impression you haven't tried either. If I'm wrong, I apologize. If I'm right, your comparisons are based on hearsay. You should try them before reaching such categorical conclusions.

Go back and read this thread. The failure/return rate of the FF2 is less than 1 percent. Let's not spread misinformation, especially when it appears you haven't used either vape.

 

[jim-bob]

This thread can be misleading, as well. When I post, I'm often complaining about some little thing concerning my ff2, but I don't regret purchasing it for a second.

 

[Tranquility]

I would guess you would need to vape two or three FF2 bowls to come close to one well loaded mflb trench. But in addition to that, the effects will be different. If you're used to the mflb, I would bet you might interpret the FF2 effects to be inferior, as I find the conduction effects to be more sedative.

I used the limitation of the way I pack them on amount. I could put more than I use for a trench in the MFLB. The point I was making was equal amounts do not hit equally.

I very much like your thought of the sedative effect. Perhaps it is a marker my brain uses for how medicated I am. And, since it seems the MFLB has generally run hotter in the way I've used the FF2 so far, the fact I'm vaporizing all of the hotter cannabinoids up front may affect my judgment of "how" medicated.

 

[jay87]

Personally I hate the MFLB comparison to the FF2.

If you're going to make that comparison I'd say that the MFLB and the FF2 are both air planes. Both airplanes can get in the sky, and both airplanes can fly sure that's true; but here's the difference between the two:

MFLB:

Firefly 2: