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The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by Rockwise, Jan 5, 2010.

  1. cosimo

    cosimo New Member

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    thanks for the reply! I'm waiting for the seller to send me a pic of the bottom of the unit to confirm the serial number. If the serial turns out authentic (i'm pretty sure it is), I think I'll buy it!!! BTW, the power adapter is ENG as yours.

    My new concern now is the whole "dirty airpath" deal, with the air clearly going through the PCB before reaching the heating element. I understand the PCB is not incontact with the heating element and that the PCB is made with quality components, but if for some reason the PCB does heat up, I'm sure I don't want to inhale whatever heats off the PCB. Good thing i've seen on recent towers/extreme q's is that the PCB is red (red supposedly is lead free, green pcb has lead). Maybe people reporting gassing of these units were ones with green pcb's?

    Are there any sources that confirm the PCB does not heat up or not significantly?

    BTW, I just realized I'm being sold a V-Tower, not an Extreme-Q. So I'm not sure if my post should be moved over to the V-Tower sub.
     
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  2. Madri-Gal

    Madri-Gal New Member

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    Hi. New to thread. Glad to be here .
     
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  3. Some-new-user

    Some-new-user Active Member

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    @cosimo I posted a link to a video(not my video) on the last page. I personally don't think that the electronics are that close to the element to warrant worrying about the gases of solder or any components getting warm. I think if they were there would be a lot more stories of faulty units on here as solder would be melting, dislodging or completely giving out- it really doesn't take that much heat to damage something like a capacitor. Having said that a few worrying things for me are the ribbon cable and being no dust filter.

    The v tower is a totally different unit though- no fan and I haven't seen a disassembly video on that.

    One annoyance for me was looking at the ceramic element after 2/3 weeks use and seeing that herb had fallen through the cyclone screen and then further down through the heater screen turning the ceramic heating element (under the screen) black or grey. This to me is showing signs of combustion and something I really want to avoid with these units. Being honest these only looked like 'specks' or tiny amounts, possibly even dust sized but maybe as an extra precaution use another screen in-between the screen in the cyclone and the heating element.

    That's just my suggestion and I think my unit had sort of heavy use, I also found a love for balloons so there could have been more chance of the herb being disturbed with the fan on as opposed to just being pulled through a whip. I have only had my unit for a month at most and have decided to move on to a volcano. I know people may not have the budget or access to these but for me it just feels a lot more convenient and less inconsistent.

    If you do end up buying the v tower definitely check the @DDave mods. I enjoyed having a shorter 18mm -18mm adaptor than the cyclone bowl but with that method I would elbow pack which meant putting herb in the screen nearest the whip (the one shaped like a hat)

    These are fun units and I enjoyed my little experiments with these, other people with more experience might give you better advice but for starting out or just trying to get over that hurdle of smoking this isn't a bad place to start.

    I'd say in summary of you are weighing this up against a joint or cigarette or even bong I wouldn't worry about the heat and electronics.

    V tower against a portable I'd still be leaning to .v tower (possibly even over a Mighty) as there's just no batteries to go wrong,charge, overcharge, wear out. I actually worry more about the batteries in my Mighty over the electronics in my extreme Q. My Extreme q has been on for hours at a time and one user left his on for an entire weekend (by accident). If there was any worry about heat that guy/gal would have had a dead unit.

    This over a volcano is a different story for me. I know with my volcano I can set it to a temperature and it's going to be within 1° (f) of that temperature. It's medically approved and there's very little chance of herb going through both screens directly on to the heater.

    The makers of the volcano also do a plenty which retails in my country around the same price of the extreme q. It is whip only like the v tower. I don't think that has a medical cert (yet) but to me it guzzled herb. With the elbow pack and my q I could use 0.05g per load which saved me a hell of a lot of money on herb.

    Definitely worth a try from your guy but there are also other options out there and other users will also tell you that there are better vapes than both for the price. I know you are restricted but I'm just trying to give you as much info as I can to weigh up your options. That's why you're here after all.
     
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  4. dynospec

    dynospec Well-Known Member

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    @cosimo I think @Some-new-user summed it up pretty well, the electronics are really not an issue as they are using components that are not standard for pcb and solder etc, Arizer is a great company and you are not making a poor purchase if you buy their products in my opinion.

    As for the black and ash that @Some-new-user is experiencing, I think youll find that if any vaporizer has matter falling into the heating element area that it will begin to do what they are seeing. Thats why its important to perform regular maintenance on your vaporizer, as this will help to maintain performance and longevity. Also the very act of vaporization is aided by a clean unobstructed vapor path.
     
  5. cosimo

    cosimo New Member

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    So... before anything else, let me announce that I pulled the trigger on the used V Tower!!! It arrives on Firday. Thanks for the input guys! And this thread helped me huge to make up my mind.

    I already read ALL the pages on this thread and the V-tower thread so i feel I'm freaking ready to fight any problems I might have with it. The first thing I'll do once I receive it is verify no glass pieces are broken and everything looks right (even though the guy selling it assures everything is in perfect condition and there are no smells or anything broken). If everything is ok I'll try a burn off to verify that there aren't any wierd smells. Even if there are no wierd smells, I plan to dissasemble everything and make sure it's clean and nothing looks strange. I will definitily look for the "mica" piece of the heating element to see what it looks like and verify it has not melted as other have reported. After all that, Ill treat it as new, do a burn off again, and then pack that cyclone bowl and vape some White Rhino I've been saving just for the vape. Can't do an elbow pack right away because the unit has no basket screens, but i've got enough weed for the cyclone bowl.


    Thanks for the input, I will dfinitely buy the ddave mod as soon as I can. Problem is that shipping here makes it more than double its price so ill have to wait for someone traveling to do me the favor of bringing it. As for portable vaporizer, I eventualy plan to buy either a mighty or a solo II, leaning more towards the latest model of mighty. But for desktop i had always been attracted to arizer or s &B (ok, and herbalizer too but it's price is not attractive). I recently found out about vapexhale vapes and they look nice as well. So I think if the vtower needed to be upgraded I'd just save for a S&B or a vapexhale one. But I have a feeling the Vtower will make me happy for a long time and make the time i wait saving for a mighty much more enjoyable.
    Oh, and by the way, heres a video of the vtower dissasembled (
    Click to play YouTube Video
    ). It looks pretty much the same as the EQ... you can clearly see where the fan would be. Maybe Vtowers really are just EQ without a afan and with one word printed diferent on the leds of the front panel.

    thanks, I will definnetily do regular maintance. As mentioned above, i will even do a thorough QA inspection as soon as it arrives. Something I likes alot of the Vtower/EQ is how easy fixed it appear to be. Only user-unfixeable problem seem to be a faulty PCB. In my case that would suck becuase i have no warranty.
    Now, from what iv'e seen, the "dirty airpath" only concerns me if the PCB heats up significantly because of its own (i know that the heating element is far from it and would only maybe affect the pcd if placed upside down). I've seen video of a portable vaporizer (can't remmeber exaclty which one) whose PCB would emit grat heat as soon as the unit was turned on, the guy in the video showing it even uses athemal cammera to show his. So, PCB generating heat by them selves is possible, and since the PCB is in the airpath, it could be a problem. But again, I took a leap of faith there and will trust the fact that the only problem seems to be due to de mica piece, not becuase of the PCB. So that why ill verify the mica piece and just for peace of mind , take a look at everything else, and make sure that are no wierd smells.

    Any how, one again, thanks all for the inut and for maintaining this thear with usefull info. I will report back on friday.
     
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  6. Some-new-user

    Some-new-user Active Member

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    Hope it all works out for you @cosimo. Well done on researching. Good point on the pcb heating up, I can't say anything about this. As @dynospec says it all comes down to maintenance. When you do disassemble look out for that tiny piece of glass on the heater cover that sticks out. It slots in to a certain position. Could have broke mine if I hadn't double checked.

    I'm sure you'll save money for a portable in no time. Hope you enjoy your new experience
     
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  7. cosimo

    cosimo New Member

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    hmmm... found a way to ship a ddave mod kit to my country without paying too much. Will order one right away! I have a question though:
    I was looking at the V3 18mm Glass Filtered Stem... is it a very delicate piece? i mean, using it will I have to be careful with the whip not breaking that tip it would connect to? since its vertical, and not bent, will moving the whip around be a problem?
     
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  8. sonti

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    Hello Friends, while doing my morning stretches today I got surprised to my roomate knocking with my package holding the DDave Mod. I didint even hear the doorbell!

    So we went to testing it right away. Heres my impressions and first questions. I ordered the 14mm Kit. (Theres some images so ill put this in spoiler)

    I had quite some sucess with this, seemmingly standart setup.
    [​IMG]

    However one thing we were confused about is how to use the baloon. The stock baloon piece doesnt fit any of the two adapters, and not the straight wand either. We tried putting the baloon straight without the [​IMG] piece but had no luck either. I expected it to fit the straight wand. Maybe the first setup just gut into our head too well for us too figure out :p , so im seeking for help out here at FC! :hmm::)

    Also, whats the difference between the straight wand sizes?

    Last question! About the large, bigger whipe tubing. Is it supposed to be used like this? I quite like it.
    [​IMG]

    I wanna thank dave for the mod. Right away I was impressed with the increased performance that is so often praised on here. Im sure after clearing up these questions and getting used to it will be even better! Have a nice weekend people!!
     
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  9. DDave

    DDave Vape Wizard Accessory Maker

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    I've had very little inquiries about mod kits and the balloon set up. I've also had my Arizer for a long time, long before they offered the new balloon glass piece.

    The only issue here, is that your kit is the 14mm kit and their balloon glass is 18mm.

    The long glass wand is from the V2 kit. The shorter glass filtered piece is the later added the three piece.

    Between the two of them, the V two-piece will be the most powerful. It allows you to grind the herb more finely and the load size can be a little bigger.

    The V 3 piece, more geared towards flavor. To get the most flavor, use a medium grind and turn the temp down. Then, once your quest for flavor is satisfied, save the medium ground herb that you just Vaped in the V3 and finally grind it for use later in the V2 (at higher Temps)

    Doesn't have to be...

    The kits that I offer are all about options. That's why when I come up with new additions to the kits, I never remove the old ones, whenever possible.

    Whenever I hear the words "I quite like it", accompanying the question "am I doing this right",.... My response is always a thumbs up.

    The suggestions that I include in the instructions of the kits provide a great starting place, but they're definitely not carved in stone.

    I'm not a believer in something being perfect out of the box and I am a believer that everything can be made better. You found a combination of pieces that you really enjoy using from the kit, and you've mentioned performance increases also, so it's a win-win all the way around.

    I want to thank you for the kind feedback and for being part of such a supportive community!

    I can't tell you how many messages I received from someone who feels they were lucky to have heard about the mod kits and were able to obtain one and whatever geographic location to happen to be at.

    And as I read each one, I think to myself that I'm actually the lucky one. In my day job, I get to help a few people through their day. But through modding, I get to help so many more through their lives...

    Music to my ears!
     
  10. cosimo

    cosimo New Member

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    :( :( :_( :( :(

    First off... THANKS for all the advice that you people have shared in this thread.

    So, my V-Tower got here today!!! It's smaller than expected but not as flimsy as I had heard. All appeared to be ok with the unit from the outside. The heating element did look a bit dirty but not too much (see pic 1). I gave it a little shake to see if anything sounded loose inside and the button rattle a bit and something else inside rattled a bit.

    Pic 1: [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Before anything else, I proceeded to connect everything and do a 10 min heating at 260 C to check for unwanted smells and make sure it had basic functions working. Everything was working fine (LCD, options, buttons, setting, etc). But not even a minute passed and I could smell that kinda vaped smell, and no, i had not even opened the jar of weed or smoked all day. So clearly there had to be some AVB inside the unit. I let the unit heat up a few more minute and there was no plastic smell or anything other than that AVB smell. So, I let it cool down and began disassembly. Long story short: THERE WAS AVB EVERYWHERE!!! Any nook you can imagine, there was AVB there. I had to tear everything down, even the little PCB compartment of the power plug had AVB. (see pic 2) Also, i found out the other thing that i heard rattling was one loose screw from the base of the unit (from the ones covered by the unit's rubber feet).

    Pic 2: [​IMG] [​IMG]

    After cleaning out all the AVB (it took me almost an hour to do so... (really, there was AVB anywhere it could fit) I proceeded to take a look at the mica piece. Most of the previous posts with photos of the "bad" mica pieces are no longer available so I'm not sure if this piece is ok or not. From what understand, the bad pieces where black, this one is silverish and feels like a metal. But, as you can notice form the photo (see pic 3, deformation is at the right bottom part of the piece), there is some deformation on the piece. I must accept that I didn't pay attention to the moment i took the piece out, so i'm not sure if the deformed part was in contact with the ceramic element or not. But in all the unit was just dirty.

    Pic 3:[​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    Now, you may have noticed my sad faces at the beginning... they are due to the fact that I still haven't been able to try out the unit (and won't for another 15 days)!!!! And, the money i had ready to buy a ddave mod, now i have to spend it on a heat cover replacement piece because once I started putting everything back together......
    the heater cover somehow slipped off the heater and fell on tile floor. I literally cried for about 10 minutes before i got my self together to clean everything up. So @DDave, sorry, i will order my kit as soon as i can, do have to get the heat cover first.

    Well... Good thing is the unit could NOT be cleaner! HAHAHA No dust, no AVB, no nothing but the unit's internal parts. So once I get my heat cover replacement, I just have to CAREFULLY assemble everything together and start vaping! It won't happen before 15 days but hey... gottta see the glass half full or tears start flowing again.

    Once again thanks to all. I followed all the advice you've given but one: NO VAPING ON TILE!!, and I suffering the consequences. Won't forget it next time.
     
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  11. Madri-Gal

    Madri-Gal New Member

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    Finally! I just finished all 455 pages if this thread. It took a few months of chipping away at it, but I feel every page was worth it. My EQ works well, and with Ddave's kit, it works better than well. I'm very pleased to have the Arizer Extreme Q as my first desktop vape. DDave, you are one super DDude.
     
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  12. LesPlenty

    LesPlenty Well-Known Member

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    I don`t like silicon breasts :) but I do like tinkering with my vapes, ever tried modding the Plenty, that coil is a pain to clean?

    I used to class glass as a consumable, I now have carpet on my concrete floor in my workshop, just around my chair, just to be safe.
     
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  13. CuckFumbustion

    CuckFumbustion Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.

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    Wow, i was wondering why I had so many EQ posts liked recently. 455 pages is impressive.:bowdown:We will be coming to you for answers since you read the whole sacred tomb.:myday:

    @Madri-Gal have you had your EQ apart?


    Have my EQ out ATM. I use ELBs and an 18mm M/M as my basket setup. Start off with the EVO, then revape the ELBS into bags with the EQ.

    just curious. Has anybody ever replace a fan in an EQ?
    :peace:
     
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  14. junny89

    junny89 Active Member

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    hi,

    been looking in to balloon vapes for a long time. I cant justify the Volcano or Herbalizer. I found the extreme Q which is affordable and generally good reviews and Arizer are known for quality stuff!

    Before i go out and buy this, does anyone know if there is a new version on the horizon?
    Have a habit where i buy something and literally soon down the line a new version pops out!!

    any help will be appreciated!
     
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  15. Some-new-user

    Some-new-user Active Member

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    Hi Junny,

    If you have luck as good as mine you will order and the new model will be announced that day. I would say one thing though the new model will either be one of two things.

    1) virtually identical to the current model with (possibly) slight improvements. It seems like the glass is the only thing to change in the latest editions *which you can improve on yourself by going DDave.

    2) brand new design brand new unit - this will probably be more expensive at first as it will have to pay for, development, new parts/machines etc. Plus it's new so you don't have 400 pages of comments from people so that you can jump in and pretty much know what you are doing from scratch. A new unit MAY mean new techniques, more trial and error and early manufacturing issues.

    I really wouldn't worry too much. If you've seen my comments I've jumped in to a volcano after owning an extreme q for just over a month. Volcano is good but not an amazing amount better. The extreme q is very versatile and solid. If you can put up with regularly cleaning and letting the glass heat soak for 10 minutes before you fill your balloon then you can't go wrong.

    If you read my other posts about this I bought a universal remote that works with wifi. In theory you could operate this from anywhere in the world so the pre heating/ heat soak could be eradicated.

    Best of luck, perhaps you do the guys who have been waiting for a new arizer desktop for years and order one ;)

    There doesn't really seem that much that I think they could improve on with this design, there's a few niggles for me here and there. I got burnt looking herb on my heater- screens could do with some improvements. There's a ribbon cable near where the air travels in to the unit and no dust filter on that - cold air (no heat too close to circuit boards imo)

    To me this is a good introduction to a desktop vape. Affordable, allowed me to use miniscule amounts 0.05g in an elbow pack ability to mix whip and balloon is also a bonus - I never really thought I'd enjoy balloons but I got the bug.
     
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  16. cosimo

    cosimo New Member

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    Hi again.
    While i'm waiting for my heat cover to arrive, I've been cleaning my glassware and remembered the unit was sold to me with two cyclone bowls. One is the stock arizer bowl which was really used and dirty (now looks almost new), the other one is still brand new and was purchased on ebay.
    Since my DDave mod purchase is in a bit delayed due to budget, I am feeling tempted to take the ebay cyclone bowl and modifiy it a bit by trying to reduce widen the screen rim.

    How have others gone about it? How did you break or modify that rim with out damaging the cyclone bowl?

    thanks for any input!
     
  17. junny89

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    Hey buddy, thanks for the info!
    Very precise! Although i understand where you are coming from, its just one of them things, if a new one did come out id be kicking my self! - Not about the money although i can pick the Q up brand new for over a £100.
    How are the bags keeping up? i know they are not like the volcano with the relesae valve, but how long do they last?
    Any one come up with any ways to attach a release valve so the smoke doesnt come pouring out?

    sorry for asking but whats Ddave? how will that help me?
    Again, only want a balloon vape, just dont want to spend so much extra on volcano if the arizer is sweeeet AF.
     
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  19. junny89

    junny89 Active Member

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    Hey bud,

    Thanks for all that info certainly sounds interesting!
    If I remember correct you said you had the volcano also? How do these compare?
    The volcano is very pricey around £300 (dial version) and the EQ at £130. Huge difference in price but is it actually better? Must be epic to warrant the extra £170.

    Also as I'm doing some research, I've found Arizer have intact launched the EQ a few times, I've read version 5 which was out in 2013, is this the latest one? Or was one after?
    As reading , they state 27 differences and they fixed the bowl issue etc.
    Just making sure that's all as don't want to get one that's like a v4 etc

    Edit- I think the 27 changes were from the arizer V tower transition to the extreme Q.
    Totally confused now lol
     
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  20. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    I would buy the latest model Extreme Q that is available over the Volcano, any day!
    The Volcano does bags and that is it, one trick pony. I found the bags to be quite dry and made me cough a lot.
    I still own and use the EQ because it does many things well!
    Great tasting, cloudy bags! Use dry or through a water tool.
    Whip use for sessions.
    Use with a Water Tool!
    Mods available from @DDave turn it into a beast!!

    I would imagine you are looking at Vapefiend?
    Also have a look at their:
    Silver Surfer
    Da Buddha
    HerbalAire

    Also great vaporizers in the same league as the EQ.
     
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  21. junny89

    junny89 Active Member

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    Do you know what the latest version is? I've found v4, not sure thats the latest?
    I was literally just putting one in to cart when I saw the v4 now that's messed everything up!

    I've had a look at them, silver surfer/da Buddha, don't know what to think of them as not seen many reviews where as the extreme q has tonnes. The herbalaire does look appealing but it is more exp. Will watch some reviews for sure.

    Thanks for all the info!
     
  22. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    https://vapefiend.co.uk/collections/home-vaporizers/products/arizer-extreme-q-vaporizer

    This is the latest version!
     
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  23. Some-new-user

    Some-new-user Active Member

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    Yeah I think v4 is the latest version, I've seen mentions of v5 and maybe a v8/6?I believe these to be typos though. The model I received a month ago had a diagonal spout for the balloon and something like a 10mm female adapter, possibly smaller - the glass piece for the balloons on this are different too and I notice a lot of sellers on eBay and similar sites selling the 'old style'

    *edit* sorry this is going to be confusing cause to me vapefind in that link above have the photos for an older style adapter for the balloon system. The adapter in this link is the one I received https://vapefiend.co.uk/products/arizer-extreme-q-all-glass-mini-whip

    The system I received is advertised as 'all glass mini whip set' on arizer's website.

    I'm the guy with the volcano too. For me it's just less maintenance that makes the volcano win. It's not perfect (balloon only, although going to try hook it up to a bong). I feel like I can get much denser balloons with the volcano but I do have to use quite a bit of herb. If you experiment you can probably figure out a way to get the volcano balloons to work with the q so you don't have to hold your thumb over the mouthpiece. Other people have used something to bung (pencil eraser) the end or camelback mouthpiece valves (for water carriers)
     
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  24. junny89

    junny89 Active Member

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    Yehh I've noticed that too. However the vapefiend site has a different controller to all others I have seen though.

    I am looking at the herbalaire also, the volcano is just too exp.
    Just like the EQ as it seems like it's bang for its buck and does everything, mind you only using for balloon, not fussed if it does anything else.
    However saying that, there seems to be alot of fake/counterfeit EQ's and I can't find the latest version, although I thought it was vapefiend.
     
  25. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    Easiest way to find out is to call them or email them and ask direct!
     

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