I believe the issue was their starting price. Also not very efficient or great with cleaning, it seems they have improved with their Dipper.. But 150 is still overpriced in my opinion. NewVape seems cool with carrying items that appear to be China based. I think the Dipstick at less than 50 is decent, I wouldn't suggest people to spend more than 35 on it but I'm frugal and don't think people should pay too much for old, outdated tech.